Appalling 'Levante': in name and appearance
Discussion
rubystone said:
Having read your contributions to this thread, Nigel, I can now understand why quite a lot of people I speak to consider you a d
head.
Apologies, all, I just had to get that off my chest.
Really? I thought that was a fairly standard open question considering I don't know, or beacuse it has been so long since the original,information was posted, that I genuinely can't recall the information! head.Apologies, all, I just had to get that off my chest.
Pdelamare said:
They are, mine is a one-off started as a project by the late Richard Lee (RiF Carbon) and RS, I bought it half completed and finished it off. It's been tough, taken two years and a whole boat load of money, but it's almost there. The chassis is modified by Arch to accept the motor and a few other bits, like the SPA dashboard. It also has a superwide Freestyle front end and SV de Dion back end.
Standard Levantes weigh in around 600kg or so, mine is 530kg.
Peter, many thanks for that, appreciate you clarifying my question.Standard Levantes weigh in around 600kg or so, mine is 530kg.
I did not think my question was an insult, and I am sure you did not think so either, despite what some people may think and comment to the contrary, but it was a genuine question, which I apreciate you taking the time to answer.
nigelpugh7 said:
Peter, many thanks for that, appreciate you clarifying my question.
I did not think my question was an insult, and I am sure you did not think so either, despite what some people may think and comment to the contrary, but it was a genuine question, which I apreciate you taking the time to answer.
It was about your inference that Russ had folded the business because he hadn't built the cars round a standard chassis. Despite others proving you were talking out of your backside, you haven't even bothered to address that. Apologise to him, not Peter.I did not think my question was an insult, and I am sure you did not think so either, despite what some people may think and comment to the contrary, but it was a genuine question, which I apreciate you taking the time to answer.
rubystone said:
It was about your inference that Russ had folded the business because he hadn't built the cars round a standard chassis. Despite others proving you were talking out of your backside, you haven't even bothered to address that. Apologise to him, not Peter.
Don't think i infered that at all though did I?And who should I be apologising too exactly and why?
My comment said that I believed that RS Performance went out of business did it not?
Subsequent posters confirmed that he choose to wind up his business,,and at his own choice declared the business status as dissolved?
It seems that you know very little about companies and the legalities of trading, so could I suggest you look up the the legal status of any company that is dissolved by its owner?
'If only they could have just left it looking like a pretty standard bodied seven, they might have even sold some more and not gone out of business so quickly!'
Here's what you wrote.
Pretty clear I think.
The reasons why Russ dissolved the company have nothing to do with what you infer.
No wonder you're thought of as a prize tt by many.
Here's what you wrote.
Pretty clear I think.
The reasons why Russ dissolved the company have nothing to do with what you infer.
No wonder you're thought of as a prize t
t by many.rubystone said:
'If only they could have just left it looking like a pretty standard bodied seven, they might have even sold some more and not gone out of business so quickly!'
Here's what you wrote.
Pretty clear I think.
The reasons why Russ dissolved the company have nothing to do with what you infer.
No wonder you're thought of as a prize tt by many.
I am sure many people may think that of me, but thanks for pointing it out!Here's what you wrote.
Pretty clear I think.
The reasons why Russ dissolved the company have nothing to do with what you infer.
No wonder you're thought of as a prize t
t by many.I am sure that RS Performance, ceased trading, dissolved the company, stopped selling a product that was a failed sales product success, because the company had made so much profit that it could not cope with all the orders they had on the order books.
May I suggest that you have a personal connection to the owner of the failed company of the products we are discussing in this thread, and that you are ever so slightly biased?.
The fact remains that despite a great piece of engineering on these cars, pretty much everyone thought they were *hit, hence why no one bought them, and at a Wild guess, could be the reason why. Not enough cars were sold to justify the business carrying on trading.
But of course as you say, it didn't go out of business, it was just " dissolved " , which lots of really successful businesses regularly do , and by that I mean pretty much never! LOL.
nigelpugh7 said:
I am sure many people may think that of me, but thanks for pointing it out!
I am sure that RS Performance, ceased trading, dissolved the company, stopped selling a product that was a failed sales product success, because the company had made so much profit that it could not cope with all the orders they had on the order books.
May I suggest that you have a personal connection to the owner of the failed company of the products we are discussing in this thread, and that you are ever so slightly biased?.
The fact remains that despite a great piece of engineering on these cars, pretty much everyone thought they were *hit, hence why no one bought them, and at a Wild guess, could be the reason why. Not enough cars were sold to justify the business carrying on trading.
