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rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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I heard that the people who run the group had been very rude about Jonathan Kay who posts on Blatchat. I hear that the person who was banned had objected to that. I also heard that the people who run the group had invited him to 'fk off' on the forum.

If that's inaccurate, I guess the people who run the group will post on here to correct it and put it to bed once and for all. If they don't, then it must be true.

That's why I wouldn't go near the FB group.

Krismuss

92 posts

186 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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I also heard that the people who run the group had invited him to 'fk off' on the forum.

Not true for my part and I'm one of the two 'admins' on the tech & marketplace pages (was also admin on the general page at that time).

Chris

Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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rubystone said:
I heard that the people who run the group had been very rude about Jonathan Kay who posts on Blatchat. I hear that the person who was banned had objected to that. I also heard that the people who run the group had invited him to 'fk off' on the forum.

If that's inaccurate, I guess the people who run the group will post on here to correct it and put it to bed once and for all. If they don't, then it must be true.

That's why I wouldn't go near the FB group.
I shouldn't believe everything you hear and I'm tired of hearing about it from people who aren't involved who's only interest is to cause further drama.




Edited by Chrisp5782 on Tuesday 19th May 23:32

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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rubystone said:
I heard that the people who run the group had been very rude about Jonathan Kay who posts on Blatchat. I hear that the person who was banned had objected to that. I also heard that the people who run the group had invited him to 'fk off' on the forum.
I heard I'm the next James Bond. I can't wait.

rubystone said:
If that's inaccurate, I guess the people who run the group will post on here to correct it and put it to bed once and for all. If they don't, then it must be true.
What's make you so certain those who run the FB group will be along to defend themselves, especially to someone naive enough to believe everything they "heard" via the Internet?
"If they don't deny it it must be true".....wow, not heard that since primary school.rolleyes
Given Chris's post above I trust you'll be posting a full and unreserved apology for your apparently unfounded accusations?

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 20th May 00:51

ghibbett

1,900 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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As a member of PH, L7C and the Caterham FB page, I would like to say that in my experience thus far the FB page has been superb.

I didn't see this supposed 'fracas' that's mentioned above - and I'm a regular FB user - thus it must have been sorted out very quickly. The FB page to me is one of (very) friendly Seven-related content, whether it be sharing pictures of our pride & joy, buying & selling items (it's superb for this!) or just general Seven Q&A.

Are people who do not use FB missing out? Maybe. Maybe not. Only they can decide, however to criticise it without prior experience is somewhat short-sighted and not great for the wider Seven community as a whole.

Anyway, on a different note, here's a picture I took of my Seven the other day thumbup




Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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I will respond to give this some balance -

On a day when the L7C website was down the comment "Maybe JK has killed it with link overload?" was made - in jest and with no malicious intent (I've shown the comment to JK himself in the interest of transparency)

Potentially misjudged but hardly internet bullying as you would be led to believe, the thread then moved onto to other things quite rapidly.

The individual complained about the post, as he is welcome to do, saying he didn't like people poking fun at others on the net - fair comment, until it was pointed out to him that he had done the same thing on the L7C forums regarding a badly spelt advert on eBay.

When it was pointed out he might be displaying a bit of a double standard he became rude and abusive - for the sake of harmony he was removed as was the post, I don't want anyone offended (as I did with the post Philip was upset by).

Since the event I've received abusive emails, BC comments and BM messages from the individual. He might have been reinstated had he contacted me rather than set about to destroy the group publicly with a very one sided version of events.

I've had to speak to L7C management about the situation due to how bad its got of late.

The individual is suffering from a case of sour grapes I'm afraid, he isn't allowed back but might have been had he approached things in a different way.

I realise this whole situation plays into the hands of you who don't "like" FB or change, or anything you see as different to the L7C but I can't say it often enough - the FB page is there to support and augment the Club, not compete with it.

I'm a paid up member of the L7C as are the majority on my page, I organise events for my page and the L7C and I'm in the process of securing a previously untapped venue for club sprints - hardly actions of a bloke trying to derail the club!

This situation has become bigger than it needs be and its detracting from both groups and it would be nice to draw a line under the whole issue.

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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[quote=Crossflow Kid]
What's make you so certain those who run the FB group will be along to defend themselves, especially to someone naive enough to believe everything they "heard" via the Internet?
"If they don't deny it it must be true".....wow, not heard that since primary school.rolleyes
Given Chris's post above I trust you'll be posting a full and unreserved apology for your apparently unfounded accusations?

