Nasty attack on female motorist by cyclist.
Discussion
Motorrad said:
That assumes you accept the little dears are equal 
Just playing devil's advocate 
On the subject of self defence if I had to of course I'd hit back to protect myself. However what we're talking about here is punching a woman, in the face, who hasn't done you any harm and that of course is absolutely wrong. Would be too if it was a man but the fact it was a woman...........fecking bully and not much of a man.
I am a traditionalist and beleive that women should not be regarded equal to men. Women should be respected in thier own right for their intelligence, athletiscm and other such attributes and achievements. Therefore I would not hit a women as they are weaker and more delicate (especially to a wack on the head). It doesnt feel right to hit a woman either (not that I have tried it). Just playing devil's advocate On the subject of self defence if I had to of course I'd hit back to protect myself. However what we're talking about here is punching a woman, in the face, who hasn't done you any harm and that of course is absolutely wrong. Would be too if it was a man but the fact it was a woman...........fecking bully and not much of a man.
On the other hand, when i was 18 i used to work in a fast food shop. One night some lads came into the shop fighting each other. I jumped over the counter to help break it up, and some b
h that came with them took of her heels and threatened to hit me with them if i touched her boyfriend (who was in the fight). I seriously contemplated punching her in the face so that she remembers not to threaten anyone like that again. I didnt hit her. But what if she had hit me? Would I keep taking the hits because its wrong to hit a woman under any circumstance?What about the woman who abused the iraqi soldiers in the Bagram airbase? She tortured men like they are animals. Would it be wrong for a fellow male soldier to hit her if he found the situation abhorrent?
I think the cyclist case is not so black and white. As others have said there is one side of the story here only. Maybe this women deserved her punch. Theres plenty out there that do (like the cretin woman that urinated over a war monument).
Edited to ADD:
I DO regard women to be equal to men on a professional level. However, on a personal relationship level, woman should be the ones who are willing to call time on their careers (albeit transiently) to bring up children not the man.
Edited by Marvin Hagler on Monday 28th March 14:02
F i F said:
Have we a Google map /streetview of the location to get a feel for the type of road.
A8 near RBS bridge. Wherever that is.
I looked at the big dual carriageway outside the railway station but that didn't help much.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&...A8 near RBS bridge. Wherever that is.
I looked at the big dual carriageway outside the railway station but that didn't help much.
Edited by xjr Jack on Monday 28th March 16:47
Edited by xjr Jack on Monday 28th March 16:48
Edited by xjr Jack on Monday 28th March 16:49
Perhaps this is a question for another thread, but if you were pretty confident the cyclist involved in this case was a work colleague (e.g. you know he regularly cycles to work on that route and at that time of day, you know he wears 'purple leggings', he's been getting the bus in since this was reported) would you shop him?
14-7 said:
SplatSpeed said:
there are other options
he could have taken her keys
shouted "when you can drive you can have these!"
thrown them accross a river and into a field!
you don't hit women!
The thing is we don't know what options he had do we?he could have taken her keys
shouted "when you can drive you can have these!"
thrown them accross a river and into a field!
you don't hit women!
Ever lashed out in a reflex reaction?
There is no doubt that the cyclist has a case to answer, but he isn't answering because he left the scene before he could be held to account for his actions. That in itself would make the case against him that much stronger. If some of the possible reasons that have been put forward, such as self defense etc, had been true, why would he have needed to leave?
SplatSpeed said:
14-7 said:
SplatSpeed said:
there are other options
he could have taken her keys
shouted "when you can drive you can have these!"
thrown them accross a river and into a field!
you don't hit women!
The thing is we don't know what options he had do we?he could have taken her keys
shouted "when you can drive you can have these!"
thrown them accross a river and into a field!
you don't hit women!
Ever lashed out in a reflex reaction?
You shouldn't hit anyone but if I were being attacked and to get that person off meant punching them as hard as possible to the face/head then I would. Regardless of whether it was a man or woman.