But of course as you say, it didn't go out of business, it was just " dissolved " , which lots of really successful businesses regularly do , and by that I mean pretty much never! LOL.
You're a T W A T . And if I find that you are still involved in any official capacity with L7CB I'm resigning my membership tomorrow out of principal. I'll mail Martin now.I am sure that RS Performance, ceased trading, dissolved the company, stopped selling a product that was a failed sales product success, because the company had made so much profit that it could not cope with all the orders they had on the order books.
May I suggest that you have a personal connection to the owner of the failed company of the products we are discussing in this thread, and that you are ever so slightly biased?.
The fact remains that despite a great piece of engineering on these cars, pretty much everyone thought they were *hit, hence why no one bought them, and at a Wild guess, could be the reason why. Not enough cars were sold to justify the business carrying on trading.
But of course as you say, it didn't go out of business, it was just " dissolved " , which lots of really successful businesses regularly do , and by that I mean pretty much never! LOL.
I'm not connected with RS, but regard Russell as a friend and an honourable guy. His reasons for pulling out have nothing to do with the success or otherwise of the cars.
rubystone said:
You're a T W A T . And if I find that you are still involved in any official capacity with L7CB I'm resigning my membership tomorrow out of principal. I'll mail Martin now.
I'm not connected with RS, but regard Russell as a friend and an honourable guy. His reasons for pulling out have nothing to do with the success or otherwise of the cars.
Sorry you feel that way, but everyone is entitled to voice an opinion, but can't understand why you have decided to resort to calling me all sorts of names when you don't know me!I'm not connected with RS, but regard Russell as a friend and an honourable guy. His reasons for pulling out have nothing to do with the success or otherwise of the cars.
Still that's the Internet for you I guess, lots of people happy to slag people off from behind a keyboard.
And you will be pleased to know I have no official capacity with the L7 Club, I am just a standard member.
Of course you are entitled to do what ever you want with your membership but may I suggest that your are over reacting, we were just having a debate about the Levante models and their various merits, some good some not so good!
nigelpugh7 said:
we were just having a debate about the Levante models and their various merits, some good some not so good!
I suggest that you think before you post then. You have stated strongly that the dissolution of the company was a sign that it had failed, and that it had failed because, in your view, it used the chassis of the SV. It's a bit like me inferring from the Companies House report on Optimal Communications Network Limited, that you are the MD of an insolvent company. I'm sure that isn't true, but the bare figures would support my 'inference'.
Blimey, this is all getting a bit... http://sniffpetrol.com/2015/11/20/ask-a-total-pric...
rubystone said:
I suggest that you think before you post then. You have stated strongly that the dissolution of the company was a sign that it had failed, and that it had failed because, in your view, it used the chassis of the SV.
Again as a bystander, whilst unguarded throw-aways should definitely be avoided, I don't think he did actually say that.He actually said it was ugly and might have been more successful if it had looked like a pretty standard bodied seven
nigelpugh7 said:
If only they could have just left it looking like a pretty standard bodied seven...
rubystone said:
nigelpugh7 said:
we were just having a debate about the Levante models and their various merits, some good some not so good!
I suggest that you think before you post then. You have stated strongly that the dissolution of the company was a sign that it had failed, and that it had failed because, in your view, it used the chassis of the SV. It's a bit like me inferring from the Companies House report on Optimal Communications Network Limited, that you are the MD of an insolvent company. I'm sure that isn't true, but the bare figures would support my 'inference'.
Edited by justleanitupabit on Monday 23 November 14:40
And there was me thinking "Jesus, having bought a Caterham, there is no-one to talk to on t'internet as this forum is dead"... A great read guys.
Personally, I like the one at S&C, but it has been there a long while. I'm no expert, but it can only be the price or the drive/experience putting people off. I don't think looks are so much of a factor when considering a car like that.
It is both out of my price range and beyond my driving ability in any event.
Personally, I like the one at S&C, but it has been there a long while. I'm no expert, but it can only be the price or the drive/experience putting people off. I don't think looks are so much of a factor when considering a car like that.
It is both out of my price range and beyond my driving ability in any event.
As this thread is still going, I have an update on the car from Sunday.
Ditched the BTB exhausts as they was just way too loud and heavy. Now have Raceco silencers which have reduced noise by 10db and weight by 7kg. The car now weighs 530kg.
Still suffering from black flags due to the downshift engine kill causing bangs, I need a fix for this as I think it's actually quiet enough to go to most tracks now if it wasn't for the pops and bangs. The Pectel SQ6 ECU can cut fuel as well as sparks on downshift, but only if its controlling the gearbox, which is isn't... the Geartronic GCU is still doing that.