Edited by Crossflow Kid on Wednesday 20th May 00:51
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'Toby and Christian started posting abusive stuff about me on 3 forums, and Stridey objected.'

Can't be clearer than that, can it?

Stridey

342 posts

106 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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For the sake of 'balance'... and also wanting to 'draw a line under the issue', but not on Christians terms....

Sadly it would seem Christian wants to continue some rather unbalanced views on this forum too.

The issue started when Christian posted rude and defamatory, bullying comments about a L7Forum member, starting a thread on the Facebook page he runs. Christian named JK in full, on a forum he had no access to. This brought out the usual cabal of cliquey cohorts who posted rude comments about him. These were left unchallenged by Christian.

I said this made me feel uncomfortable, and explained why when challenged. This led to a 'f*** Off' comment posted by Christian. I was also sent a message from a page admin (Arnie Webb) who told me in no uncertain terms what he thought of anyone who supported JK and also that if he had the contacts he would make sure JK lost his job. Nice.

I was blocked and banned for my trouble. No explanation, no warning, no message. I thought it was a mistake. Perhaps a technical issue. I was definitely confused as to the reasoning.

I have since been contacted by other members of L7club who have also been banned and blocked, not just the management team who were banned en masse. One blocked person disagreed with Christians comments regarding issues at Caterham Cars. This person happens to work at Caterham and has family members there too... so perhaps would be more informed and concerned about spurious uninformed conjecture from Christian going unchallenged. For his trouble he was blocked and banned.

It now seems Christian took deep exception to a post I made on the 'Humour' section of L7forum, a copy/pasted advert from Ebay with possibly the worst spelling I'd ever seen. I did not in any way identify the writer. (seen similar on Pistoheads many times) He said I was making fun of people with special needs. I was not, would not, and disagreed with his opinion. I thought it could be left at that, a minor disagreement. A difference of opinion. Thats life.

It is clear that as Christian has Admin rights over the Facebook page any disagreement with his views can lead to blocking and banning, the 'this issue is closed' replies, the 'I will not read replies' messages. I also had the 'I do a lot for the club, what do YOU do' line.... As a relatively new owner, and member of the L7club for a year, I have helped people on technical issues I can help with, and also used my skills as photo re-toucher to do colour ways for various owners , including Christian (!) and also re-touched free of charge some photos of one members granny for her funeral service.

Christian also says it could have been sorted out earlier. This I agree with. As he blocked me I could not contact him through Facebook (he seems not to understand this), and PM'd him through Blatchat, the L7forum method. I wrote to him on March the 6th. The next was on May 3rd when I had had no reply.

March 6th ....Can I ask if you have blocked me from the Facebook page? If you haven't and I got things completely wrong please forgive me.. its just odd I can no longer see the pages....Michael

As far as I am concerned I was blocked from the Facebook group for saying that naming people in full on the Facebook page on bullying threads was making me uncomfortable. I enjoyed the Facebook page and the people who posted there. I understand the difference between 'banter' and 'bullying'....

I have recently spent a lot of time in hospital and one of my (few) pleasures was reading and looking at the internet forums, interacting, reading about other peoples rides, also the tech and buying pages from which I am also blocked. I was unable to keep in touch with some local owners who had just got Caterhams like me, which I found really frustrating.

I have been left completely amazed at Christians actions, wondering what I and others have really done to be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment. I think there must be a deeper issue revolving around the inability to handle any criticism, or the need to be accepted by a small group with an odd agenda against a few individuals who have been around the Seven 'Scene' for much longer than I have, to which I am unable and perhaps unwilling to understand.




Edited by Stridey on Wednesday 20th May 08:49

Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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rubystone said:
Crossflow Kid said:
What's make you so certain those who run the FB group will be along to defend themselves, especially to someone naive enough to believe everything they "heard" via the Internet?
"If they don't deny it it must be true".....wow, not heard that since primary school.rolleyes
Given Chris's post above I trust you'll be posting a full and unreserved apology for your apparently unfounded accusations?

Edited by Crossflow Kid on Wednesday 20th May 00:51
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'Toby and Christian started posting abusive stuff about me on 3 forums, and Stridey objected.'

Can't be clearer than that, can it?
Utter rubbish - sadly JK can only run on what he's been told by Mr Stride who, sadly, has an axe to grind.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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DDg said:
Chrisp5782 said:
I shouldn't believe everything you hear and I'm tired of hearing about it from people who aren't involved who's only interest is to cause further drama.
Crossflow Kid said:
Given Chris's post above I trust you'll be posting a full and unreserved apology for your apparently unfounded accusations?
Crossflow Kid, from Christian's post, I can't see that he has denied the allegation that Rubystone made.....
Oh FFS.
Not that, This......

