Nasty attack on female motorist by cyclist.
Discussion
Zoobeef said:
If he felt threatened from the car then as she had stopped and got out there was no longer a threat from the car and therefore has nothing to protect himself from.
If he felt threatened from the woman they would question why he didnt walk/run/cycle away as that is always the recommended option if not backed into a corner
I have been in this situation before as a kid, a car driver mounted the kerb blocking the route ahead and got out to abuse me and my friend for riding side by side (aka highway code style). You can't turn a bike on a sixpence and go, the time taken in dismounting, turning the bike, remounting and getting going gives more than enough time for a person to launch an attack if thats their intention. If he felt threatened from the woman they would question why he didnt walk/run/cycle away as that is always the recommended option if not backed into a corner
Besides, even if the opportunity was there the self defence argument still allows for imperfect decision making
Pothole said:
The descriptions of the parties are:
Woman: "A woman" "the 29-year-old"
Man: "white, between 30 to 35 years old, and of athletic build."
She could be 5' 10" and built like Tessa Sanderson for all we know.
That may well be the case - but an "athletic man" of 30 to 35 would still easily outpower Tessa Sanderson - javelin or no javelin Woman: "A woman" "the 29-year-old"
Man: "white, between 30 to 35 years old, and of athletic build."
She could be 5' 10" and built like Tessa Sanderson for all we know.
JJ
F i F said:
Sheesh what is PH coming to, 6 pages in and no reference to the In Bruges restaurant scene.
You mean this one?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8Jw-VYflY
JJ
Pothole said:
Might not have been that hard, not that I advocate punching women.
This concerns me: "the woman thought she had collided with him and pulled over"
If she couldn't even tell whether she'd hit him or not, perhaps her car should be checked for evidence of other hit and runs...
Surely that she pulled over meant there was no 'run'?This concerns me: "the woman thought she had collided with him and pulled over"
If she couldn't even tell whether she'd hit him or not, perhaps her car should be checked for evidence of other hit and runs...
Accidents do happen and, if you're involved in one either as victim or the at fault party then what should one do? Pretty sure that t
tting the other person isn't the correct answer.A few general points:
You can never be sure how much to believe of what you read in news reports and there is very often important information left out (deliberately or otherwise).
Unless you have cycled through urban rush-hour you have no concept of just how little consideration is given to somebody riding a bike by a lot of people who drive cars.
The level of aggression in a lot of people driving cars is also very high with what appears to be an "I'm alright, Jack" mentality towards other road users. Obviously, if you are on a bicycle you haven't got a lot of engine power and you've certainly very little protection around you so it can be quite intimidating and dangerous. I have been hit and knocked off numerous times and I really don't enjoy riding on the roads any more.
Although there are examples of both genders doing these things, in my experience, women driving cars are more likely to pull out of a side road in front of a bike, or to try to squeeze past a bike where there is no room or no need (when approaching a red light for example).
You can never be sure how much to believe of what you read in news reports and there is very often important information left out (deliberately or otherwise).
Unless you have cycled through urban rush-hour you have no concept of just how little consideration is given to somebody riding a bike by a lot of people who drive cars.
The level of aggression in a lot of people driving cars is also very high with what appears to be an "I'm alright, Jack" mentality towards other road users. Obviously, if you are on a bicycle you haven't got a lot of engine power and you've certainly very little protection around you so it can be quite intimidating and dangerous. I have been hit and knocked off numerous times and I really don't enjoy riding on the roads any more.
Although there are examples of both genders doing these things, in my experience, women driving cars are more likely to pull out of a side road in front of a bike, or to try to squeeze past a bike where there is no room or no need (when approaching a red light for example).
It is never justified hitting someone - unless in obvious self-defence - whether you're a driver, a cyclist, a pedestrian, whatever.
It just isn't.
It doesn't matter if you think cyclists are hard done by, or cyclists get to do what they like because they don't have registration numbers, or pedestrians just walk out in front of cars these days or whatever: no road user group is so persecuted that punching people is an acceptable reaction to the actions of others.
It just isn't.
