plod catch speeding Elise and Ferrari
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nel said:
Didn't think that the drivers went OTT - just enjoying the acceleration of their cars a bit! 18 month ban story might be just that.
Video would have made me think twice about buying the Lotus though, even if I wanted one as tarted up as that. There was too much smoke when he floored it - burning a bit of oil I'd say.
Nel
my cleo could of taken both of them
Just watched this video. I agree with most of the comments, no dangerous or reckless driving. Looked like they may have gone over the limit a few times but not by a great deal. I think the plod were more surprised by the acceleration than anything else.
Do we know whether the ban of the Lotus driver was anything to do with this event?
Do we know whether the ban of the Lotus driver was anything to do with this event?
I'm really curios as to why a car fitted presumably with Vascar is unmarked. (By unmarked I assume this to mean no lights/sirens to turn on) - If he did have these to turn on what was the point of then requesting a traffic car to assist?
My downloaded version 'hung' just before 4 minutes so I didn't get to see how it ended - Was it just my copy or did everyone's abruptly hang?
My downloaded version 'hung' just before 4 minutes so I didn't get to see how it ended - Was it just my copy or did everyone's abruptly hang?
I would imagine the excuse for the Elisa was the taillight, and the Ferrari was the red light it sort-of jumped. Bit of fast acceleration, bit of speeding but nothing dangerous.
I too wasn't impressed with the f's at the start, almost sounded like they were playing up to the camera in order to put some dramatic context onto it so that, should it make it to court maybe, the prosection has got some commentary in there that makes it look oooo so dangerous. Or am I just being cynical
?!
Ah well, such is life when you live in t'smoke
I too wasn't impressed with the f's at the start, almost sounded like they were playing up to the camera in order to put some dramatic context onto it so that, should it make it to court maybe, the prosection has got some commentary in there that makes it look oooo so dangerous. Or am I just being cynical
?! Ah well, such is life when you live in t'smoke
only managed to watch the video this morning.
If the 18 month ban resulted from this sequence then i suggest that Luca remove all his PH videos off the net. This could have been anyone fo us just having a little play. No stupid or dangerous driving, just a bit of fun when conditions allowed. At the point when other road users were around both drivers behaved impeccably. So much so that the copper even says, "dont tell me they are going all sensible now"
Its called risk evaluation mate.
If the 18 month ban resulted from this sequence then i suggest that Luca remove all his PH videos off the net. This could have been anyone fo us just having a little play. No stupid or dangerous driving, just a bit of fun when conditions allowed. At the point when other road users were around both drivers behaved impeccably. So much so that the copper even says, "dont tell me they are going all sensible now"
Its called risk evaluation mate. docevi1 said:
did you hear him at the beginning as well "how old can he be"...
yeah. In other words "I'm jealous of that young bloke, lets follow him until we can pin something on him"
whats the chance the same thing would have happened if the 2 drivers were in a standard escort being followed by an astra. none. jealousy is an awful thing.
rospa said:
I'm really curios as to why a car fitted presumably with Vascar is unmarked. (By unmarked I assume this to mean no lights/sirens to turn on) - If he did have these to turn on what was the point of then requesting a traffic car to assist?
My downloaded version 'hung' just before 4 minutes so I didn't get to see how it ended - Was it just my copy or did everyone's abruptly hang?
Anyone?
rospa said:
I'm really curios as to why a car fitted presumably with Vascar is unmarked. (By unmarked I assume this to mean no lights/sirens to turn on) - If he did have these to turn on what was the point of then requesting a traffic car to assist?
Its easy really.
All of our unmarked Trafpol cars are fitted with Vascar/Police Pilot average speed calculators. Its the most important piece of kit in the car.Vehicles are also fitted with covert blues and two's as well as a 'kojak'light for the roof. You get to catch the real piss takers in their own back yard and if youre lucky then you will get good speed to boot!