Krismuss said:
I also heard that the people who run the group had invited him to 'fk off' on the forum.

Not true for my part and I'm one of the two 'admins' on the tech & marketplace pages (was also admin on the general page at that time).

Chris
rolleyes

Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Stridey said:
For the sake of 'balance'... and also wanting to 'draw a line under the issue, but not on Christians terms....

Sadly it would seem Christian wants to continue some rather unbalanced views on this forum too.

The issue started when Christian posted rude and defamatory, bullying comments about a L7Forum member, starting a thread on the Facebook page he runs. Christian named JK in full, on a forum he had no access to. This brought out the usual cabal of cliquey cohorts who posted rude comments about him. These were left unchallenged by Christian.

I said this made me feel uncomfortable, and explained why when challenged. This led to a 'f*** Off' comment posted by Christian. I was also sent a message from a page admin (Arnie Webb) who told me in no uncertain terms what he thought of anyone who supported JW and also that if he had the contacts he would make sure JW lost his job. Nice.

I was blocked and banned for my trouble. No explanation, no warning, no message. I thought it was a mistake. Perhaps a technical issue. I was definitely confused as to the reasoning.

I have since been contacted by other members of L7club who have also been banned and blocked, not just the management team who were banned en masse. One blocked person disagreed with Christians comments regarding issues at Caterham Cars. This person happens to work at Caterham and has family members there too... so perhaps would be more informed and concerned about spurious uninformed conjecture from Christian going unchallenged. For his trouble he was blocked and banned.

It now seems Christian took deep exception to a post I made on the 'Humour' section of L7forum, a copy/pasted advert from Ebay with possibly the worst spelling I'd ever seen. (seen similar on Pistoheads many times) He said I was making fun of people with special needs. I was not, would not, and disagreed with his opinion. I thought it could be left at that, a minor disagreement. A difference of opinion. Thats life.

It is clear that as Christian has Admin rights over the Facebook page any disagreement with his views can lead to blocking and banning, the 'this issue is closed' replies, the 'I will not read replies' messages. I also had the 'I do a lot for the club, what do YOU do' line.... As a relatively new owner, and member of the L7club for a year, I have helped people on technical issues I can help with, and also used my skills as photo re-toucher to do colour ways for various owners , including Christian (!) and also re-touched free of charge some photos of one members granny for her funeral service.

Christian also says it could have been sorted out earlier. This I agree with. As he blocked me I could not contact him through Facebook (he seems not to understand this), and PM'd him through Blatchat, the L7forum method. I wrote to him on March the 6th. The next was on May 3rd when I had had no reply.

March 6th ....Can I ask if you have blocked me from the Facebook page? If you haven't and I got things completely wrong please forgive me.. its just odd I can no longer see the pages....Michael

As far as I am concerned I was blocked from the Facebook group for saying that naming people in full on the Facebook page on bullying threads was making me uncomfortable. I enjoyed the Facebook page and the people who posted there. I understand the difference between 'banter' and 'bullying'....

I have recently spent a lot of time in hospital and one of my (few) pleasures was reading and looking at the internet forums, interacting, reading about other peoples rides, also the tech and buying pages from which I am also blocked. I was unable to keep in touch with some local owners who had just got Caterhams like me, which I found really frustrating.

I have been left completely amazed at Christians actions, wondering what I and others have really done to be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment. I think there must be a deeper issue revolving around the inability to handle any criticism, or the need to be accepted by a small group with an odd agenda against a few individuals who have been around the Seven 'Scene' for much longer than I have, to which I am unable and perhaps unwilling to understand.
Even with your slightly obscure version of events Mr stride there may be some truth - the banning of members by other (now no longer admins) has been brought to my attention and has been addressed on the L7 forums.

You're quite correct about the banning of Mick, he was unpleasant to me and others on this forum (an arguement Ruby was involved in) and as a result wasn't welcome on the page, he is now a member of all three pages and has been for sometime after a brief discussion with AW. The banning of MT wasn't my call and is part of the reason the three pages have seperated, there are now plenty of MT on the original page - I've no axe to grind with the MT.

If AW made comments to you I was unaware of then I can do nothing about it - he's his own man and his view or opinions don't match mine a lot of the time.

I've stated on this forum the comment made and I've sent it to JK for him to review.

