Diffuser

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GreigM

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6,728 posts

249 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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After adding a diffuser to my previous westfield and feeling it made a fair difference (if nothing else stopping the parachuting effect of the rear end) I decided to do the same with the Caterham.....so here it is:


It was pretty easy to fit (and pleasingly required no drilling/modification of the car, so can be removed at a moments notice if needed) and I think it looks rather good.

I'm now on a search for a good looking chin spolier/splitter to stop so much air going under the car in the first place, rather than using a low numberplate.

I'll report back once I've had it on track to see if I can feel a difference.

IBDAET

1,655 posts

263 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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When I had one of these, it made no difference at all apart from making the diff very hot!

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Each to their own but I always think a diffuser on a Seven is as appropriate as aircon on a motorbike . Blown floor I assume ?

knight

5,207 posts

279 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Second thing I did when I got my 7 was take off the rear diffuser!

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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I'll be interested to hear the results, but I suspect the fuel tank was, more or less, doing the same job. I'd like to sheet more of the underside at some stage to see what happens.

IMHO a full numberplate fitted as low as possible certainly helps stability (and my confidence) at high speed.

IBDAET

1,655 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Knight, I did the same when I got my car.

DCL - I'm confused by your bnumber plate theory - surely this would increase the air pressure under the car, thus doing the opposite to any effective diffuser?

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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IBDAET said:
DCL - I'm confused by your bnumber plate theory - surely this would increase the air pressure under the car, thus doing the opposite to any effective diffuser?
I've dug myself a hole over this one in the past, so I'll go carefully smile. The S3 nose is wedged shaped and tends to introduce lift. The numberplate just acts as a spoiler to break this down. There have been people out there that have done proper wind tunnel testing so it's a little more than a theory.

IBDAET

1,655 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Aha, so the numberplate is at the front? That will be correct.

When I made carbon nosecones for Sevens, Activa, DITP, Carbon Component Co, we had an aerodynamicist from Jordan look at the shape and reccomend some changes - we were getting 140mph out of therse cars even back in 1995. If you see one of these items (moulds now destroyed) you will notice it has a flat front for precisely this purpose.

I found a pic....

GreigM

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249 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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DCL said:
I'll be interested to hear the results, but I suspect the fuel tank was, more or less, doing the same job. I'd like to sheet more of the underside at some stage to see what happens.

IMHO a full numberplate fitted as low as possible certainly helps stability (and my confidence) at high speed.
I'm going to spa in a couple of weeks, so will have ample opportunity to test....if I can be bothered I will try the car with and without and compare the data logger. It definitely made a difference in my westfield, so hoping for the same here.

damdy-cash

65 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Mellow7

219 posts

188 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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damdy-cash said:
...if it makes such a difference I bet that car in the pics performs really badly then given the splitter isn't even fitted on straight! Hopeless!!!

GreigM

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Thursday 28th August 2014
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Mellow7 said:
...if it makes such a difference I bet that car in the pics performs really badly then given the splitter isn't even fitted on straight! Hopeless!!!
Given thats a Levante so that one would be fitted by Caterham, I'd hope it does make a difference.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Mellow7 said:
damdy-cash said:
...if it makes such a difference I bet that car in the pics performs really badly then given the splitter isn't even fitted on straight! Hopeless!!!
What splitter?

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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GreigM said:
Given thats a Levante so that one would be fitted by Caterham, I'd hope it does make a difference.
Eh? Maybe I've misunderstood what you have posted? Are you suggesting that the item in the link is a Caterham OEM part?

GreigM

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Friday 29th August 2014
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rubystone said:
GreigM said:
Given thats a Levante so that one would be fitted by Caterham, I'd hope it does make a difference.
Eh? Maybe I've misunderstood what you have posted? Are you suggesting that the item in the link is a Caterham OEM part?
The photo is of a Levante, which has that wing fitted in the factory, so yes. It may be a reproduction of the caterham part that is being sold, but the pic is of the real deal.

IBDAET

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263 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I very muhc doubt Levante's were built in the Dartford factory. I think the carbon ended up being made by Reverie, hence the price.

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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GreigM said:
The photo is of a Levante, which has that wing fitted in the factory, so yes. It may be a reproduction of the caterham part that is being sold, but the pic is of the real deal.
Nice to know that Russ is now running "the factory" smile I'll give him a bell right now and let him know the good news...


GreigM

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Friday 29th August 2014
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Yes, you are of course correct, I forgot the Levante was "caterham approved" rather than built. However the general gist still stands that its a Caterham "approved" part, so hopefully it would be somewhat effective.

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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GreigM said:
Yes, you are of course correct, I forgot the Levante was "caterham approved" rather than built. However the general gist still stands that its a Caterham "approved" part, so hopefully it would be somewhat effective.
AFAIK Caterham have never, and will never, "approve" the Levante. Doesn't stop it being a nice piece of engineering (divided over its looks, yes, but engineering is first class).

As to whether any of these addenda are "effective" - Russ hasn't run the Levantes in any wind tunnels and I am not aware of whether anyone else has. I'd assume some CFD work was undertaken though by those who may have released this type of kit.

Arnie?....

Agent Orange

2,194 posts

246 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Never quite got a diffuser on a Caterham. They look smart but wasn't convinced by their effectiveness. I'm sure it's better with that without but if looking for gains I would've thought it to be low down on the list.

I did however look at an engine bay under tray and was very tempted.
http://www.fluke-motorsport.co.uk/carbon-fibre-und...