Interesting R620 for sale!
Discussion
TeflonT said:
The gated alerts that are offered by the Stack make them worth every penny. Saved my engine several times when I had dry sump belt failures.
I cannot see why anyone suggests they are hard to read.
I would have to agree with Arnie here. The ability to set alarms is one of the great features of the Stack unit.I cannot see why anyone suggests they are hard to read.
I do wish the alarm for the low fuel level was not so sporadic though, mine seems to go off way to early,then come on and off very frequently, but I suspect that most of that is down to fuel surge in the tank!
I do like traditional gauges as shown in the r620 at the start of my original post too though, but do they have the ability to set threshold alarms too?
I did not want to get into a debate about how hard or not a stack race dash is to read, all I Know and those that drive hard or race the last thing you have time to do is scan various gauges!display essentials and alarm for over under limits. A 620R One would hope is going to be driven hard, or should be, or what's the point? So why not give an option, as I said before the stack loom is totally indendant from the car loom and vastly superior too, and only needs to interface with the ecu for Rpm info along with the SAdev if they are offering flat Shift..and why not paddle shift whilst they are at it? We then have an option!!!
curley said:
I have a 620 r on order , I was told yesterday that I couldn't definitely NOT have a stack as the loom would not support it , Also there is no aces shift light .
What there is , In between the two main dials is a gear indicator that also doubles as a shift light , have asked for photos but sounds an intriguing use of a single unit to perform multiple functions , less weight !
As. Far as noise is concerned I am told that the delivery may be marginally delayed because the solution will be an engineered one and not just a Blo££y big exhaust . Read into that what you will but it looks as if they are looking at the induction side as well .
CC have been pretty good at keeping me abreast of developments , I am an existing customer . I think when you have to staff up a show you need additional resources and some of those are co opted for the duration . Speak to the right people and you get a sensible response . Despite his elevated position the group chief executive has even replied to my emails about fairly mundane ( to him ) matters
Hi Curley,What there is , In between the two main dials is a gear indicator that also doubles as a shift light , have asked for photos but sounds an intriguing use of a single unit to perform multiple functions , less weight !
As. Far as noise is concerned I am told that the delivery may be marginally delayed because the solution will be an engineered one and not just a Blo££y big exhaust . Read into that what you will but it looks as if they are looking at the induction side as well .
CC have been pretty good at keeping me abreast of developments , I am an existing customer . I think when you have to staff up a show you need additional resources and some of those are co opted for the duration . Speak to the right people and you get a sensible response . Despite his elevated position the group chief executive has even replied to my emails about fairly mundane ( to him ) matters
Thanks for the info, it's good to hear from someone who actually has an R620 on order.
Out of interest what gauges have CC told you that your R620 will be supplied with?
Will it be fitted with gauges that are shown on the car in my original post or the gauges that we have seen on the two press cars?
mic said:
The gear change indicator is between the top of the tacho and speedo. Don't think I've said Aces wont be used though.
Thanks Mic,Edited by mic on Sunday 26th January 15:42
Sorry I had assumed it was you who commented that CC were not going to supply Aces shift lights with the R620!
It was actually Curley who mentions in his post above, regarding his order for the R620, when CC told him his car would not be supplied with the ACEs shift lights.
Unless you know something otherwise of course!
nigelpugh7 said:
Thanks Mic,
Sorry I had assumed it was you who commented that CC were not going to supply Aces shift lights with the R620!
It was actually Curley who mentions in his post above, regarding his order for the R620, when CC told him his car would not be supplied with the ACEs shift lights.
Unless you know something otherwise of course!
Ok , to be clear , based on what i have seen the instruments are as follows , left to right Sorry I had assumed it was you who commented that CC were not going to supply Aces shift lights with the R620!
It was actually Curley who mentions in his post above, regarding his order for the R620, when CC told him his car would not be supplied with the ACEs shift lights.
Unless you know something otherwise of course!
Fuel gauge , reads empty at about 4 o'clock and full at about 2 o'clock , half full at 9 o'clock last 1/8th of a tank shows against a red tab.
Temperature gauge , same arc with 80 degrees at the 9 o'clock position ,first portion up to 50 degrees against a blue background
Oil pressure , same arc with 4 bar at the 9 o'clock position , below one bar and above 7bar against a red background
Rev counter 0 to 9000 scale with 0 at approx 4 o'clock 4500 at 9 o'clock and 9000 at 2 o'clock
Speedo 0 to 160 mph scale with 0 at about 7.30 o'clock and 160 on the corresponding 4.30 position .80mph at 12 noon
In-between the two main dials at the top is a circular unit about 25mm diameter which i am told shows the gear in use and then doubles as a change up light .( why i said no aces change up lights )
Dials are black background , needles yellow , all markings and labels are white except where indicated above ( and the secondary KPH markings on the speedo which are yellow ) ..The rev counter and speedo look to be larger than the standard CC ones in use on the other new cars .
The speedo has mileage shown on a screen at 6 o'clock and a trip button below .
