Nice letter to the DVLA?

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jamiehamy

360 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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I recently got a letter fining me for failing to notify that i've sold a Golf. I sold it over 4 years ago and cannot remember anything about the guy I sold it too.

Anyway, as i couldn't remember, I was going to pay, until I realised that had I not notified the,, I'd have had reminder notices, and ultimately fines.

I phoned up and the person agreed, but I had to write it!

Wrote a letter stating that it simply could not be the case that I had failed to notify the DVLA as they had not sent any correspondence re: the car for 4 years.

I recieved the most relutant letter ever with babble and one sentence that was relevant ' we ackowledge your correspondence and will not proceed any further in this instance'

Anyway moral of the story? If you think you're right, there's a good chance you are with the DVLA!

In fairness I've had a few issues with the DVLA in the past, but concise and 'to the point' letters have resolved them .

I once got 4 fines for false declaration of SORN for the same car, in the same place, on 4 consecutive days when i was on holiday! I also got 4 fines from the traffic wardens. Returned home from holiday with 4 parking tickets, on on top of the other! IN fairness, I hadn't realised the bit of land was classed 'public) but got the 8 fines down to 2 smile

catso

14,771 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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I scrapped a car in 1984 but never notified the DVLA, it still shows up on the DVLA 'vehicle enquiry' as unlicensed but I have never heard anything from them...

davemac250

4,499 posts

204 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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If you stick with it, never give ground, do not disclose everything in your favour at the start and always ask more questions, I have found that the DVLA give up and go and pick on someone else.

Few years ago I exported three cars.

All the paperwork sent off together.

Not one vehicle dealt with correctly.

On one they had no record of receiving any paperwork, so I was lying.

Only when I cross referenced all the vehicles, provided proof of postage did they move onto that I should have phoned them to check.

From abroad? Yeah, of course I will.

Pointed out I had written to them, copy sent and they begrudgingly agreed they were wrong.

For one vehicle only!




PaulHogan

6,092 posts

277 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Red Devil said:
dandarez said:
PaulHogan said:
I'd be tempted to get £40 worth of mixed coins from the bank, mix it together in a biscuit tin and send it by recorded delivery.
Recorded Delivery is no good for valuables or money, won't get compensated. Have to use Special Delivery.
It would be worth it though!

Personally, I'd send 4,000 pennies.
Wonder what that would weigh?
Bet they'd refuse it... and then you'd get a nice spread of bad publicity for this rubbish government dept in one of the tabloids: DVLA refused to take my hard-earned cash!
As it's not legal tender for that amount, they might well do so.
And for the first time in many a long day they would be right! Who would have thought it.....
There was a reason I said mixed coins.

Wikipedia said:
In the United Kingdom, only coins valued 1 pound Sterling, 2 pounds, and 5 pounds Sterling are legal tender in unlimited amounts throughout the territory of the United Kingdom. In accordance with the Coinage Act 1971,[16] gold sovereigns are also legal tender for any amount. Although not specifically mentioned on them, the face values of gold coins are 50p, £1, £2 and £5, a mere fraction of their worth as bullion. The United Kingdom legislation that introduced the 1 pound coin left no United Kingdom-wide legal tender banknote.
Currently, 20 pence pieces and 50-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 10 pounds; 5-pence pieces and 10-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 5 pounds; and 1-penny pieces and 2-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 20 pence.
So,
20 x 1p
10 x 2p
100 x 5p
50 x 10p
20 x 50p
50 x 20p
9 x £1
1 x Cheque for 60p

Ding dong!

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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PaulHogan said:
Red Devil said:
dandarez said:
PaulHogan said:
I'd be tempted to get £40 worth of mixed coins from the bank, mix it together in a biscuit tin and send it by recorded delivery.
Recorded Delivery is no good for valuables or money, won't get compensated. Have to use Special Delivery.
It would be worth it though!

Personally, I'd send 4,000 pennies.
Wonder what that would weigh?
Bet they'd refuse it... and then you'd get a nice spread of bad publicity for this rubbish government dept in one of the tabloids: DVLA refused to take my hard-earned cash!
As it's not legal tender for that amount, they might well do so.
And for the first time in many a long day they would be right! Who would have thought it.....
There was a reason I said mixed coins.

