RE: Caterham CSR

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woof

8,456 posts

278 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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OutOn said:
They don´t quote the weight of these two beauties in the specs pdf, any guess on it?


I'll try and get that for you tomorrow

XM5ER

5,091 posts

249 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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OutOn said:
They don´t quote the weight of these two beauties in the specs pdf, any guess on it?



Shouldnt be any different to the Rover engined jobbies, the duratec weighs roughly the same.

I can see where the extra cash goes when compared to their 7 replica rivals. The chassis is a work or art.

>> Edited by XM5ER on Thursday 7th October 21:40

Pesmo

150 posts

240 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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I suspect 560-580 kg at best in road going trim. There is a lot of metal in that new chassis, mainly at the rear with the IRS. Also 15 inch wheels, that dash, SV dimensions etc.

Andy GDI

17 posts

236 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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its great... we were there during the mapping of this engine... full throttle testing at 7500 rpm for an hour!!!! MAD

Andy
GDI

Martin_S

9,939 posts

246 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Hmmm...I'm not at all convinced!

I'm sure the chassis will work a whole heap better than the old outboard front springs/De Dion rear set up, but the radiator exit looks like the sort of bodge solution adopted by kit-car builders who have just realised the Chevy V8 in their Dutton is boiling over, and the exposed scuttle brace gives a degree of over-styled naffness to the interior only rivalled by the exterior styling of the Morgan 'Clarence the Crosseyed Lion' Aero.

Colin Chapman must be spinning in his grave/Brazillian Tax Haven, too - he always derided Cooper F1 cars as 'blacksmith's jobs' because they used structurally imperfect curved tubes, and now Caterham have not only adopted such a dubious solution in an evolution of a Chapman design,they are actually flaunting it!

Andy GDI

17 posts

236 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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peak power was 258 bhp at 7600 ish.. peak torque was 195 ft/lbs at 6000 ish... nice...

very reliable,

Wacky Racer

38,170 posts

248 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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I think the curved dashboard looks grotesque...

Love the rest of the car though.....

PetrolTed

34,428 posts

304 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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One of the cars there today had a conventional dash which I didn't understand.

chimburt

751 posts

260 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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according to the club forum guys you have the option, new or old dash, though how that fits with those bars i've no idea..
would rather they'd used some of that space on the outside edges of the car, rather than the centre console, but it does look pretty neat, under all that colour.

>> Edited by chimburt on Thursday 7th October 23:48

PiB

1,199 posts

271 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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Nice, look forward to a full thrashing with handleing comparison to previous. Radiator vent and inboard sus. is a no brainer but probably pretty tricky to design. Why not have inboard on the rear suspension too? Great work to the car!

klassiekerrally

2,543 posts

256 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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Front wings are ugly, although they could be useful to put a glas of beer on...

And those headlamps on stalks...
Donkervoort does a better job IMHO.
See what I mean: www.donkervoort.nl/car/concept.htm

>> Edited by klassiekerrally on Friday 8th October 09:44

madhatter

54 posts

256 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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There a BBC article if anyone's interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3723878.stm

domster

8,431 posts

271 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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Martin_S said:
Hmmm...I'm not at all convinced!

I'm sure the chassis will work a whole heap better than the old outboard front springs/De Dion rear set up, but the radiator exit looks like the sort of bodge solution adopted by kit-car builders who have just realised the Chevy V8 in their Dutton is boiling over, and the exposed scuttle brace gives a degree of over-styled naffness to the interior only rivalled by the exterior styling of the Morgan 'Clarence the Crosseyed Lion' Aero.

Colin Chapman must be spinning in his grave/Brazillian Tax Haven, too - he always derided Cooper F1 cars as 'blacksmith's jobs' because they used structurally imperfect curved tubes, and now Caterham have not only adopted such a dubious solution in an evolution of a Chapman design,they are actually flaunting it!



I haven't seen a CSR close up, but my guess is that the curvy tubes on the dash are not structural. They are merely screwed into the existing chassis for a bit of bling. This may explain why Ted saw a CSR with conventional dash. Anyone know the truth?

domster

8,431 posts

271 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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PiB said:
Why not have inboard on the rear suspension too? Great work to the car!



Errr, cos the rear suspension isn't in the airflow? Also, I imagine you'd eat into fuel tank space.

MikeE

1,833 posts

285 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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The main reason for having in-board suspension isn't to take it out of the air-flow but to allow a rising rate geometry set up, which for some unfathomable reason Caterham haven't done

cageman

1 posts

235 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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The new dash is not structural - just bling.

XM5ER

5,091 posts

249 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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a thick bbc journo said:
A web of frighteningly skimpy looking aluminium joists clad in a minimalist sheet of steel, adorned with protruding front wheels and headlights,


Can someone tell me how this halfwit got the job?

F355GTS

3,723 posts

256 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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klassiekerrally

Beer supporting wings already tested

www.collinsclan.co.uk/Pages/Cars/7launch/source/dsc_0151.html



>> Edited by F355GTS on Friday 8th October 13:28

mechsympathy

52,801 posts

256 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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cageman said:
The new dash is not structural - just bling.


It looks good (possibly a bit too TT for my taste), but I can't see how it fits in with the whole "adding lightness" ethos.

Martin_S

9,939 posts

246 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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cageman said:
The new dash is not structural - just bling.


An even less excusable lack of taste, then...