It doesn't matter if you think cyclists are hard done by, or cyclists get to do what they like because they don't have registration numbers, or pedestrians just walk out in front of cars these days or whatever: no road user group is so persecuted that punching people is an acceptable reaction to the actions of others.
mybrainhurts said:
Meoricin said:
Why is it relevant that he happened to be cycling before the assault? Trying to stir up arguments by creating these 'opposing groups' such as motorists/cyclists/bikers is pathetic. People are people, their mode of transport doesn't define their character.
Why do you want to hide his bicycling status..?Presumably you don't want it known that she was driving a Golf..?
Don't think the report would work if you did that...
Unless people think that (despite the title) the purpose of the thread was to find witnesses?
Mill Wheel said:
flemke said:
Because the scenario described by one party, whilst possible, seems unlikely:
- Not sure if my car may have brushed him,
- stopped to say, "Sorry if my car brushed you",
- so he beat the crap out of me.
Maybe that really is what happened, but it would help to hear the cyclist's version of the incident.
It would help if he hadn't cycled off after striking the woman!- Not sure if my car may have brushed him,
- stopped to say, "Sorry if my car brushed you",
- so he beat the crap out of me.
Maybe that really is what happened, but it would help to hear the cyclist's version of the incident.
As I wrote above, AIUI the only facts established are that there is a 29 year-old woman in Edinburgh with a perforated ear-drum. That's it. We don't know when she got it, where she got it, or how she got it.
If there was a cyclist involved, and he hit her because he was defending himself, she being the one with the nearby 1300 kg motor-powered automobile, he being the one with the nearby 8 kg foot-powered pushbike, it may have been entirely reasonable for him to flee.
I'm not saying that that is what happened, and I am not in any way, shape, or form defending a man hitting a woman apart from in extremis. What I am saying is that the BBC report depicts one version only of events, and that version, in itself, is hard to believe literally.
seagrey said:
I wasn`t going to post on this,but I`ve had much beer today and my sense of morality is in limp mode.
I believe my youngest sister is related through marriage to this woman,never met that side of her family before so can only go on what Ive heard mentioned over the years at weddings etc.and taken a bit away for the chinese whispers.
What I`m left with is the picture not of someone who would stop to see if you were hurt,rather of one who would have been giving you some coarse abuse from the off and probably ready to lash out,she has a knife scar to the cheek from a previous fight at a night club and she is from edinburgh which isn`t reknowned for shrinking violets either.
some people just seem to attract trouble,or is it their attitude?
I`m not condoning violence towards any one,(I`m a
) but this guy was probably st scared and lashed out,who knows? bearing in mind he`s wearing purple tights for a start and atheletic build usually means tall and thin but muscular. sounds like hes a faggot and probably slapped her,the rsulting air displacement from the open palm bursts the eardrum,much like loud over ear headphones.
As an aside and a little eye opener.
My eldest sister as a child had an undiagnosed kidney problem which gave her high blood pressure,made her very unstable and resulted in her being expelled from school after school.
mainly for violence towards other pupils and the odd staff,ok you think thats reasonably normal for some kids but my sister is about 6`2" and eighteen stone of tomboy and was a big handful even as a kid.
On this particular day,I was about 13 at the time day She had me pinned to the floor beating me relentlessly,I could feel my self almost blacking out from her being on my chest so I stabbed her in the calf with my small pen knife just to stop her,it just made her worse andif it wasnt for my neighbours son saving me I dont know where it would have ended.
She later got married to an RAF technitian who had epillepsy so had been retired early and he seemed to calm her down.
On the anniversary of his fathers death he came home drunk and she shouted,he raised his hand and when telling me the story later he said at that moment he knew he had fked up.
the resulting mess ended with her in high point prison for 6 months him in Southend hospital with broken eye sockets,a smashed hand, all four metacarpels were crushed like matches just from a squeeeze of the hand,which looked like a rubber glove blown up.
His ribs were cracked,hed got a dislocated toe and had various other cuts and bruises.
He was almost her equal in size with military training,didn`t do him any good at all.
further more she has attacked and hospitalised other people in her life.
Not randon attacks just people who hve pissed her off.
one episode involved a suicide attempt and she ended up being locked in an empty room in the hospital by the security guys whos she had assaulted,one quite badly and by two young plod.
who were rightly too scared to go in and detain her until others arrived to assist,thankfully our mother arrived in time and talked some sense into her,she left quietly and been sent to prison more than once and a phsyciactric unit for her sins.
she`s 45 now and has changed,calmed mainly through ill health but she will take no st even now.
