Everyone cutting back we are all in this together

[justin220]

That looks pretty cool!

[bob parr]

streaky said:

Given this other perspective (lifted from the closed thread):



I do wonder whether this was a sensible location for publicity photographs.

Streaky

I thought that too, stopping unnecessarily on the hard shoulder?

[Elroy Blue]

bob parr said:

streaky said:

Given this other perspective (lifted from the closed thread):



I do wonder whether this was a sensible location for publicity photographs.

Streaky

I thought that too, stopping unnecessarily on the hard shoulder?

It's not on the hard shoulder!

[Derek Smith]

Dizeee said:

Engineer1 said:

As an interceptor type vehicle it is brilliant, and couldn't be any more efficient

Yes, of course... It is obviously a real police car as it has all the space to carry cones, signs, road lights, first aid kit, stinger, shovel, broom and blankets, as well as a shed load of extra batteries to power all the computers that run ANPR, PNC and local CAD dissemination. The two seats in the back are also ideal for carrying the two enourmous kit bags that each officer will have with them, as well as transporting prisoners. In fact you can see the two ANPR camera's clearly mounted on the roof of the Lotus.

Yes, couldn't be more efficient.

And:

Starfighter said:

Lordglenmorangie said:

I spotted this on the M42 / M5 junction on Wednesday afernoon. I spent the rest of the trip wondering how much kit could be stored on board.

How much 'kit' do you imagine motorcycles carry? Further, on-costs of motorcycles are tremendous and there are so many restrictions on their use that they are not cost effective in the main. This car does everything a bike should apart from fall over when stopped.

You don't get universal police vehicles. If you did then I feel sure there would be a queue for them. Sometimes you need to carry a PSU, and PSU kit. Sometimes you have single crewed vehicles. In my day some police vehicles were not to be used for carrying prisoners despite having four seats.

Most police vehicle do not carry cones, signs, road lights, first aid kit, stinger, shovel, broom and blankets, nor do they have a shed load of extra batteries to power all the computers that run ANPR, PNC and local CAD dissemination.

As a publicity exercise it has shown how useful it was. The fact that the Wail got it all wrong should not surprise anyone with any sense, although why anyone with any sense would read the Wail beats me.

Such on-loan vehicles have proved themselves as useful in the past, especially for PR and as a trigger for chatting to youngsters. The costs are generally low as the car is supplied foc, serviced and, in cases in my force, come fully liveried and with radios.

I remember a big Vauxhall used for the lead vehicle for the Tour de France when it came over here in the early 90s. Loads of local cruiser types wandered up for a chat.

[172ff]

AJS- said:

Wow a police Lotus? That makes a life of crime easy - you just keep going for 5 miles and they will almost certainly break down, overheat, fall to bits or catch fire, and you can drive off into the sunset!

Aye. Good old k series. Head gaskets morning, noon and night.

[60]

carl carlson said:

A lotus as a cop car. Thats original?





Or perhaps not.

On a side note. Do those tyres look bald?

Edited by carl carlson on Friday 14th January 13:56

I'd say this sort of tread pattern and rotating quickly making them look bald.

[308mate]

Derek Smith said:

Dizeee said:

Engineer1 said:

As an interceptor type vehicle it is brilliant, and couldn't be any more efficient

Yes, of course... It is obviously a real police car as it has all the space to carry cones, signs, road lights, first aid kit, stinger, shovel, broom and blankets, as well as a shed load of extra batteries to power all the computers that run ANPR, PNC and local CAD dissemination. The two seats in the back are also ideal for carrying the two enourmous kit bags that each officer will have with them, as well as transporting prisoners. In fact you can see the two ANPR camera's clearly mounted on the roof of the Lotus.

Yes, couldn't be more efficient.

And:

Starfighter said:

Lordglenmorangie said:

I spotted this on the M42 / M5 junction on Wednesday afernoon. I spent the rest of the trip wondering how much kit could be stored on board.

How much 'kit' do you imagine motorcycles carry? Further, on-costs of motorcycles are tremendous and there are so many restrictions on their use that they are not cost effective in the main. This car does everything a bike should apart from fall over when stopped.

You don't get universal police vehicles. If you did then I feel sure there would be a queue for them. Sometimes you need to carry a PSU, and PSU kit. Sometimes you have single crewed vehicles. In my day some police vehicles were not to be used for carrying prisoners despite having four seats.

Most police vehicle do not carry cones, signs, road lights, first aid kit, stinger, shovel, broom and blankets, nor do they have a shed load of extra batteries to power all the computers that run ANPR, PNC and local CAD dissemination.