The comment wasn't bullying of any kind - if it offended you so much you might consider growing a slightly thicker skin, there's far worse goes on in this forum.

You're banned - you'll remain banned not so much due to the initial fracas but due to your continued harrasment of members of the group (on that note please stop contacting Ian Payne - he has a business to run).

I understand you'll try to rubbish the group as much as you can because you're not allowed to be involved, you'll feed the fire on here to a crowd that don't get FB and don't like it and will quickly rally to your cause without understanding what an unpleasant individual you really are, I won't publish the messages you've sent me in order to spare your blushes and in the hope that this can finally be laid to rest.

I've messaged JK and apologised unreservedly if anything written about him was upsetting or out of order. JK does set himself up a bit but I wouldn't want him to be offended - banter is banter but it can be taken the wrong way and I'm keen he's not put out.

As for you being in hospital, well I'm sorry to hear that but we've all got things going on and this is taking up far too much of everyones time.

We are where we are Michael - nothing is going to change so lets just leave it there.

Stridey

342 posts

106 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Can't you just un ban me and be the bigger man?

FYI I contacted Ian Payne as he is an admin on the Facebook page, I was unaware he was also the owner of PT Sportscars.

I asked if as admin he could un ban me and he said yes. I replied to him explaining there might be an issue with you disagreeing with this, as I did not want to be instated behind your back.

I heard nothing further.

Evidently I am a deeply unpleasant individual. Thanks for that.

Edited by Stridey on Wednesday 20th May 09:31

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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I have taken the mickey out of JK in the past here, FB and on BC and I've also done it on some of his posts and he's never reacted badly in fact he's even laughed at it so not sure what rudeness he's referring to. I've even in the past emailed him to say that he should return to posting on BC which has.
I like the FB page and I also used to like the old format BC but things change and life moves on.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Stridey said:
Can't you just un ban me and be the bigger man?
Thats the driver here isn't it - you're not outraged at comments made, you're not defending JK (you're not really in a position to after the comments you've made), you're just mad you're banned and as a result you're trying to smash a resource for 7 owners thats taken me an age to build.

Every internet forum or page has it's issues and you can't please all the people all the time but it doesn't help when trouble makers like you get involved. It's bloody hard building up something to then watch someone try to destroy it on the back of one incident.

Stop being a spoilt child and accept the situation as it stands.

If, instead of trying to rubbish me and the group, you had approached me in a slightly less aggresive manner this might have been sorted out, but you took the path you did which puts us here today.

Stridey

342 posts

106 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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How many times do you need to hear it...

I DID attempt to smooth things over. You ignored the initial message and also gave the 'I will not read replies' at the first instance.

I have not tried to destroy the Facebook page, how on earth could I? I enjoyed it, a fact you seem unwilling to understand.

It would appear to be your own personal fiefdom.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Wow. Just wow.
If this is a Facebook thing, report it to Facebook big brother and if they support the grievance the page will get taken down.
By the way, there are lots of (allegedly) nasty things said by lots of (allegedly) nasty people about other (allegedly) nasty people on lots of websites.
Good luck dealing with them all.
And being offended by something doesn't automatically make someone right.

Stridey

342 posts

106 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Crossflowkid, yes, that the thing. I expressed an opinion. I wasn't going to report it, or try to get the Facebook page blocked. I disagreed with one post, on one subject. I can take a disagreement, a difference of opinion, but self enforced censorship clearly is not my style.

For my trouble I was told to 'F*** Off'.

I was banned straight away. Booted off a forum I enjoyed. No explanation. Any attempt at an explanation was ignored, now we get the 'your banned because you wanted a explanation' line...

I am considering re-spraying the nose of my Caterham Brown as I think that is what some people in the C7 'Scene' want.





Edited by Stridey on Wednesday 20th May 09:58

Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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In some way Michael I suppose I should thank you - you should see the ammount of traffic on the FB page as a result of this debate...........oh thats right, you can't.

(Take a deep breath and relax wink)

Stridey

342 posts

106 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Good for you.

Though I do suspect your trying to be sarcastic, or cruel. Or both.

As I have said, I enjoyed the page(s).

If blocking me makes you happy, I'd suggest you do some navel gazing on a couch.

Chrisp5782

630 posts

137 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Stridey said:
Good for you.

Though I do suspect your trying to be sarcastic, or cruel. Or both.

As I have said, I enjoyed the page(s).

If blocking me makes you happy, I'd suggest you do some navel gazing on a couch.
I like that but my time would be better spent gazing at FB.