Caterham Fraud,Stolen, Ringed, Scam, Help.

Caterham Fraud,Stolen, Ringed, Scam, Help.

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scubadude

2,618 posts

196 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Confused- surely you still have your registration documents, dated prior to the "new owner" which trump his with regards authenticity? If you use your car with your reg who can stop you? Surely the DVLA must correct their error- I would go to the local office and demand an on the spot fix.

DCL

1,215 posts

178 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I few years back I re-shelled a Mini Marcos after some accident damage and sold on the damaged shell as spares. The car reappeared with the same identity some time later, but it was issued with a new number when it came to light - the DVLA were much more accommodating and pragmatic in those days.

I suspect this is a duplicate chassis, probably due to a chassis repair at some time in the past. A replaced chassis should be scraped but was quite possibly rebuilt (for track use?). There may be no fault by either party, and it may just be an attempt to register both cars that has resulted in this 'merging' of the identity. The car with the best claim to the identity is best left to the DVLA to resolve.


Edited by DCL on Thursday 5th May 09:36

longshot

3,286 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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scubadude said:
Confused- surely you still have your registration documents, dated prior to the "new owner" which trump his with regards authenticity? If you use your car with your reg who can stop you? Surely the DVLA must correct their error- I would go to the local office and demand an on the spot fix.
They closed the local offices.
Bloody shame as it was great talking to a human being.

MrMoonyMan

2,582 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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R8Steve said:
Surely it's their fault then and they should rectify it?
Nothing is ever, nor has ever been or will be, the DVLAs fault.

Skyedriver

17,667 posts

281 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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So is the OPs or the "imposter" car a re-shell?
Just smell something a bit halibut about all of this.

DCL

1,215 posts

178 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Skyedriver said:
So is the OPs or the "imposter" car a re-shell?
Just smell something a bit halibut about all of this.
I think that's is it in a nutshell - too easy to assume the the OP has any more claim than the other. So, if what he says about the changes being made so easily is true, and a clear police check too, then he may be in for a surprise if he hasn't own the car from new.

ND395

14 posts

118 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Good Trolling.

People can't just take your car identity.

Even if they did then there's no reason why you can't drive your car. You are a class A wimp if you don't.

If you know who it is then the police would sort it out in an hour.

Bullst story.

MARKS6900

Original Poster:

306 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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It's not a bullxxxx story, me and my car have been abroad for a while and on return I had to make the car legal for the UK ie tax and mot, but the reg number wasn't coming up on the system anymore on further investigation with DVLA it seems somebody had applied for the v5 and once received they changed the engine number, engine cc, colour and stuck there private number plate on it, I did a hpi on my chassis number to get the new reg number, then got a duplicate mot cert to find out who had mot'd the car and where, luckily for me through social media I found out who that person was and informed the police who are dealing with it, I can not use my car anymore because I can not tax it or mot it as my reg number is not on the system anymore as per the police and dvla and I have to wait for them to investigate which is taking forever.

longshot

3,286 posts

197 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Just be thankful he has only made 9 posts in 2 years.

heaven help us if he get's into his stride.

mharris

148 posts

161 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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The reason it is taking the police so long is because it isn't a police matter - they are investigating a crime that didn't take place. This is a DVLA matter involving a chassis number mix up and you need to be dealing directly with them.

As I am sure you have already been told many times, it is not unheard of for a caterham chassis number to be reused. Particularly if a car has been back to Arch motors for a rebuild or major crash repair.

It is also incredibly easy for someone request a change to the chassis number on their V5 simply by sending the DVLA photographic evidence. My car was supplied from new with the wrong chassis number on the V5. It spent the first 6 years of its life like that because an 8 had been mistaken for a 0 and just casually looking wouldn't spot it. It only took me one email with an attached photo and I had modified the chassis number on my V5. Remember that the etched numbers on a caterham chassis are quite difficult to read and it would only take a simple mistake by someone else (mistaking an 8 for a 0, or a 1 for an i) and you have a problem. Normally the DVLA would prevent someone else changing to a chassis number that is already in use, but as it now turns out, your car was unregistered and out of the country so they would have had no idea your car existed.