As a publicity exercise it has shown how useful it was. The fact that the Wail got it all wrong should not surprise anyone with any sense, although why anyone with any sense would read the Wail beats me.

Such on-loan vehicles have proved themselves as useful in the past, especially for PR and as a trigger for chatting to youngsters. The costs are generally low as the car is supplied foc, serviced and, in cases in my force, come fully liveried and with radios.

I remember a big Vauxhall used for the lead vehicle for the Tour de France when it came over here in the early 90s. Loads of local cruiser types wandered up for a chat.

Whilst I would point the motorcycle's advantage in traffic (you can't be a met traffic officer without a bike licence as it's the most efficient way of getting around), here ^^^ speaketh some sense.

[Johnnytheboy]

60 said:

I'd say this sort of tread pattern and rotating quickly making them look bald.

Maybe I should tell people I'm not bald, it's the speed the tread pattern's rotating at!

[spaximus]

As others have said it is the perception that is wrong here. I have had people who know I am an enthusiast telling me about this. They have missed the on loan bit and just see it as an expensive jolly toy for the boys in blue.

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Perception is all that seems to matter these days.

Perception that could have been headed off by a better written article. No sensationalism in reality.

If the headline read- POLICE SAVE MONEY BY USING LOAN CAR. This would not have had any legs

[streaky]

Johnnytheboy said:

60 said:

I'd say this sort of tread pattern and rotating quickly making them look bald.

Maybe I should tell people I'm not bald, it's the speed the tread pattern's rotating at!

EFA - Streaky

[FishFace]

streaky said:

TPS said:

Lordglenmorangie said:

Knock_knock said:

Yes, it's a loan being donated by Lotus for two weeks. At no cost to the tax payer.

It's the wrong message regardless of cost to the tax payer .Making derogatory remarks against people that have an opposing view to yourself is not that bright either.

Why is it the wrong message.
It is free to use and will not cost anything in maintance.They can use it,rack up a load of miles in it and hand it back all free.

The vast majority of passing drivers will assume that the police force in question has puurchased the vehicle. That's what makes the message wrong, especially in these times of austerity.

Remember - perception is reality.

Streaky

Edited by streaky on Friday 14th January 20:01

The police (last Government's fault) caring too much about perception is one of its current greatest flaws. People are already too stupid to consider the tender process with normal police BMWs etc so they have little chance in thinking ever-so-slightly out of the box with something like them.

[The Wookie]

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Perception is all that seems to matter these days.

Perception that could have been headed off by a better written article. No sensationalism in reality.

If the headline read- POLICE SAVE MONEY BY USING LOAN CAR. This would not have had any legs

Journalist in 'misleading article to provoke reaction' shocker.

[Lucas North]

Knock_knock said:

As a continuation of my last thought, it has been mentioned lately that as part of the planning permission process for a new superstore, Tesco agreed to pay for the construction of a new Police station and associated road improvements etc.

I believe the figure quoted was a £7million station. I imagine that there would be some sort of leaseback arrangement with the force in question, but it would still represent an extremely good deal for the Police (and presumably Tesco!).

In the spirit of austerity and sending the right messages, should this offer, and offers like it, not be accepted?

KK

Edited by Knock_knock on Friday 14th January 13:02

The big supermarkets (especially Tesco) are very good at paying big bills for improvements to local roads and facilities, as a sweetener for being allowed to do their developments.

[mph1977]

Lucas North said:

Knock_knock said:

As a continuation of my last thought, it has been mentioned lately that as part of the planning permission process for a new superstore, Tesco agreed to pay for the construction of a new Police station and associated road improvements etc.

I believe the figure quoted was a £7million station. I imagine that there would be some sort of leaseback arrangement with the force in question, but it would still represent an extremely good deal for the Police (and presumably Tesco!).

In the spirit of austerity and sending the right messages, should this offer, and offers like it, not be accepted?

KK

The big supermarkets (especially Tesco) are very good at paying big bills for improvements to local roads and facilities, as a sweetener for being allowed to do their developments.

2 of the last 3 new buildings for the St John Ambulance county i volunteer with were built by Supermarkets as sweeteners to build new stores that required the purchase of the previous building... the third was funded by selling a converted and extensive big house in a leafy suburb and relocating to a more central brownfield site in a purpose built and therefore DDA compliant building ...

Edited by mph1977 on Tuesday 18th January 23:46

[Mojocvh]

g3org3y said:

I wonder what the Italian equivalent of the Daily Mail made of this:


I suspect there wasn't one single letter of complaint. Ludicrous, impractical but absolutely cool.

Unfortunately...

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