Wikipedia said:
In the United Kingdom, only coins valued 1 pound Sterling, 2 pounds, and 5 pounds Sterling are legal tender in unlimited amounts throughout the territory of the United Kingdom. In accordance with the Coinage Act 1971,[16] gold sovereigns are also legal tender for any amount. Although not specifically mentioned on them, the face values of gold coins are 50p, £1, £2 and £5, a mere fraction of their worth as bullion. The United Kingdom legislation that introduced the 1 pound coin left no United Kingdom-wide legal tender banknote.
Currently, 20 pence pieces and 50-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 10 pounds; 5-pence pieces and 10-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 5 pounds; and 1-penny pieces and 2-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 20 pence.
So,
20 x 1p
10 x 2p
100 x 5p
50 x 10p
20 x 50p
50 x 20p
9 x £1
1 x Cheque for 60p

Ding dong!
Aproximate weight 1.2Kg postage first standard £8.23

Hmmmmmm. wink

Hedders

24,460 posts

246 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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hehe

streaky

19,311 posts

248 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Liquid Knight said:
PaulHogan said:
Red Devil said:
dandarez said:
PaulHogan said:
I'd be tempted to get £40 worth of mixed coins from the bank, mix it together in a biscuit tin and send it by recorded delivery.
Recorded Delivery is no good for valuables or money, won't get compensated. Have to use Special Delivery.
It would be worth it though!

Personally, I'd send 4,000 pennies.
Wonder what that would weigh?
Bet they'd refuse it... and then you'd get a nice spread of bad publicity for this rubbish government dept in one of the tabloids: DVLA refused to take my hard-earned cash!
As it's not legal tender for that amount, they might well do so.
And for the first time in many a long day they would be right! Who would have thought it.....
There was a reason I said mixed coins.

Wikipedia said:
In the United Kingdom, only coins valued 1 pound Sterling, 2 pounds, and 5 pounds Sterling are legal tender in unlimited amounts throughout the territory of the United Kingdom. In accordance with the Coinage Act 1971,[16] gold sovereigns are also legal tender for any amount. Although not specifically mentioned on them, the face values of gold coins are 50p, £1, £2 and £5, a mere fraction of their worth as bullion. The United Kingdom legislation that introduced the 1 pound coin left no United Kingdom-wide legal tender banknote.
Currently, 20 pence pieces and 50-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 10 pounds; 5-pence pieces and 10-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 5 pounds; and 1-penny pieces and 2-pence pieces are legal tender in amounts up to 20 pence.
So,
20 x 1p
10 x 2p
100 x 5p
50 x 10p
20 x 50p
50 x 20p
9 x £1
1 x Cheque for 60p

Ding dong!
Aproximate weight 1.2Kg postage first standard £8.23

Hmmmmmm. wink
You'll need to send it by Special Delivery, so £8.62 I believe - Streaky

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Thursday 26th August 2010
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Would be about ten Euro then. wink

Final draft as sent today. smile

I’m writing in reference to my alleged failure to make a SORN declaration to the DVLA for my MGB GT registration *** ***R in reply to a threatening letter I received from your office with the reference number “*** *******”.

I have been imposed a fine for failing to declare the vehicle as SORN despite the fact I sent the V5 registration document off to the DVLA when I disposed of the vehicle in full accordance to the law.

I personally refuse to accept blame and/or responsibility for the DVLA failing to file the paperwork correctly upon receipt or the Royal Mail for failing to deliver the document to the DVLA in the first place. I have personally done everything as required by the guidelines set out by the DVLA. I have committed no offence and therefore will not pay any kind of fine at all. As for the suggestion that it is up to me to pursue the DVLA if I have not received a “change of ownership” letter from them within four weeks of sending the V5 registration document off.

The judge presiding over the case of the DVLA vs. Mr Duncan Peck said “The DVLA have no statutory power requiring anyone to ring them or otherwise respond should they not receive an acknowledgment letter”.

There is no legal requirement to send letters and declarations to the D.V.L.A by recorded delivery, but from now on all correspondence I personally have between myself and the D.V.L.A will be done by this method. If the DVLA were to send letters and fine notifications by recorded delivery in the interest of data protection for example it would take a great deal more administration and cost substantially more in postal fees.