We've also fixed a few issues, the supercharger oil tank no longer blows oil out, I've got a whole set of slicks on, the car has been corner weighted and feels good, no longer turns itself off or overheats. This was the first real attempt at a whole day in it since buying it.
Latest pics and video from Silverstone are below. I'd managed to go out and beach it in the gravel trap at Vale early in the day when I totally failed to slow enough as I locked the front tyres, so playing with the bias and letting off the throttle early and coasting into corners was the order of the day, as evidenced in the video. Having to wait for the JCB to arrive to dig oneself out of a gravel trap is somewhat embarrassing and wasted 15 mins of everyone else's track time so I really didn't want to do it again.
Picking a braking spot in this car is actually hard as you're approaching it in a fury of noise, speed and utter fear, I found it easy in the R400, but this car is very intimidating to drive right now, hopefully when the warmth comes back I can try again. I'm obviously painfully slow in the straight/corner transition, but mid corner speeds on some corners (Luffield/Woodcote for instance) are comparable with R300 race cars. My best lap of 2:26 even wobbling around is still faster than the entry level Academy/Roadsport stuff, and 4 seconds away from R300s. Copse, complex, abbey/farm are a bit scary in 1 or 2 degree weather.
Radical RXC was up my chuff through the complex, left it behind down Hanger, but let it go into Stowe, not that I had much choice, I've never seen a car take corners as fast as that did.
Driver and passenger weigh 200kg combined, a 70kg race driver by himself would have a good time in this car.
https://youtu.be/UiHZrm9_Y9w
Ditched the BTB exhausts as they was just way too loud and heavy. Now have Raceco silencers which have reduced noise by 10db and weight by 7kg. The car now weighs 530kg.
Still suffering from black flags due to the downshift engine kill causing bangs, I need a fix for this as I think it's actually quiet enough to go to most tracks now if it wasn't for the pops and bangs. The Pectel SQ6 ECU can cut fuel as well as sparks on downshift, but only if its controlling the gearbox, which is isn't... the Geartronic GCU is still doing that.
We've also fixed a few issues, the supercharger oil tank no longer blows oil out, I've got a whole set of slicks on, the car has been corner weighted and feels good, no longer turns itself off or overheats. This was the first real attempt at a whole day in it since buying it.
Latest pics and video from Silverstone are below. I'd managed to go out and beach it in the gravel trap at Vale early in the day when I totally failed to slow enough as I locked the front tyres, so playing with the bias and letting off the throttle early and coasting into corners was the order of the day, as evidenced in the video. Having to wait for the JCB to arrive to dig oneself out of a gravel trap is somewhat embarrassing and wasted 15 mins of everyone else's track time so I really didn't want to do it again.
Picking a braking spot in this car is actually hard as you're approaching it in a fury of noise, speed and utter fear, I found it easy in the R400, but this car is very intimidating to drive right now, hopefully when the warmth comes back I can try again. I'm obviously painfully slow in the straight/corner transition, but mid corner speeds on some corners (Luffield/Woodcote for instance) are comparable with R300 race cars. My best lap of 2:26 even wobbling around is still faster than the entry level Academy/Roadsport stuff, and 4 seconds away from R300s. Copse, complex, abbey/farm are a bit scary in 1 or 2 degree weather.
Radical RXC was up my chuff through the complex, left it behind down Hanger, but let it go into Stowe, not that I had much choice, I've never seen a car take corners as fast as that did.
Driver and passenger weigh 200kg combined, a 70kg race driver by himself would have a good time in this car.
https://youtu.be/UiHZrm9_Y9w
Edited by Pdelamare on Tuesday 24th November 19:46
panickyjabofoppo said:
"Picking a braking spot in this car is actually hard as you're approaching it in a fury of noise, speed and utter fear".
Excellent wordage. The acceleration in the videos looks bottom-puckeringly terrifying.
Haha thank you. I need to train my brain to process the information I'm seeing quickly enough in order to be able to drive it properly. It's a bit of a blur at the moment. This the first real proper chance I'd had to drive it and as I'd already found that it covers a lot of ground very quickly as I'd sailed way past where I thought I should brake all locked up at Vale and buried it nicely into the gravel trap. I'm sure when I'm more familiar with it in summer where the front tyres have a chance at working I'll be able to drive it better. Excellent wordage. The acceleration in the videos looks bottom-puckeringly terrifying.
dsl2 said:
Well done to you for having the balls to take on this project & see it through to completion, excellent!
Thank you. 
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