All subject to change no doubt !!
curley said:
Ok , to be clear , based on what i have seen the instruments are as follows , left to right
Fuel gauge , reads empty at about 4 o'clock and full at about 2 o'clock , half full at 9 o'clock last 1/8th of a tank shows against a red tab.
Temperature gauge , same arc with 80 degrees at the 9 o'clock position ,first portion up to 50 degrees against a blue background
Oil pressure , same arc with 4 bar at the 9 o'clock position , below one bar and above 7bar against a red background
Rev counter 0 to 9000 scale with 0 at approx 4 o'clock 4500 at 9 o'clock and 9000 at 2 o'clock
Speedo 0 to 160 mph scale with 0 at about 7.30 o'clock and 160 on the corresponding 4.30 position .80mph at 12 noon
In-between the two main dials at the top is a circular unit about 25mm diameter which i am told shows the gear in use and then doubles as a change up light .( why i said no aces change up lights )
Dials are black background , needles yellow , all markings and labels are white except where indicated above ( and the secondary KPH markings on the speedo which are yellow ) ..The rev counter and speedo look to be larger than the standard CC ones in use on the other new cars .
The speedo has mileage shown on a screen at 6 o'clock and a trip button below .
All subject to change no doubt !!
Hey Curley,Fuel gauge , reads empty at about 4 o'clock and full at about 2 o'clock , half full at 9 o'clock last 1/8th of a tank shows against a red tab.
Temperature gauge , same arc with 80 degrees at the 9 o'clock position ,first portion up to 50 degrees against a blue background
Oil pressure , same arc with 4 bar at the 9 o'clock position , below one bar and above 7bar against a red background
Rev counter 0 to 9000 scale with 0 at approx 4 o'clock 4500 at 9 o'clock and 9000 at 2 o'clock
Speedo 0 to 160 mph scale with 0 at about 7.30 o'clock and 160 on the corresponding 4.30 position .80mph at 12 noon
In-between the two main dials at the top is a circular unit about 25mm diameter which i am told shows the gear in use and then doubles as a change up light .( why i said no aces change up lights )
Dials are black background , needles yellow , all markings and labels are white except where indicated above ( and the secondary KPH markings on the speedo which are yellow ) ..The rev counter and speedo look to be larger than the standard CC ones in use on the other new cars .
The speedo has mileage shown on a screen at 6 o'clock and a trip button below .
All subject to change no doubt !!
Thanks for the update.
Great to hear what your nice shiny new R620 will be supplied with!
From what Mic was saying, he seems to imply that the Aces lights might be supplied when the R620 models are shipped to new customers?
Did CC also give you that impression?
Could we know the full Spec of your car, including the colour, and when will you be collecting in too please?
Of course we need to see lots of pictures when you do pick it up too,,thanks!
nigelpugh7 said:
I am inclined to agree!
The first guy I spoke to did explain he was in marketing, and knew nothing about the production cars? I would have thought that a person working in marketing at Caterham cars would know everything anyone would ever ask on a trade show stand!
However he did go and find a so called sales person to answer my questions related to the dash layout and config options!
It was that so called sales guy who came up wit the previous statement about users not liking the Stack dash.
And guess what, he was such a good salesman, that he did not even know that I was an existing owner, and did not even ask my name, let alone take down my contact details!
Apologies for bringing this up to the top of the list however, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd... if this was the development car it has..............a stack dash and R500 layout.The first guy I spoke to did explain he was in marketing, and knew nothing about the production cars? I would have thought that a person working in marketing at Caterham cars would know everything anyone would ever ask on a trade show stand!
However he did go and find a so called sales person to answer my questions related to the dash layout and config options!
It was that so called sales guy who came up wit the previous statement about users not liking the Stack dash.
And guess what, he was such a good salesman, that he did not even know that I was an existing owner, and did not even ask my name, let alone take down my contact details!
Toaster said:
Apologies for bringing this up to the top of the list however, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd... if this was the development car it has..............a stack dash and R500 layout.
Thanks for the link.But sadly I can now confirm after speaking directly with CC re the 620r, that it is as a large amount of cure t owners have feared.
This is a guaranteed fact there will be no stack dash for the R620, and no ACEs shift flights either.
I am not allowed to divulge the reasons why these production decisions have been made, but I think we all know the reasons why, and the direction CC under questionable leadership are set in stone too.
For me, it spells the end of what was a very special and unquie mark, that many if us will never see again.
Very sadly too,,it also denotes the end of my Caterham ownership, and the end of a long and enjoyable story of ownership
I am lucky that my own car has lots of provenance, and lots of valuable offers too.
So once my car has gone, it will be the end of my Caterham ownership .
Orange Blackbird said:
So your giving up on Caterham because of the instruments they use
Nope not really giving up on Caterham, I think I have been pretty loyal to the brand actually.I just find that some decisions they have made seem rather more related to what profit they make out of their cars, more than what people really want to buy.
