Ultimate Seven Product

Ultimate Seven Product

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Equus

16,977 posts

102 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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BertBert said:
Well that's all very interesting. But even after all that effort debating, there doesn't seem to be the winning idea for caterham appearing. Or did I miss it?
Current bets are either:
  • It's the recent 310, and Caterham's marketing team were getting over-excited, or
  • It's something else, that has yet to be announced.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Equus said:
BertBert said:
Well that's all very interesting. But even after all that effort debating, there doesn't seem to be the winning idea for caterham appearing. Or did I miss it?
Current bets are either:
  • It's the recent 310, and Caterham's marketing team were getting over-excited, or
  • It's something else, that has yet to be announced.
As said several times it's the 310. Big article in Low Flying.

I know it's hard to believe but that's it.

bcr5784

Original Poster:

7,118 posts

146 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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REALIST123 said:
As said several times it's the 310. Big article in Low Flying.

I know it's hard to believe but that's it.
Odds on choice - but if they get giddy at that they will have a collective heart attack if they ever develop anything truly new. (Son of Caterpine?)

BertBert

19,070 posts

212 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Aha, what I meant was, what do we think it should be?

Equus

16,977 posts

102 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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BertBert said:
Aha, what I meant was, what do we think it should be?
Something that's more than an overweight re-hash of the SLR300?

BertBert

19,070 posts

212 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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No st sherlock

Equus

16,977 posts

102 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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biggrin

Pdelamare

659 posts

129 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Posted on Blatchat, maybe the new product isn't the 310 after all!! As a Club member I might pop along to see it.

Caterham Cars – EXCLUSIVE CLUB OPPORTUNIY FOR A PRE-LAUNCH PREVIEW





Caterham have told the Club that they are going to be unveiling something really quite special at the Goodwood Revival in a couple of weeks.

Better still, they would like to invite a handful of Club members to an exclusive private reveal of what is currently under wraps. This will take place at Caterham's xxx showroom on the evening of xxx September. This is first time that the manufacturer has ever held a product reveal prior to its public presentation, so this really is a unique opportunity; we are delighted that the Club is being invited to see what’s new at the same time as the dealers.


Edited by Pdelamare on Friday 26th August 13:15

Equus

16,977 posts

102 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Photos and full report obligatory, Mr De La Mare!

BertBert

19,070 posts

212 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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That's encouraging!

hufggfg

654 posts

194 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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I have to say the discussion above makes for very interesting reading, I really appreciate the incite of those of you with the specialist knowledge!

From my perspective, I think I'd agree with parts of lots of what has been said, but personally don't think a mid engine solution is right for Caterham, not for any particular technological reasons, but purely from a driving dynamics point of view. One of the biggest selling points (for me at least) with a Caterham is the adjustability at the limit, which in my experience is something that is not the same in a MR car. Maybe this is something that it is possible to engineer into a MR car, but I think the WAY it drives is key to a Caterham, not just the fact that it's very quick.

nigelpugh7

6,041 posts

191 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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It will of course be very interesting to hear what the annoucment is later this week.

And it's great to speculate on all the things it could be with engine layouts etc, but I have to say it's going to be another iteration of the seven we all know and love.

So it will be a very special,and some would say the ultimate seven model, but it is going to be no more than that, a seven as we all know it, and I'm sure it will be fantastic!

hufggfg

654 posts

194 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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nigelpugh7 said:
It will of course be very interesting to hear what the annoucment is later this week.

And it's great to speculate on all the things it could be with engine layouts etc, but I have to say it's going to be another iteration of the seven we all know and love.

So it will be a very special,and some would say the ultimate seven model, but it is going to be no more than that, a seven as we all know it, and I'm sure it will be fantastic!
I think this is a very good point, and actually ties in a bit with what I was saying (well, meaning). If Caterham were to develop some kind of MR platform, then whatever it is, it won't really be an evolution of the Seven, but they COULD make a more significant evolution of the Seven using different chassis tech, IRS, and better aero, whilst still keeping it a recognisable evolution of the Seven.

That said, I'm (unfortunately) prepared to bet that the announcement won't be anything that exciting. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it'll be an electric drive train in a Seven.... just guessing but it wouldn't surprise me.

Equus

16,977 posts

102 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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hufggfg said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it'll be an electric drive train in a Seven.... just guessing but it wouldn't surprise me.
Far too forward-looking for Caterham, I fear: Westfield only did it a couple of decades ago. Hell, it would even mean them catching up with Morgan.

Cynicism aside though, I'll be very surprised if it's an EV, as (unlike Westfield, Morgan, Ariel and Zenos, who have all been very actively making noises in this area), I've heard not the slightest rumour of Caterham taking an interest. Doesn't really tally with the development coming out of their motorsports programme, either.



bcr5784

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7,118 posts

146 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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hufggfg said:
From my perspective, I think I'd agree with parts of lots of what has been said, but personally don't think a mid engine solution is right for Caterham, not for any particular technological reasons, but purely from a driving dynamics point of view. One of the biggest selling points (for me at least) with a Caterham is the adjustability at the limit, which in my experience is something that is not the same in a MR car. Maybe this is something that it is possible to engineer into a MR car, but I think the WAY it drives is key to a Caterham, not just the fact that it's very quick.
I have to agree - front mid for me too. That said I did drive one of the Radical Challenge cars and that was very benign and throttle adjustable at the limit - but then that doesn't have a heavy car engine behind the driver.

Re EV, I really can't see that and I'm not convinced it makes any sense going down that route at this point in time. It would be heavy for a start and that is against the Caterham ethos. Sometime down the line when batteries become much lighter, legislation much tougher they might well be forced down that route.



Dave J

884 posts

267 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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Superlight R "20"

Dave J

884 posts

267 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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Superlight R "20"

cambuscat

153 posts

172 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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CSR 620?

nigelpugh7

6,041 posts

191 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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cambuscat said:
CSR 620?
They sort of have that almost don't they with the 620 SV?

Admittedly without the sophisticated suspension of the CSR, but it's got to be pretty close in performance and drivability terms.

I reckon it's cheaper than the CSR when launched too.!!

bcr5784

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7,118 posts

146 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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cambuscat said:
CSR 620?
I get the feeling they have given up on the CSR - it's still available for sale (only the 260) but I can't recall when one was last roadtested. I'm sure if they felt that it would come out better in comparison tests they would continue to push it. Anyone know actual sales figures?