R500 Losing oil pressure whilst on track!

R500 Losing oil pressure whilst on track!

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Darumvej

186 posts

138 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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I was Croft a few weeks back and after half a dozen laps the oil temp got to 115c.

I have a solid type sender screwed into the dry sump tank and mechanical oil pressure gauge, the oil pressure only dropped slightly even at this temp.

What viscosity oil are you using.

Ducati07

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202 posts

222 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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I'm using Comma 5W50. Figured the tolerances should be fine with only 1100 miles after a refresh.

Ducati07

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202 posts

222 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Ps is there a higher viscosity oil i should be using?! I haven't come across anything.

Ducati07

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202 posts

222 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Okay so Opie oils stock a Fuchs Race Pro S 10w60 which is ester based - guessing that might be worth a go?

BertBert

19,052 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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yes or the Miller's equivalent.

But back to your original problem, you need to work out whether your oil pressure went down or whether it was a measuring/instrument problem. If the OP actually went down, your engine (or perhaps pump) is knackered. You may have had oil level too low, but the low OP will have damaged the engine. Or the pressure went down because of an engine problem. Either way a rebuild is in the offing.

If the measurement failed, then that just needs to be fixed (fingers crossed).

And (in fear of sounding a condescending tt), my recommendation is that if the OP dies, you should turn the engine off, not drive it to the pits and leave it idling!

Bert

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Fresh Comma 5w50 should be OK and I wouldn't go to a 10w60 yet (if at all), but knowing the previous history, and what has happened in those 1100 miles, would be useful. It is possible that the oil is the original since rebuild and I know from experience that Comma can shear down to something more like 5w30 pretty quickly. An oil change with a good quality (ester based) oil would be my first move.

More generally, I think there are too many unknowns here to make any conclusive judgement. A newly refreshed engine, you being new to the car, first time on track, etc, etc. You really need to get some more miles on the engine and get to know it better and monitor oil pressure behavior. An engine refresh is no guarantee of all being in tolerance and its general condition may not allow it to be treated like a zero hour example. If oil pressure did drop as low as you suggest, then I doubt it would have survived. The chances are it just got lower than the threshold of your warning settings - after track driving, that's normal at idle, but maybe not at driving speeds.

Edited by DCL on Wednesday 5th August 08:31

fergus

6,430 posts

275 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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BertBert said:
you need to work out whether your oil pressure went down or whether it was a measuring/instrument problem. If the OP actually went down, your engine (or perhaps pump) is knackered. You may have had oil level too low, but the low OP will have damaged the engine. Or the pressure went down because of an engine problem. Either way a rebuild is in the offing.
+1.

I'd support what Graham says above. You need to find the cause of the issue, not trying to address symptoms. It could be something innocuous, but better to be prudent where OP is concerned IMHO.

Ducati07

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202 posts

222 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Chaps,

Thanks for all the advice, much appreciated. I will do an oil change, change the sender and monitor closely and keep my fingers crossed its a sensor issue!

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Pro S is the way to go. I had something similar on my R500 and it was the sender. I always checked my oil with engine warm and running. Had to make a dipstick out of 12 inches of bamboo....

BertBert

19,052 posts

211 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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rubystone said:
I always checked my oil with engine warm and running.
Then you is confused. The correct method has already been posted.
Bert

james7

594 posts

255 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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BertBert said:
rubystone said:
I always checked my oil with engine warm and running.
Then you is confused. The correct method has already been posted.
Bert
Dont know if my memory is failing me but didnt they do a modified tank/top bit? And one had a dipstick and one didnt? Maybe they had a different procedure for checking each one?

BertBert

19,052 posts

211 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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The dipstick in the top was completely useless and mostly fell out anyway.

The dip from the bottom method, hot and stopped was what Minister said was the way!

Bert

downsman

1,099 posts

156 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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Unless you can prove to your satisfaction that it was a sender/electrical problem, I wouldn't run the engine again without at least removing the sump and having a look at the bearings. Better a rebuild now than a thrown rod and new engine as if the pressure did drop on track, there will be damage frown

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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BertBert said:
The dipstick in the top was completely useless and mostly fell out anyway.

The dip from the bottom method, hot and stopped was what Minister said was the way!

Bert
Stewart rebuilt my engine (what a waste of talent...he's now an electrician, I'm given to understand) 'twas him that told me to dip it whilst running....if Graeme had told me, I might have questioned him....but Stewart..an artist.....so it could well have depended on who at Minister gave you your advice, Graham....I don't think I ever heard David utter more than 3 words when I was in his presence, mind smile