For lots of reasons I don't think I will be buying any new model Caterham, mostly because the top of the range cars are now completely out of my reach financially, and a lot of other people too I suspect!
I am sure they will continue to seek many more of the lower specced models, and I hope they do too.
When I decide to sell my current R500, I just can't see me actually buying another new Caterham, but that is also down to my own change in circumstances too.
We have all decided upon our route paid our money and enjoyed our cars,as many will know a SAdev is around £6k a solid 240bhp and 180 lb/ft hub figures is 10/15k if you build it your self then bolt on a set of 3 way Penskes at around 4k and a starter kit, oh and some profit then 50k seems a fair price,I was truely shocked when I learned of the cost of my car when it was built new in 98, its our choice, or it should be, but sadly not so with the 620,
k20erham said:
We have all decided upon our route paid our money and enjoyed our cars,as many will know a SAdev is around £6k a solid 240bhp and 180 lb/ft hub figures is 10/15k if you build it your self then bolt on a set of 3 way Penskes at around 4k and a starter kit, oh and some profit then 50k seems a fair price,I was truely shocked when I learned of the cost of my car when it was built new in 98, its our choice, or it should be, but sadly not so with the 620,
Hey Sam,Can you post some pictures of your caterham please?
In particular i would love to see the engine and box installation.
I am also really interested to see the Penske shocks you have, not seen those on a Caterham before.
Thanks,
Nigel.
Very interesting following this thread.
Nigel - I entirely understand your frustration here and if i was in a similar position here would feel exactly the same way. Caterham are a niche manufacturer, about as niche as a manufacturer comes until you get into pure custom builds. For this type of manufacturer the answer to absolutely ANY customer demand should be "absolutely sir, let me just find out how much that will cost".
What really gets my goat about it is that would be not only the way to please clients (very important for a manufacturer that relies on repeat business) but also the best way to maximise immediate profitability.
Nigel - I entirely understand your frustration here and if i was in a similar position here would feel exactly the same way. Caterham are a niche manufacturer, about as niche as a manufacturer comes until you get into pure custom builds. For this type of manufacturer the answer to absolutely ANY customer demand should be "absolutely sir, let me just find out how much that will cost".
What really gets my goat about it is that would be not only the way to please clients (very important for a manufacturer that relies on repeat business) but also the best way to maximise immediate profitability.
Nigel
I think we are completely different when it comes to Caterham ownership, I have had two Caterhams, both secondhand and bought privately. I drive a Caterham purely for the pleasure of owning a car that has cost me <£20K yet has no equal in performance round a track or on a fast flat road for the money. Unlike you I do not have the money to purchase a new car every few years and if I did then I would like you look round for something where the showroom would have some "suits you sir!" salesman to make me feel good. For all Caterham's faults in selling cars they really do not need to try too hard to sell their cars as they are still fairly unique. My car weighs 465kg with a bike engine but my previous R300 was only about 525KG and yet most of these so called "lightweight" cars coming along are >700KG so not the same. My car has all the carbon of a new R500/620, kevlar seats, magnesium wheels etc and looks identical in most peoples eyes to a new one but at < 1/2 the price of a new one.
If I was spending £50K then I think a Porsche Cayman is better built, great to drive and probably where my money would go if I was well healed and bored of my Caterham. Even so I am not sure it would fully satisfy my need for pure driving pleasure. Also I love the Lotus 7 Club, have had many good trips with fellow owners on track days, trips to Le Mans, Classic Le Mans etc and I am not sure that any other group would give me the same.
If your circumstances are changing then why are you questioning the direction of Caterham? Maybe the Caterham SUV is what you need?
http://caterhamblackbird.webeden.co.uk/
I think we are completely different when it comes to Caterham ownership, I have had two Caterhams, both secondhand and bought privately. I drive a Caterham purely for the pleasure of owning a car that has cost me <£20K yet has no equal in performance round a track or on a fast flat road for the money. Unlike you I do not have the money to purchase a new car every few years and if I did then I would like you look round for something where the showroom would have some "suits you sir!" salesman to make me feel good. For all Caterham's faults in selling cars they really do not need to try too hard to sell their cars as they are still fairly unique. My car weighs 465kg with a bike engine but my previous R300 was only about 525KG and yet most of these so called "lightweight" cars coming along are >700KG so not the same. My car has all the carbon of a new R500/620, kevlar seats, magnesium wheels etc and looks identical in most peoples eyes to a new one but at < 1/2 the price of a new one.
If I was spending £50K then I think a Porsche Cayman is better built, great to drive and probably where my money would go if I was well healed and bored of my Caterham. Even so I am not sure it would fully satisfy my need for pure driving pleasure. Also I love the Lotus 7 Club, have had many good trips with fellow owners on track days, trips to Le Mans, Classic Le Mans etc and I am not sure that any other group would give me the same.
If your circumstances are changing then why are you questioning the direction of Caterham? Maybe the Caterham SUV is what you need?
http://caterhamblackbird.webeden.co.uk/
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