Classics & Sevens - Dealership

Classics & Sevens - Dealership

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sfaulds

653 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Where have people heard that production is down? They've sold more cars this year than any year in the past! Their biggest problem at the moment is building them fast enough - that's not helping stock either, which let's face it, has *never* been good.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Production has slowed with "factory knock backs" adding delays to customer deliveries.

The order book may be full but the kits / cars aren't coming out the factory.

Its all very well them selling plenty but the orders don't seem to be arriving, the F1 nightmare and its fall out seems to now be having an effect.

scubadude

2,618 posts

197 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp5782 said:
I think the comments made are probably correct.

I would be very surprised if CC are operating in the New Year the way things are going - no stock, reduced sales and production, it doesn't look good.

I'd hate to have a car on order at the moment - we all know what happens to a customers deposit when a company goes under!

I hope, I really hope, we're all wrong............time will tell.
I think you are talking down the situation (not to mention utterly derailing the thread :-)

Caterham is essential a good business so if the worst happened someone would buy it and continue. Its not the doom and gloom you make it out to be I think- companies change ownership all the time, sometimes for the worst but often for the better of customers.

Chin-up, its Christmas!

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Its not really off topic is it?

The suggestion is that S&C is a better company at present, the discussion regarding the state of CC as a business is completely relevant.

If you were to look on BC now youd see a thread regarding a car sold on commission by Caterham South - the car sold weeks ago and the first the seller knew of it was when a DVLA notification dropped through his door.

He's still waiting for his money. Would that happen with S&C?

The situation is indicative of cash flow issues and therefore relevant to the thread.

mic

376 posts

233 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Another load of bullst, very few on here actually know what's going on. Clearly
they have too much time on their hands. If you think production is down you know nothing!

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp5782 said:
Production has slowed with "factory knock backs" adding delays to customer deliveries.

The order book may be full but the kits / cars aren't coming out the factory.

Its all very well them selling plenty but the orders don't seem to be arriving, the F1 nightmare and its fall out seems to now be having an effect.
Well, my R400 kit in Porsche Riviera Blue, 13" wheels and quite a few other extras was ordered in July, began to be built at the end of November and was delivered to me on Tuesday. Exactly on schedule.

So far I have opened up all the boxes and apart from a few bits that I knew were short and are coming next week, everything is here and in fine shape.

I'm quite impressed with the documentation and the organisation of the kit. Some of the instructions could be more detailed but it's not that bad.

I haven't heard of anyone not getting a car on time, although I know lead times are still 6/7 months. My car was brought forward back in August, it was originally scheduled for the end of January, which seems to belie your suggestion that cars aren't coming out of the factory.

So far Caterham have been fine with me. Kept in touch, good response, I like the quality of the kit and they have already been in touch with me about planning its post build check and IVA test.

Don't seem to be a Company struggling to me.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Ask the guys over on BC that have just been informed of 9 week delays for the reasons I've already stated.

Anyone can fill an order book, coming good on the deal might be another matter.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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mic said:
Another load of bullst, very few on here actually know what's going on. Clearly
they have too much time on their hands. If you think production is down you know nothing!
And you're better informed are you!?

9 week delays on kits isn't good. You'd have to be a complete fool (?) To not see what's happening at CC.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp5782 said:
Ask the guys over on BC that have just been informed of 9 week delays for the reasons I've already stated.
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Can you give an example?

Are you saying I've been lucky to get what I ordered when it was promised or has this trouble only recently developed?

BertBert

19,039 posts

211 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp5782 said:
mic said:
Another load of bullst, very few on here actually know what's going on. Clearly
they have too much time on their hands. If you think production is down you know nothing!
And you're better informed are you!?

9 week delays on kits isn't good. You'd have to be a complete fool (?) To not see what's happening at CC.
Well, there is just a slight chance that Mic knows what it's like at the factory given his rather long connection with the company. What are your credentials? Just read a bit of scaremongering on a forum or do you have actual knowledge?
Bert

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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That's exactly what I was asking wasn't it, or did you just want to jump in with a little poison (as you so frequently do)

mic

376 posts

233 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp said "And you're better informed are you!?"

Suggest you do some homework smile

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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mic said:
Chrisp said "And you're better informed are you!?"

Suggest you do some homework smile
I don't claim to be, cryptically or not. I'm stating an opinion, I'm entitled to that am I not?

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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REALIST123 said:
Can you give an example?

Are you saying I've been lucky to get what I ordered when it was promised or has this trouble only recently developed?
As I understand it some customers have just been informed of the delays.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp5782 said:
REALIST123 said:
Can you give an example?

Are you saying I've been lucky to get what I ordered when it was promised or has this trouble only recently developed?
As I understand it some customers have just been informed of the delays.
No factual examples then? Not saying there aren't any, and I wouldn't be surprised if lead times are going out but I can only speak about my experience which has been good.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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I'm not saying your experience has been anything but good, but if you look at BC there is a thread titled "order delays

QUOTE -"Umm, cant say i'm too happy but this morning, I have had an email from caterham midlands stating that due to supply problems and shortages my order has been pushed back another 4 weeks to mid feb. Guess i'll have to be a bit more patient,... (I placed my order in may) Anyone else been contacted? - See more at: http://www.lotus7.club/forum/chitchat/order-delays...

There's plenty more after that in the thread.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Well i've had a chat with Caterham midlands and although very apologetic were a bit cagey about the real reason for the delays it seems that there are pushbacks across the range from the 160 to the 620, the delays range from 3 weeks to 9 weeks and I got the impression that there may be further delays but I really hope that is not the case! - See more at: http://www.lotus7.club/forum/chitchat/order-delays...

From the same thread.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Fair enough, seems something's afoot.....

Chrisp5782

630 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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REALIST123 said:
Fair enough, seems something's afoot.....
I really hope not and its something of nothing.......I hope I'm very wrong with my assumptions.

BertBert

19,039 posts

211 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Chrisp5782 said:
That's exactly what I was asking wasn't it, or did you just want to jump in with a little poison (as you so frequently do)
Nice jibe. However, if you actually knew anything you'd probably know a little bit about who Mic is. There's nothing like a load of internet rumouring to make life hard for companies. I know nothing about Caterham's current state so can't comment, but assumptions, unwarranted connections and chinese whispers of he said, she said are far more poisonous than me casting aspersions on what you actually know.
Bert