I suppose if there is a moral to this story its would be dont assume that because its a woman its the weaker sex,some women are more than a match for most men.
Kudos to you, sir.I believe my youngest sister is related through marriage to this woman,never met that side of her family before so can only go on what Ive heard mentioned over the years at weddings etc.and taken a bit away for the chinese whispers.
What I`m left with is the picture not of someone who would stop to see if you were hurt,rather of one who would have been giving you some coarse abuse from the off and probably ready to lash out,she has a knife scar to the cheek from a previous fight at a night club and she is from edinburgh which isn`t reknowned for shrinking violets either.
some people just seem to attract trouble,or is it their attitude?
I`m not condoning violence towards any one,(I`m a
) but this guy was probably st scared and lashed out,who knows? bearing in mind he`s wearing purple tights for a start and atheletic build usually means tall and thin but muscular. sounds like hes a faggot and probably slapped her,the rsulting air displacement from the open palm bursts the eardrum,much like loud over ear headphones.As an aside and a little eye opener.
My eldest sister as a child had an undiagnosed kidney problem which gave her high blood pressure,made her very unstable and resulted in her being expelled from school after school.
mainly for violence towards other pupils and the odd staff,ok you think thats reasonably normal for some kids but my sister is about 6`2" and eighteen stone of tomboy and was a big handful even as a kid.
On this particular day,I was about 13 at the time day She had me pinned to the floor beating me relentlessly,I could feel my self almost blacking out from her being on my chest so I stabbed her in the calf with my small pen knife just to stop her,it just made her worse andif it wasnt for my neighbours son saving me I dont know where it would have ended.
She later got married to an RAF technitian who had epillepsy so had been retired early and he seemed to calm her down.
On the anniversary of his fathers death he came home drunk and she shouted,he raised his hand and when telling me the story later he said at that moment he knew he had f
ked up.the resulting mess ended with her in high point prison for 6 months him in Southend hospital with broken eye sockets,a smashed hand, all four metacarpels were crushed like matches just from a squeeeze of the hand,which looked like a rubber glove blown up.
His ribs were cracked,hed got a dislocated toe and had various other cuts and bruises.
He was almost her equal in size with military training,didn`t do him any good at all.
further more she has attacked and hospitalised other people in her life.
Not randon attacks just people who hve pissed her off.
one episode involved a suicide attempt and she ended up being locked in an empty room in the hospital by the security guys whos she had assaulted,one quite badly and by two young plod.
who were rightly too scared to go in and detain her until others arrived to assist,thankfully our mother arrived in time and talked some sense into her,she left quietly and been sent to prison more than once and a phsyciactric unit for her sins.
she`s 45 now and has changed,calmed mainly through ill health but she will take no s
t even now.I suppose if there is a moral to this story its would be dont assume that because its a woman its the weaker sex,some women are more than a match for most men.
This is one of the best posts ever to be on Pistonheads.
flemke said:
seagrey said:
I wasn`t going to post on this,but I`ve had much beer today and my sense of morality is in limp mode.
I believe my youngest sister is related through marriage to this woman,never met that side of her family before so can only go on what Ive heard mentioned over the years at weddings etc.and taken a bit away for the chinese whispers.
What I`m left with is the picture not of someone who would stop to see if you were hurt,rather of one who would have been giving you some coarse abuse from the off and probably ready to lash out,she has a knife scar to the cheek from a previous fight at a night club and she is from edinburgh which isn`t reknowned for shrinking violets either.
some people just seem to attract trouble,or is it their attitude?
I`m not condoning violence towards any one,(I`m a) but this guy was probably st scared and lashed out,who knows? bearing in mind he`s wearing purple tights for a start and atheletic build usually means tall and thin but muscular. sounds like hes a faggot and probably slapped her,the rsulting air displacement from the open palm bursts the eardrum,much like loud over ear headphones.
As an aside and a little eye opener.
My eldest sister as a child had an undiagnosed kidney problem which gave her high blood pressure,made her very unstable and resulted in her being expelled from school after school.
mainly for violence towards other pupils and the odd staff,ok you think thats reasonably normal for some kids but my sister is about 6`2" and eighteen stone of tomboy and was a big handful even as a kid.