As for asking for the assistance of a marked vehicle.....standard practice really.Its far better (in fact a necessity) to have a fully marked vehicle in on a pursuit (or potential pursuit), or in any other case when stopping a couple of vehicles. It reduces the excuses of the MOP that he didnt know it was a police vehicle. A lot of people try this excuse because they can.
tonyrec said:
I'm really curios as to why a car fitted presumably with Vascar is unmarked. (By unmarked I assume this to mean no lights/sirens to turn on) - If he did have these to turn on what was the point of then requesting a traffic car to assist?
Its easy really.
All of our unmarked Trafpol cars are fitted with Vascar/Police Pilot average speed calculators. Its the most important piece of kit in the car.Vehicles are also fitted with covert blues and two's as well as a 'kojak'light for the roof. You get to catch the real piss takers in their own back yard and if youre lucky then you will get good speed to boot!
As for asking for the assistance of a marked vehicle.....standard practice really.Its far better (in fact a necessity) to have a fully marked vehicle in on a pursuit (or potential pursuit), or in any other case when stopping a couple of vehicles. It reduces the excuses of the MOP that he didnt know it was a police vehicle. A lot of people try this excuse because they can.
Tony
Thanks for that. I got it into my head that they had VASCAR but not blues and two's which is madness to me. Thanks for the re-assurance that TPTB aren't totally stupid.
Don't think there was anything at all dangerous about the driving.... only the police who seem to think crossing over lanes at roundabouts is acceptable?!
As I have said before, these unmarked cars are
ing dangerous around city streets and busy roundabout junctions. Last week I was yet again caught up in the mele of drivers trying to get out of the way of a vehicle with a siren when nobody could identify it because they couldn't see the magnetic roof light.... Mondeo estate with roof bars (for added obscuring properties) and a people carrier of some sort..... rooflights so visible for drivers of normal cars let alone low slung sportscars!
As I have said before, these unmarked cars are
ing dangerous around city streets and busy roundabout junctions. Last week I was yet again caught up in the mele of drivers trying to get out of the way of a vehicle with a siren when nobody could identify it because they couldn't see the magnetic roof light.... Mondeo estate with roof bars (for added obscuring properties) and a people carrier of some sort..... rooflights so visible for drivers of normal cars let alone low slung sportscars!Some tima ago I got was being overtaken by an 'unmarked' chasing a motorcyclist. (Had spotted the unmarked earlier in a lay by) He goes for this very fast 'take on myself and the car in front on the approach to a right hand junction (a total and absolute no no in advanced driving terms). The car in front of me signals a right turn at the last moment, and the unmarked nearly wipes me out as he puts on all the anchors and cuts me up something chronic, in order to pull in.
A few miles down the road he caught the motorcyclist, who had stayed behind me and had not taken two overtake opportunities when there were right hand junctions. So plod nearly kills me and the missus in order to catch a biker who is riding/driving more safely than he is.
Saw the same unmarked pull a yellow Elise on the same stretch about a month later
>> Edited by Tootler on Saturday 24th April 23:05
A few miles down the road he caught the motorcyclist, who had stayed behind me and had not taken two overtake opportunities when there were right hand junctions. So plod nearly kills me and the missus in order to catch a biker who is riding/driving more safely than he is.
Saw the same unmarked pull a yellow Elise on the same stretch about a month later
>> Edited by Tootler on Saturday 24th April 23:05
there were only 2 scary bits on that video
a) it starts about 200m from my Appt.
b) The
driving thru those reds, overtaking in hatched areas and disgusting lane discipline, all the time without displaying any external warnings (No Blues / twos) to alert the general public to his potentially dangerous driving style.
His comments are what REALLY annoy me.
The cars were obviously only targeted due to their type, and more specifically the 348 owners age.
They then pursue the drivers, without identifying themselves, hoping to get incriminating evidence on tape, instead of simply making themselves known after the first 'incident' and having a chat! Wouldn't that be much better for safety?
At one point you hear the cop willing them on..
"Oh Come on, don't tell me they've gone all sensible on us."
