New wheels - inner rim fouling De Dion tube

New wheels - inner rim fouling De Dion tube

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Matt UK

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17,650 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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I've been running 13x6 all round and found some nice looking 13" Compomotive CXR wheels, 6's front and 8's on the rear.

Fronts went on with no problem.

Put the rears on and and there's no clearance between the De Dion tube and the inner wheel rim.
It's not ground stuck and I can wheel the car back and forth in the garage / spin them on axle stands, but I barely squeeze a fag paper between them.
There is some light scoring on the rear wheels - the contact point looks to be a good 10mm in, so not keen on a spacer solution due to potentially having contact issues with the outer tyre and wing / length of the hub screws.

The new wheels are a used set previously on a 2005 Caterham and were made to Caterham specs (so I'm told).
PCD 4x108
C/bore 63.5
Offset fronts 6x13 ET20, rears 8x13 ET24.

Mine in a 1998 car. Would this make a difference?

Have a look at the photos - I've highlighted the contact point:




Thoughts? I've still got my old wheels so not the end of the world to put these back on the bay.

GreigM

6,726 posts

248 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Measure the offset on the rear - think you'll find its larger than 24mm as 24 should clear no problem. If its only a slight rub why not stick on a spacer.

Matt UK

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17,650 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Cheers Greig, just went down to measure up - the measurements the seller gave are correct, it's ET+24.

GreigM

6,726 posts

248 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Strange, must be something to do with the older chassis, as 8inch rears with ET24 has been a standard fit for a long time. A 10mm spacer looks like it would fix it. If I wasn't overloaded with wheels already I'd buy them off you as CXRs are lovely.

sfaulds

653 posts

277 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Just trim the ali gasket down, and grind the excess weld off the back of the tube if needs be. Pretty standard stuff.

framerateuk

2,730 posts

183 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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sfaulds said:
Just trim the ali gasket down, and grind the excess weld off the back of the tube if needs be. Pretty standard stuff.
This seems to be the standard reply on Blatchat. Lots of people have had the issue. You'll only need to grind away a very small amount of material.

Aeroscreens

457 posts

225 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Yep, Same problem for me too, 8" CXRs and 1993 de Dion. Nothing that an angle grinder can't cure.

Matt UK

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17,650 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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GreigM said:
8inch rears with ET24 has been a standard fit for a long time.
My understanding also - the wheels are a standard Caterham fitment spec.

GreigM said:
10mm spacer looks like it would fix it.
Hmmm, not too keen. I've measured again more accurately, would need more like 12mm - that's hell of a space. Might give issues with outer clearance issues with the wing. Plus I'd probably have nothing left to put the lug nuts on!

GreigM said:
If I wasn't overloaded with wheels already I'd buy them off you as CXRs are lovely.
Yes, they are nice - light too!

framerateuk said:
sfaulds said:
Just trim the ali gasket down, and grind the excess weld off the back of the tube if needs be. Pretty standard stuff.
This seems to be the standard reply on Blatchat. Lots of people have had the issue. You'll only need to grind away a very small amount of material.
Ah, so this is a known issue? I'm not on BC. So out with the grinder for a bit of "Caterham style adjustment?"

eta, if these wheels are Caterham fitment, is it the same issue with the 13x8 8-spoke wheels from Caterham themseleves? "Sorry, you'll need a grinder to make the wheels we sold you fit the car we sold you properly?"

sfaulds

653 posts

277 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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From the looks of your photo, it's just the Ali gasket that's fouling. Frankly, leaving it sticking out the back is pretty sloppy at the build stage, but common enough.

Between manufacturing tolerances in rims and tubes, plus the inevitable bending of rims, it is an issue at times.

Grubbster

324 posts

169 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Same often happens with the CC supplied 8" anthracite alloys, just need to trim off the end of the ali shim and possibly a tiny bit of dedion. Remember to explain this to the tyre fitters when you get wheels balanced as they will put the weights on the edge of the rim - they need to go inboard by about an inch in order to maintain clearance.

framerateuk

2,730 posts

183 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Grubbster said:
Same often happens with the CC supplied 8" anthracite alloys, just need to trim off the end of the ali shim and possibly a tiny bit of dedion. Remember to explain this to the tyre fitters when you get wheels balanced as they will put the weights on the edge of the rim - they need to go inboard by about an inch in order to maintain clearance.
Don't forget to warm them about the fronts too. On the 13" fronts with AP Brakes I have less than a mm of clearance between the weights and the caliper. In fact I can't believe they actually fit. They have to go on the outermost edge of the rim if there's any chance of them fitting.

Matt UK

Original Poster:

17,650 posts

199 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Grubbster said:
Same often happens with the CC supplied 8" anthracite alloys, just need to trim off the end of the ali shim and possibly a tiny bit of dedion. Remember to explain this to the tyre fitters when you get wheels balanced as they will put the weights on the edge of the rim - they need to go inboard by about an inch in order to maintain clearance.
Yup, good call. Looks like the shim doing the contact. Will use some emulsion on the inner rim to check the contact point and grind off.

Anyone know what a safe gap should be? I'm thinking at least 3mm to avoid little stones and other debris getting caught there.

SimonRogers

146 posts

157 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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Grinding the de dion is the usual way to go as said above.

However I used to order all my customers ET15 on 8" rears. I will be doing the same now they are back in production.