14-7 said:
So you would never defend yourself if you were knocked to the floor and a woman was beating the living daylights out of you?
You shouldn't hit anyone but if I were being attacked and to get that person off meant punching them as hard as possible to the face/head then I would. Regardless of whether it was a man or woman.
there are other defencesYou shouldn't hit anyone but if I were being attacked and to get that person off meant punching them as hard as possible to the face/head then I would. Regardless of whether it was a man or woman.
wrist lock, and the like!
take it from someone that has banjo'ed a woman, you never stop regretting it!
SplatSpeed said:
14-7 said:
SplatSpeed said:
there are other options
he could have taken her keys
shouted "when you can drive you can have these!"
thrown them accross a river and into a field!
you don't hit women!
The thing is we don't know what options he had do we?he could have taken her keys
shouted "when you can drive you can have these!"
thrown them accross a river and into a field!
you don't hit women!
Ever lashed out in a reflex reaction?
Woman and lady are two different things altogether.
How ironic. I had a motorist beep her horn at me today for having the audacity not to want to cycle directly over a truly enormous series of potholes currently on the nearside, here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnea...
She came so close up my arse, and was trying to overtake me with so little patience, an oncoming car had to emergency stop and flash its headlamps. Once over the bridge she gave me the usual hand gesture from the window, well I know the area very well so I "put my foot down" and kept up with her. She pulled into the Asda car park half a mile up the road and I followed her in, intending to ask what she was playing at.
Bad idea tbh, but adrenaline is a curious thing. 10 miles of hard riding and a car bearing down on your rear tyre tends to result in lots of adrenaline.
The driver was quite defensive and didn't understand why I needed to cycle so far out into the road. When I told her about the potholes she seemed to "get it" and backed down. Her passenger, however, probably one of the fattest women I've ever seen, was screeching in my face, telling me to "fkoff you great idiot", etc. She didn't react to being called a "pie scoffing fat bh" as I rode away, and shouted "WHAT DID YOU SAY?!" So when I turned around and repeated to her face the exact same words, she threatened to knock me off my bike. She grabbed my arm but when I told her to do it, reminding her of the police car parked near the car park entrance (dealing with a motorist), she realised what an utterly fking stupid position she'd placed herself in and backed off (the driver was pulling her away). I'm a little ashamed of myself tbh as I thought up some far wittier retorts while riding home (like "if I wanted to look at whales I'd go to Seaworld"), but "pie scoffing fat bh" was ok I guess.
I promise I'm not making any of this up. My point is that in my anger, trying to tell the driver that what she did was completely out of order and very dangerous, I ended up in a situation where the passenger went completely mental and threatened to attack me. It happened very easily, and she wasn't even driving the car.
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnea...
She came so close up my arse, and was trying to overtake me with so little patience, an oncoming car had to emergency stop and flash its headlamps. Once over the bridge she gave me the usual hand gesture from the window, well I know the area very well so I "put my foot down" and kept up with her. She pulled into the Asda car park half a mile up the road and I followed her in, intending to ask what she was playing at.
Bad idea tbh, but adrenaline is a curious thing. 10 miles of hard riding and a car bearing down on your rear tyre tends to result in lots of adrenaline.
The driver was quite defensive and didn't understand why I needed to cycle so far out into the road. When I told her about the potholes she seemed to "get it" and backed down. Her passenger, however, probably one of the fattest women I've ever seen, was screeching in my face, telling me to "f
koff you great idiot", etc. She didn't react to being called a "pie scoffing fat bh" as I rode away, and shouted "WHAT DID YOU SAY?!" So when I turned around and repeated to her face the exact same words, she threatened to knock me off my bike. She grabbed my arm but when I told her to do it, reminding her of the police car parked near the car park entrance (dealing with a motorist), she realised what an utterly fking stupid position she'd placed herself in and backed off (the driver was pulling her away). I'm a little ashamed of myself tbh as I thought up some far wittier retorts while riding home (like "if I wanted to look at whales I'd go to Seaworld"), but "pie scoffing fat bh" was ok I guess.I promise I'm not making any of this up. My point is that in my anger, trying to tell the driver that what she did was completely out of order and very dangerous, I ended up in a situation where the passenger went completely mental and threatened to attack me. It happened very easily, and she wasn't even driving the car.