Just to sum up, I did everything that was legally required of me concerning the sending of the V5 registration document to the DVLA when I disposed of the vehicle. As there is no legal requirement of me to pursue the DVLA if they fail to send a notification letter I hope this will be the end of the matter.

Yours sincerely;

Me.

Let's see how it goes.

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Thursday 26th August 2010
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P.S In general Gassing I've started a thread called "DV-LA-la-la I'm not listening" revenge will be ours! hehe

streaky

19,311 posts

248 months

Thursday 26th August 2010
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Liquid Knight said:
P.S In general Gassing I've started a thread called "DV-LA-la-la I'm not listening" revenge will be ours! hehe
Have you started that yourself, personally? - Streaky

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Thursday 26th August 2010
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streaky said:
Liquid Knight said:
P.S In general Gassing I've started a thread called "DV-LA-la-la I'm not listening" revenge will be ours! hehe
Have you started that yourself, personally? - Streaky
I have added a footnote telling people not to break the law in any way so there shouldn't be any fallout in my direction. wink

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Saturday 28th August 2010
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Just making a note of where the next letter's going if the last one doesn't work. wink

Mr. Phillip Hammond MP
Secretary of State for Transport
The Palace of Westminster
London
SW1P 3PA


Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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Recieved a reply today....

"Although you have again indicated that you are no longer the keeper of the vehicle, the Department has not recieved notification of this (2). Although you have further stated that you personally notified DVLA of the disposal of the vehicle and therefore feel that you have fully complied with the law, as you are unable to provide an acknowledgement letter from DVLA Swansea that this was recieved you would still remain liable".

"Whilst the Acknowledgement Letter issued to conform Statutory Off Road Notification SORN) and disposal notifications is not in legislation, it has been designed to remove any uncertainty that may be expected by either the sender or the intended recipient as to whether a notification of SORN or disposal has actually been sent or recieved. The DVLA would be failing to correctly discharge its responsibilities if it disregarded the role this letter plays in Continuous Registration (CR) and the obligation placed on the individual to act in the case of non-receipt".

"However on the information before us you are still liable for the £80 penalty. Only payments recieved by 19 September 2010 are at the reduced rate of £40.00."

(highlighted in Bold in the letter)

This means war! furious

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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I'm going to take a few days to calm down before I write my reply.

Hedders

24,460 posts

246 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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They really do make it difficult don't they.

I am really starting to see the appeal of the pikey lifestyle in the UK.


Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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That's two letters to the DVLA a lot of people would give in now and I wonder how many would have gone this far. Out of the £10,000,000 the DVLA made last year out of fines how many of those were simply fraudulent and people paid because they caved in?




(I haven't calmed down yet)

chriscpritchard

284 posts

164 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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Liquid Knight said:
I'm going to take a few days to calm down before I write my reply.
start adding an admin fee onto each further letter you send :P

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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chriscpritchard said:
Liquid Knight said:
I'm going to take a few days to calm down before I write my reply.
start adding an admin fee onto each further letter you send :P
Pay the fine and take the DVLA to the small claims court? Then add all the admin and legal fee to it. Hmmmmmm wink

J5

2,449 posts

185 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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Liquid Knight said:
chriscpritchard said:
Liquid Knight said:
I'm going to take a few days to calm down before I write my reply.
start adding an admin fee onto each further letter you send :P
Pay the fine and take the DVLA to the small claims court? Then add all the admin and legal fee to it. Hmmmmmm wink
Why would you pay them and then fight for it back? You don't owe them anything.

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

182 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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J5 said:
Liquid Knight said:
chriscpritchard said:
Liquid Knight said:
I'm going to take a few days to calm down before I write my reply.
start adding an admin fee onto each further letter you send :P
Pay the fine and take the DVLA to the small claims court? Then add all the admin and legal fee to it. Hmmmmmm wink
Why would you pay them and then fight for it back? You don't owe them anything.
Exactly, but as far as the DVLA are concerned I'm guilty untill proven innocent and now I have presented them with evidence that I am innocent; as far as they are concerned I'm still guilty. No due process, no appeal, just pay up or else.


My "DV-LA-la-la I'm not listening" plan (see the thread in general gassing) is looking all the more appealing now. wink