This is exactly the type of behaviour of a certain type of that fosters a resentment and loss of respect, with the 'general public'.
Not only are we now targeted as motorists, but it seems even more so as enthusiasts.. and worse again as a 'younger' driver.
It all hits far to close to home for me, those are the same roads I drive, as a 'younger enthusiast' that could just of easily have been me 'driving as recklessly' as those two 'dangers to society'
Were they speeding.. yes. Were they a danger to themselves... possibly.. were they putting the public is anywhere near the danger the unmarked car was, NO WAY.
I have no objections to tugging the driver(s) and having a nice word, about how maybe this isn't the place for it lads....
But it REALLY
me when the plod follow them, 'just to see' if they can get some better dirt.
Its like the guy who was done for dangerous driving, after being 'FOLLOWED' for 4 miles..
If it was that Dangerous, tug him at the start.
</rant>
I am sure the on here will have some comments to make..
Don't get me wrong, I KNOW not all are like those two, BUT... alas, Alot are.. and whats sickening, is its THOSE who are thriving, in the current Anti-Motorist society New Labia is trying to thrust onto us.
a) it starts about 200m from my Appt.
b) The
driving thru those reds, overtaking in hatched areas and disgusting lane discipline, all the time without displaying any external warnings (No Blues / twos) to alert the general public to his potentially dangerous driving style. His comments are what REALLY annoy me.
The cars were obviously only targeted due to their type, and more specifically the 348 owners age.
They then pursue the drivers, without identifying themselves, hoping to get incriminating evidence on tape, instead of simply making themselves known after the first 'incident' and having a chat! Wouldn't that be much better for safety?
At one point you hear the cop willing them on..
"Oh Come on, don't tell me they've gone all sensible on us."
This is exactly the type of behaviour of a certain type of
that fosters a resentment and loss of respect, with the 'general public'. Not only are we now targeted as motorists, but it seems even more so as enthusiasts.. and worse again as a 'younger' driver.
It all hits far to close to home for me, those are the same roads I drive, as a 'younger enthusiast' that could just of easily have been me 'driving as recklessly' as those two 'dangers to society'
Were they speeding.. yes. Were they a danger to themselves... possibly.. were they putting the public is anywhere near the danger the unmarked
car was, NO WAY. I have no objections to
tugging the driver(s) and having a nice word, about how maybe this isn't the place for it lads.... But it REALLY
me when the plod follow them, 'just to see' if they can get some better dirt. Its like the guy who was done for dangerous driving, after being 'FOLLOWED' for 4 miles..
If it was that Dangerous, tug him at the start.
</rant>
I am sure the
on here will have some comments to make.. Don't get me wrong, I KNOW not all
are like those two, BUT... alas, Alot are.. and whats sickening, is its THOSE who are thriving, in the current Anti-Motorist society New Labia is trying to thrust onto us. Tootler said:
Some tima ago I got was being overtaken by an 'unmarked' chasing a motorcyclist. (Had spotted the unmarked earlier in a lay by) He goes for this very fast 'take on myself and the car in front on the approach to a right hand junction (a total and absolute no no in advanced driving terms). The car in front of me signals a right turn at the last moment, and the unmarked nearly wipes me out as he puts on all the anchors and cuts me up something chronic, in order to pull in.
A few miles down the road he caught the motorcyclist, who had stayed behind me and had not taken two overtake opportunities when there were right hand junctions. So plod nearly kills me and the missus in order to catch a biker who is riding/driving more safely than he is.
Saw the same unmarked pull a yellow Elise on the same stretch about a month later
>> Edited by Tootler on Saturday 24th April 23:05
Tootler
I agree with some of your comments. I don't think unmarked should be tasked with speed enforcement to be honest and they should not be asked to respond to incidents that will require them to cut throught traffic with their limited blues and twos.
I would like to see them deployed on busy motorway and A/B roads where they can see an offence and immediately stop the car to give advice/FPN/summons.
I think there is something distinctly fishy out holdnig back to see how a situation develops before pulling cars over.
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