Parrot of Doom said:
How ironic. I had a motorist beep her horn at me today for having the audacity not to want to cycle directly over a truly enormous series of potholes currently on the nearside, here:
I used to ride that very road and it was one of the low-lights of my journey due to the narrowness and cars needing to squeeze past at all costs.
Parrot of Doom said:
She came so close up my arse, and was trying to overtake me with so little patience, an oncoming car had to emergency stop and flash its headlamps. Once over the bridge she gave me the usual hand gesture from the window
That, people, is a true reflection of a typical bike commute across the Manchester Conurbation and it really, really, really annoys me.When you are driving along it costs nothing to give some thought for other people.
Thankfully I now have a much quieter route to work.
this route planner is good for bike routes
Parrot of Doom said:
I promise I'm not making any of this up. My point is that in my anger, trying to tell the driver that what she did was completely out of order and very dangerous, I ended up in a situation where the passenger went completely mental and threatened to attack me. It happened very easily, and she wasn't even driving the car.
That's insane. I just do not understand people sometimes.Once I saw a van driver knock a cyclist off, the cyclist understandably shouted something and the van driver stopped and went after him with a baseball bat. I tried to report it to the police as I'd taken the reg of the van but they weren't interested.
Cuts both ways though, many of the cyclists I see in central London appear to consider themselves immortal and immune from any road laws. I saw one guy get cut up by a car, he gave the w
ker signal to the driver then immediately jumped a red light causing a car crossing the junction into an emergency stop.14-7 said:
I think that applies to pretty much every journey anyone takes.
Or your general dealing with people outside of travelling. Being considerate to others and not letting them get to you ultimately makes your own life better. Holding doors open for people, letting them go first in queue is not only good manners but also good practice. Silver said:
Once I saw a van driver knock a cyclist off, the cyclist understandably shouted something and the van driver stopped and went after him with a baseball bat
It never fails to amaze me how many people take offence when other people point out something that they have done wrong in the first place. It is like some sort of medieval fued situation.Silver said:
Cuts both ways though, many of the cyclists I see in central London appear to consider themselves immortal and immune from any road laws.
Indeed.Silver said:
I saw one guy get cut up by a car, he gave the wker signal to the driver
How dare he!ker signal to the driverSilver said:
then immediately jumped a red light causing a car crossing the junction into an emergency stop.
Not goodMotorrad said:
Or your general dealing with people outside of travelling. Being considerate to others and not letting them get to you ultimately makes your own life better. Holding doors open for people, letting them go first in queue is not only good manners but also good practice.
Iagree. It is noticeable that people who are like that are often quite relaxed types rather than aggressive, pushy individuals.The sort of people who run cyclists off the road or push past old ladies or disabled people on the pavement are not generally the happiest sorts.
Driving cars in daily traffic jams is such a nonsensical thing to do that people doing the driving get wound up very easily and (in the vast majority of drivers that I've been with) don't look far enough ahead to anticipate what they'll be doing in a few seconds' time. As such, passing the bike/disability buggy/bin lorry/not letting pedestrians cross becomes far more important than it should and is often followed extremely closely by hard braking for the red light/skip/bus that "they hadn't seen" just ahead.
MC Bodge said:
Iagree. It is noticeable that people who are like that are often quite relaxed types rather than aggressive, pushy individuals.
The sort of people who run cyclists off the road or push past old ladies or disabled people on the pavement are not generally the happiest sorts.
This is why it's never a good idea to start remonstrating with people, however right you think you are. The sort of people who run cyclists off the road or push past old ladies or disabled people on the pavement are not generally the happiest sorts.
You are very unlikely to change their future behaviour, but you may get punched.
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