Are you 100% sure the chassis number on your V5 is correct? Dont just rely on what is printed - carefully check it against the car and really pay attention to the 8, 0, 1, i digits.

Doofus

25,732 posts

172 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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What I don't understand is thet you have a V5 showing your reg, chassis and engine number, p,us the colour of your car. He has a V5 showing a different reg, different chassis no, different engine no and different colour.

In what way is this a) cloned, b) restricting your ability to use your car or c) a problem?

I'm not being arsey, I acept that DVLA ballsed up, I just don't see any proble with the outcome.

MARKS6900

Original Poster:

306 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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My car has a V5 logbook from new and all its old mot's and history going back to the day it was made, the other cars owner applied by filling in the required forms and paying I think it is £25 for the log book on my car only recently, once received he changed the details to match his cars spec so now we have 2 v5s both showing the same previous owner, the previous owner only recognises one car out of the two and that's mine, DVLA are dealing with it just at a very slow pace, DVLA have screwed up twice, firstly they knew it was out of the country on a long holiday and secondly they never bothered to check the change of engine cc, they have admitted both.

Edited by MARKS6900 on Wednesday 25th May 10:58

MARKS6900

Original Poster:

306 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Doofus said:
What I don't understand is thet you have a V5 showing your reg, chassis and engine number, p,us the colour of your car. He has a V5 showing a different reg, different chassis no, different engine no and different colour.

In what way is this a) cloned, b) restricting your ability to use your car or c) a problem?

I'm not being arsey, I acept that DVLA ballsed up, I just don't see any proble with the outcome.
Both cars have the same chassis number as he has cloned his car with my v5, he has changed the reg number by transferring a private plate on to the v5 so my original number in on retention now, I can not tax or mot my car now as it's not on the system.

Doofus

25,732 posts

172 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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I see. I'd missed the fact that the chassis numbers were the same. Apologies.

Are you sure it's deliberate, and not a DVLA error?

ND395

14 posts

118 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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longshot said:
Just be thankful he has only made 9 posts in 2 years.

heaven help us if he get's into his stride.
I focus on quality not quantity.

I would have had this sorted while eating my breakfast.


longshot

3,286 posts

197 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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ND395 said:
I focus on quality not quantity.

I would have had this sorted while eating my breakfast.
So you believe it now? wink

ND395

14 posts

118 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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hmmm, after actually reading some of it I am becoming sympathetic. Apologies to the OP.

As I read it... this OG (Other Guy) had a track car he wanted to get registered.

As all the details of his car were different from the OPs car, he applied for a V5, based on either the chassis number or the OP Reg Plate (+potentially address). He must have had a story to get DVLA to release the doc?

A. If it was based on the chassis number then that points to a genuine chassis mix up some time in the past. However in that case I would expect him to be alarmed, or at least interested, if someone contacted him saying that they have a car with the same chassis number. If that happened to most of us I am sure we would want to discuss it and find out what was going on. Additionally when he received the V5, you or I, would be alarmed to find that there was a car already registered on that chassis number. But perhaps he thinks the OP has a dodgy car and doesn't want to enter debate.

B. If he applied based on the OP Reg Plate then possibly he knew the car was out of the country and decided to borrow the chassis number thinking that it was a permanent export. In that case there would be a copy chassis number on the chassis.

It should not be too hard for the authorities to resolve this quickly if they are interested.

OP you didn't do a permanent export did you?
















MARKS6900

Original Poster:

306 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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As above, I have called him and left a message but no reply, he knows I have tried to contact him to try and get to the bottom of this as the police went to his house to see if he still had his car which he does and he told the police that I had rang him, he is very vague with details, apparently he cant remember where he bought it from, I would love to find out how he got my details but I guess that will never happen, he seems to of restored a track car and then made it road legal but surely the track car would of had a chassis number to help him to road register it the correct way.

Sbend

57 posts

106 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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This is all very odd. Surely it points to a car of dubious ancestry and as such, the police and dvla should be taking a great deal of interest in it, and if not, why not? Personally, I'd be asking questions about officialdom at this stage and considering involving my MP.

longshot

3,286 posts

197 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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I don't know this marque very well so apologise for the question.

Is his car definitely a Caterham and if so, which model?

How does it compare value wise and desirability wise to yours?