Van Speed limit ?

[Fish981]

saaby93 said:

k I'll ask
So where 70 is posted as above are the van speed limits 70 or do they still go with the NSL list

From the Highway Code

124

You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table above).

[davemac250]

So where do van derived cars sit then?........

[saaby93]

Fish981 said:

From the Highway Code
124
You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table above).

ok so the vehicle speeds don't vary with speed limit even for special roads
Why is it that when you hire a van and ask about speed limits they say theyre the same as for a car? Any commission on passing through tickets?

[Fish981]

saaby93 said:

Fish981 said:

From the Highway Code
124
You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table above).

ok so the vehicle speeds don't vary with speed limit even for special roads
Why is it that when you hire a van and ask about speed limits they say theyre the same as for a car? Any commission on passing through tickets?

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence"

[SS2.]

davemac250 said:

So where do van derived cars sit then?........

As in a passenger vehicle ?

[Gwaredd]

A quirk in this law states that if a window is fitted in the side of the van aft of the drivers seat then it is classed as a minibus & therefore not bound by the lower limit. This is why Police vans will be doing 70mph instead of 60 as they are fitted with a window aft of the driver.

However, this means that a minibus full of rugby players & their heavy kit bags can do 70mph on a dual carriageway, whereas an unladen SWB Transit Connect has to stick to 60mph.

Hands up who knows which one will be able to stop quicker?

[saaby93]

Gwaredd said:

A quirk in this law states that if a window is fitted in the side of the van aft of the drivers seat then it is classed as a minibus & therefore not bound by the lower limit. This is why Police vans will be doing 70mph instead of 60 as they are fitted with a window aft of the driver.

Happens over here at toll bridges too

[JonnyFive]

SS2. said:

davemac250 said:

So where do van derived cars sit then?........

As in a passenger vehicle ?

So what about one of these;



And one of these;



Van speed limits? Its not a van..

[Chris993C4]

Gwaredd said:

A quirk in this law states that if a window is fitted in the side of the van aft of the drivers seat then it is classed as a minibus & therefore not bound by the lower limit.

Hence why Mk4 Escort vans have an otherwise pointless 2" window behind the B-pillar

[Gwaredd]

Chris993C4 said:

Hence why Mk4 Escort vans have an otherwise pointless 2" window behind the B-pillar

No, as it's car derived

[jesta1865]

come to essex the lower limit for most vans seems to be about 80 irrespective of the law

i regularly get over taken by vans on the a130 either end of the day, even if i an doing a steady 70.

we has special rules for ours van drivers bliviously!

[Gwaredd]

JonnyFive said:

So what about one of these;



And one of these;



Van speed limits? Its not a van..

You have to ask yourself what car is it derived from? If the answer is none, then it's a van not a car derived van.

Agreed that it is a grey area though. A Vauxhall Combo van is clearly a Corsa, a Caddy a Golf etc etc. The Transit Connect is clearly not either a Fiesta or Focus, although the floorpan etc almost certainly is.

I think you have to take it on face value & if the front end doesn't look like any car you recognise (see Dispatch above) then drive it at the lower limits.

[saaby93]

What is a Berlingo?
Was it designed as a car or a van first?

[Gwaredd]

saaby93 said:

What is a Berlingo?

Old one - ZX/306

New one - Citroen C4

[jhfozzy]

It's not really about the car-derived bit, the limit is 2000kg gross weight as shown on the VIN plate.

If a "goods vehicle" gross weight is 2000kg or under, it goes by the car speed limits, if it's over 2000kg [2001kg and above] then it's bound by the lower limits.

If it's got windows behind the drivers seat, it's a passenger vehicle, not goods.

[SS2.]

jhfozzy said:

If a "goods vehicle" gross weight is 2000kg or under, it goes by the car speed limits..

Only if it is car derived.

[Gwaredd]

jhfozzy said:

It's not really about the car-derived bit, the limit is 2000kg gross weight as shown on the VIN plate.

If a "goods vehicle" gross weight is 2000kg or under, it goes by the car speed limits, if it's over 2000kg [2001kg and above] then it's bound by the lower limits.

If it's got windows behind the drivers seat, it's a passenger vehicle, not goods.

It seems you are correct on this;

"Car speed limits only apply to car derived vans with a Maximum Authorised Mass of under 2000kg."

So if you drive a new shape Caddy van, even though it's car derived, you're bound by the lower limits as the GVW is over 2000 Kgs.

Sneaky & backwards!

[simoid]

jhfozzy said:

If a "goods vehicle" gross weight is 2000kg or under, it goes by the car speed limits, if it's over 2000kg [2001kg and above] then it's bound by the lower limits.

And therefore you can go as fast as you like in a vehicle of between 2000 and 2001 kg

[davemac250]

SS2. said:

davemac250 said:

So where do van derived cars sit then?........

As in a passenger vehicle ?

I know the answer.

I threw it up to highlight the flaws in the legislation and the respective limits imposed on vehicles, in what seems, an arbitary manner.

Another case of a law that needs bringing up to date with modern vehicles and their respective abilities?

Seems this was written with a Commer van in mind!

[simoid]

davemac250 said:

SS2. said:

davemac250 said:

So where do van derived cars sit then?........

As in a passenger vehicle ?

I know the answer.

I threw it up to highlight the flaws in the legislation and the respective limits imposed on vehicles, in what seems, an arbitary manner.

Another case of a law that needs bringing up to date with modern vehicles and their respective abilities?

Seems this was written with a Commer van in mind!

Shirley a car derived from a van is a car!?