On this particular day,I was about 13 at the time day She had me pinned to the floor beating me relentlessly,I could feel my self almost blacking out from her being on my chest so I stabbed her in the calf with my small pen knife just to stop her,it just made her worse andif it wasnt for my neighbours son saving me I dont know where it would have ended.
She later got married to an RAF technitian who had epillepsy so had been retired early and he seemed to calm her down.
On the anniversary of his fathers death he came home drunk and she shouted,he raised his hand and when telling me the story later he said at that moment he knew he had fked up.
the resulting mess ended with her in high point prison for 6 months him in Southend hospital with broken eye sockets,a smashed hand, all four metacarpels were crushed like matches just from a squeeeze of the hand,which looked like a rubber glove blown up.
His ribs were cracked,hed got a dislocated toe and had various other cuts and bruises.
He was almost her equal in size with military training,didn`t do him any good at all.
further more she has attacked and hospitalised other people in her life.
Not randon attacks just people who hve pissed her off.
one episode involved a suicide attempt and she ended up being locked in an empty room in the hospital by the security guys whos she had assaulted,one quite badly and by two young plod.
who were rightly too scared to go in and detain her until others arrived to assist,thankfully our mother arrived in time and talked some sense into her,she left quietly and been sent to prison more than once and a phsyciactric unit for her sins.
she`s 45 now and has changed,calmed mainly through ill health but she will take no st even now.
I suppose if there is a moral to this story its would be dont assume that because its a woman its the weaker sex,some women are more than a match for most men.
Kudos to you, sir.I believe my youngest sister is related through marriage to this woman,never met that side of her family before so can only go on what Ive heard mentioned over the years at weddings etc.and taken a bit away for the chinese whispers.
What I`m left with is the picture not of someone who would stop to see if you were hurt,rather of one who would have been giving you some coarse abuse from the off and probably ready to lash out,she has a knife scar to the cheek from a previous fight at a night club and she is from edinburgh which isn`t reknowned for shrinking violets either.
some people just seem to attract trouble,or is it their attitude?
I`m not condoning violence towards any one,(I`m a
) but this guy was probably st scared and lashed out,who knows? bearing in mind he`s wearing purple tights for a start and atheletic build usually means tall and thin but muscular. sounds like hes a faggot and probably slapped her,the rsulting air displacement from the open palm bursts the eardrum,much like loud over ear headphones.As an aside and a little eye opener.
My eldest sister as a child had an undiagnosed kidney problem which gave her high blood pressure,made her very unstable and resulted in her being expelled from school after school.
mainly for violence towards other pupils and the odd staff,ok you think thats reasonably normal for some kids but my sister is about 6`2" and eighteen stone of tomboy and was a big handful even as a kid.
On this particular day,I was about 13 at the time day She had me pinned to the floor beating me relentlessly,I could feel my self almost blacking out from her being on my chest so I stabbed her in the calf with my small pen knife just to stop her,it just made her worse andif it wasnt for my neighbours son saving me I dont know where it would have ended.
She later got married to an RAF technitian who had epillepsy so had been retired early and he seemed to calm her down.
On the anniversary of his fathers death he came home drunk and she shouted,he raised his hand and when telling me the story later he said at that moment he knew he had f
ked up.the resulting mess ended with her in high point prison for 6 months him in Southend hospital with broken eye sockets,a smashed hand, all four metacarpels were crushed like matches just from a squeeeze of the hand,which looked like a rubber glove blown up.
His ribs were cracked,hed got a dislocated toe and had various other cuts and bruises.
He was almost her equal in size with military training,didn`t do him any good at all.
further more she has attacked and hospitalised other people in her life.
Not randon attacks just people who hve pissed her off.
one episode involved a suicide attempt and she ended up being locked in an empty room in the hospital by the security guys whos she had assaulted,one quite badly and by two young plod.
who were rightly too scared to go in and detain her until others arrived to assist,thankfully our mother arrived in time and talked some sense into her,she left quietly and been sent to prison more than once and a phsyciactric unit for her sins.
she`s 45 now and has changed,calmed mainly through ill health but she will take no s
t even now.I suppose if there is a moral to this story its would be dont assume that because its a woman its the weaker sex,some women are more than a match for most men.
This is one of the best posts ever to be on Pistonheads.
Although in this incident, the cyclist has failed. He should have not only slapped her but pissed on her seat too.
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