Nasty attack on female motorist by cyclist.
Discussion
Zoobeef said:
F i F said:
You overtake a cyclist leaving the requisite amount of room, before moving back to the left you see the cyclist wobbling and falling off as they've hit a pothole 
and just fallen off.
You are certain that you didn't hit them or cause them to fall off but surely you'd stop and get out to see if they are alright. Or?
So reversing is the wrong answer? :unsure: and just fallen off.You are certain that you didn't hit them or cause them to fall off but surely you'd stop and get out to see if they are alright. Or?
I suppose that there is no chance whatsoever that she through her own poor or aggressive driving had hit the cyclist and knew it, he reacted indignantly, and she struck out at him?
No, that's inconceivable, despite the fact that about 10% of the physical violence in this country is committed by women against men.
No, that's inconceivable, despite the fact that about 10% of the physical violence in this country is committed by women against men.
flemke said:
I suppose that there is no chance whatsoever that she through her own poor or aggressive driving had hit the cyclist and knew it, he reacted indignantly, and she struck out at him?
No, that's inconceivable, despite the fact that about 10% of the physical violence in this country is committed by women against men.
Possability...No, that's inconceivable, despite the fact that about 10% of the physical violence in this country is committed by women against men.
A perferated ear drum though hurts like hell. There is no way he couldn't have known he had caused injury, she would have most likely been screaming her head off. I know I was.
So then why leave the scene and not even bother going into a Police Station if it was self defence?
Meoricin said:
Why is it relevant that he happened to be cycling before the assault? Trying to stir up arguments by creating these 'opposing groups' such as motorists/cyclists/bikers is pathetic. People are people, their mode of transport doesn't define their character.
exactly there's way too much bulls
t on here about bikers this, audi drivers that ......grow the fk upR3v 1 said:
flemke said:
I suppose that there is no chance whatsoever that she through her own poor or aggressive driving had hit the cyclist and knew it, he reacted indignantly, and she struck out at him?
No, that's inconceivable, despite the fact that about 10% of the physical violence in this country is committed by women against men.
Possability...No, that's inconceivable, despite the fact that about 10% of the physical violence in this country is committed by women against men.
A perferated ear drum though hurts like hell. There is no way he couldn't have known he had caused injury, she would have most likely been screaming her head off. I know I was.
So then why leave the scene and not even bother going into a Police Station if it was self defence?
My objection is to the way the media represented this. In effect:
"I was minding my own business one day, driving quite sensibly, then a cyclist came close to my car. My car might have touched him but, if so, the contact was so minor that I couldn't even be sure that there was any contact at all. Being the responsible, concerned person that I am, I nonetheless stopped, just in case there had been some slight contact, for which I would have apologised lest the cyclist take umbrage.
"When I got out of my car, however, this vicious goon cyclist, who if my car had touched him would have been only slightly brushed against anyway, attacked me so violently that he perforated my ear-drum. He then scarpered off, leaving me to suffer from the effects of his brutality."
That's the message. That may in fact be what did happen, but, except mostly for cases of premeditated crimes, we know that each person's side of any story tends to be skewed to make themselves look better and the other party look worse.
anonymous said:
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I'd have no trouble punching a woman if she drove like an idiot and almost killed me, before pulling to one side and giving me a st load of abuse.Of course the above is all conjecture but we've only had one side of the story and a lot of information is missing. On the face of it the cyclist has a lot of questions to answer, and is probably in a lot of trouble.
/edit: before the idiots all jump on the bandwagon, I've never hit anyone while out on the roads, and never felt the need to. I could have worded my answer better, if attacked I won't hesitate to fight back, no matter what sex.
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 27th March 20:32
davepoth said:
Knob.
Are you saying you wouldn't do it if a large, powerfully built 19stone woman had run you off the road, skidded to a halt, launched herself out of the vehicle and straight at you, demanding you cough up for her wing marry that slapped you on your arse as she drive by far too close?Parrot of Doom said:
I'd have no trouble punching a woman if she drove like an idiot and almost killed me, before pulling to one side and giving me a st load of abuse.
Would you really. You'd actually punch someone (and worse in this case a woman) for 'almost' killing you with no harm done?t load of abuse.You might want to re-evaluate that statement or stop using the roads as you obviously have issues.
Parrot of Doom said:
I'd have no trouble punching a woman if she drove like an idiot and almost killed me, before pulling to one side and giving me a st load of abuse.
Really? t load of abuse.I've been very nearly "run over" by a woman - had I not jumped over the bonnet I'd have been a lot worse off - yet I still didn't punch her - I did call her a few choice words, and in fact a couple came over to me and said they were surprised I just shouted at her given what she'd just done.
But you don't hit a woman. It's as simple as that to me.
F i F said:
Pothole said:
This concerns me: "the woman thought she had collided with him and pulled over"
If she couldn't even tell whether she'd hit him or not, perhaps her car should be checked for evidence of other hit and runs...
You overtake a cyclist leaving the requisite amount of room, before moving back to the left you see the cyclist wobbling and falling off as they've hit a pothole If she couldn't even tell whether she'd hit him or not, perhaps her car should be checked for evidence of other hit and runs...
and just fallen off.You are certain that you didn't hit them or cause them to fall off but surely you'd stop and get out to see if they are alright. Or?
Noger said:
Pothole said:
I don't know about you, but I would bloody well know if I'd hit a cyclist or not.
Full on hit, yes. Brushed their shoulder, got a bit too close and made them wobble...who knows. At least she stopped, no ?About as much justification for violence as the "pedestrian playing chicken so I just charged him" one i.e. None.
Although clearly "slapping the cow upside the head a bit" would be justifiable for many of the PH two wheel massive
Motorrad said:
Would you really. You'd actually punch someone (and worse in this case a woman) for 'almost' killing you with no harm done?
You might want to re-evaluate that statement or stop using the roads as you obviously have issues.
Aren't women supposed to be equal to men? They behave as if they are, demand the same salaries, occupy jobs that traditionally men were doing, drink and smoke as much as men and demand to be treated no different. Thus, if for a given situation someone deserves a punch they should get it regardless of whether they are male or female. After all we should not discriminate against women!You might want to re-evaluate that statement or stop using the roads as you obviously have issues.
Just playing devils advocate here....
Many years ago, a friend of my wife was forced to a stop by some knob with issues, who said "If you were a man, I'd punch you in the face".
She said "If you were a man you might get away with it."
Back on topic, there's no excuse for this kind of behaviour - bet the cowardly bd has spent this weekend buying new cycling gear so that he won't be recognised, and gets the bus to work for the next few weeks...
She said "If you were a man you might get away with it."
Back on topic, there's no excuse for this kind of behaviour - bet the cowardly b
d has spent this weekend buying new cycling gear so that he won't be recognised, and gets the bus to work for the next few weeks...Perhaps the cyclist was already having a bad day and the lady's car came rather close to him and he kicked the side of her car, this would account for her being unsure if she'd hit him. She just hears a bang, thinks st i've hit that cyclist, does the decent thing and pulls over and gets a punch for her troubles.
Since it's all conjecture until the guy is identified, interviewed, PERHAPS charged/appears in court there could be all manner of explanations. Perhaps the cyclist and the lady had previously had an incident and he was on the lookout for her car? Perhaps he cycled past, knocked her wing mirror and she's thought "i'll show him" and she swerves into his path?
Still, on the facts as they are presented at the moment, a punch hard enough to perforate her ear drum would seem to be WAY over the top.
t i've hit that cyclist, does the decent thing and pulls over and gets a punch for her troubles. Since it's all conjecture until the guy is identified, interviewed, PERHAPS charged/appears in court there could be all manner of explanations. Perhaps the cyclist and the lady had previously had an incident and he was on the lookout for her car? Perhaps he cycled past, knocked her wing mirror and she's thought "i'll show him" and she swerves into his path?
Still, on the facts as they are presented at the moment, a punch hard enough to perforate her ear drum would seem to be WAY over the top.
Marvin Hagler said:
Motorrad said:
Would you really. You'd actually punch someone (and worse in this case a woman) for 'almost' killing you with no harm done?
You might want to re-evaluate that statement or stop using the roads as you obviously have issues.
Aren't women supposed to be equal to men? They behave as if they are, demand the same salaries, occupy jobs that traditionally men were doing, drink and smoke as much as men and demand to be treated no different. Thus, if for a given situation someone deserves a punch they should get it regardless of whether they are male or female. After all we should not discriminate against women!You might want to re-evaluate that statement or stop using the roads as you obviously have issues.
Just playing devils advocate here....
oobster said:
Perhaps the cyclist was already having a bad day and the lady's car came rather close to him and he kicked the side of her car, this would account for her being unsure if she'd hit him. She just hears a bang, thinks st i've hit that cyclist, does the decent thing and pulls over and gets a punch for her troubles.
Since it's all conjecture until the guy is identified, interviewed, PERHAPS charged/appears in court there could be all manner of explanations. Perhaps the cyclist and the lady had previously had an incident and he was on the lookout for her car? Perhaps he cycled past, knocked her wing mirror and she's thought "i'll show him" and she swerves into his path?
Still, on the facts as they are presented at the moment, a punch hard enough to perforate her ear drum would seem to be WAY over the top.
how hard would that have to be, Doctor? t i've hit that cyclist, does the decent thing and pulls over and gets a punch for her troubles. Since it's all conjecture until the guy is identified, interviewed, PERHAPS charged/appears in court there could be all manner of explanations. Perhaps the cyclist and the lady had previously had an incident and he was on the lookout for her car? Perhaps he cycled past, knocked her wing mirror and she's thought "i'll show him" and she swerves into his path?
Still, on the facts as they are presented at the moment, a punch hard enough to perforate her ear drum would seem to be WAY over the top.
Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...
Pothole said:
here have I stated that the violence (if indeed there was any) was justifiable? It's clearly not as black and white as everyone would like it to be, and I'll bet you anything she did not meekly get out of the car and quietly inquire if the cyclist was OK. Let's see if subsequent reporting of the story, if there is any, gives us any more information, shall we?
Well, she ended up in A&E, that takes some violence. And it was rush hour near Gogaburn, which is pretty busy, so there must have been witnesses, so "the other side" is less than 50%. Pothole said:
how hard would that have to be, Doctor?
Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...
Why does it matter ? It is still ABH. Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...
Noger said:
Pothole said:
how hard would that have to be, Doctor?
Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...
Why does it matter ? It is still ABH. Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...
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