Ultimate Seven Product
Discussion
bcr5784 said:
Sure they are at one end of the sports car market - but they are in the middle of the stripped out market with the Elise at one end and Q plate cars at the other.
I'm sure you can place any car you like in the middle of your imaginary market segment, if you choose where to draw that segment's dividing lines carefully enough. It doesn't make it true in any way.It does amuse me that Caterham owners seem to be unique amongst kit car owners in actually taking pride in their lack of technical competence, although as I've said previously, any of the other kit car manufacturers will build their case to whatever stage and specification you like, as a general rule, so there's no real reason that numpties are limited to Caterhams, apart from their lack of imagination..
Caterham ownership is actually a far wider church than such a simplistic view, encompassing both the technically challenged like me and the mechanically adept , like you . Most of us rub along just fine. I wouldn't fall into the trap of confusing self deprecation with perverse pride, by the way, although obviously I am deeply in awe of your mighty toolbox.
Equus said:
I'm sure you can place any car you like in the middle of your imaginary market segment, if you choose where to draw that segment's dividing lines carefully enough. It doesn't make it true in any way.
It does amuse me that Caterham owners seem to be unique amongst kit car owners in actually taking pride in their lack of technical competence, although as I've said previously, any of the other kit car manufacturers will build their case to whatever stage and specification you like, as a general rule, so there's no real reason that numpties are limited to Caterhams, apart from their lack of imagination..
An overriding reason for sticking to Caterhams (rather than more obscure kit car makers) for factory builds is resale value. It does amuse me that Caterham owners seem to be unique amongst kit car owners in actually taking pride in their lack of technical competence, although as I've said previously, any of the other kit car manufacturers will build their case to whatever stage and specification you like, as a general rule, so there's no real reason that numpties are limited to Caterhams, apart from their lack of imagination..
In any case there are (I'm sure) plenty of people like myself who are quite capable of building a "real" kit car, and getting it set up properly, who simply prefer to spend their time on other things. I've rebuilt enough engines and gearboxes, played with enough suspensions, thank you and now I'd like something that just works. It's not a crime. It "amuses" me that some people who as steeped in "real" kit cars don't seem to understand that not everyone has the same priorities/interests as they do - or even the same interests as they themselves had 20 years previously.
bcr5784 said:
An overriding reason for sticking to Caterhams (rather than more obscure kit car makers) for factory builds is resale value.
It's a prime application of man-maths, certainly.If you work out the cash loss (percentage residuals are quite good, but it's a percentage of a much higher initial cost), or depreciation per mile, they're actually nothing special.
The amount of self-justification on forums such as this is truly comical!
bcr5784 said:
An overriding reason for sticking to Caterhams (rather than more obscure kit car makers) for factory builds is resale value.
Yep think this is key, and that resale value is not just a self fulfilling fantasy.It's the advantage you get from the fact that it's built from entirely new parts, within (albeit loosely) defined model specs, all supplied from the factory, and just assembled by owners (or the factory themselves). If I buy a Caterham, say R400, within reason I know what that is, what it has, what parts will fit it, and multiple specialists who know about it. That is attractive to many people, and why values hold up well.
You can see exactly the effect a "non-standard" spec has on value of a Caterham: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/c... If that car was just an R400, it would probably be worth 50% more. That's not because people are idiots and overvalue factory spec cars, it's because they sensibly put a premium on a known quantity, and understandably discount the reverse.
BertBert said:
What a tiresome dude. If he would get off his high horse, quit the sniedy comments and gross generalisations, he's probably got some good points to make.
I doubt that to be honest - I have no idea why he's here - ask him to substantiate anything or have a differing opinion and the abuse starts. Childish in the extreme and lacking in social skills is my diagnosis - he's the 1st on my 'person to ignore list' here.Edited by justleanitupabit on Friday 2nd September 15:45
coppice said:
Caterham ownership is actually a far wider church than such a simplistic view, encompassing both the technically challenged like me and the mechanically adept , like you . Most of us rub along just fine. I wouldn't fall into the trap of confusing self deprecation with perverse pride, by the way, although obviously I am deeply in awe of your mighty toolbox.
To add too, for those of us who haven't built our cars - the Caterhams just look like a more polished product than the other kit builders. While I know Westfield will do a factory build, knowing that the Caterham is all new parts, and is an entirely new car, goes a long way.If I bought another 7, I'm not sure if I'd build or buy pre-built. I'm far more interested in driving the car than putting it together.
Any way guys, you have to wait I until Friday for the official Annoucment of the ultimate seven, which will be announced on the first day of the Goodwood reveal.
And it's most definitely not the recently announced 310!
If this Annoucment is anything like the similar Annoucment for my Twenty this time last year, it as announced by the Goodwood team before CC themselves!
And it's most definitely not the recently announced 310!
If this Annoucment is anything like the similar Annoucment for my Twenty this time last year, it as announced by the Goodwood team before CC themselves!
Interesting comments. Looking forward to the new Seven.
I've had a Caterham 7 Sprint with a Crossflow engine for 10 years (So I've had some spannering experience...mainly skinned knuckles) , and there are some brilliant kit cars out there both in the Seven mould and original designs - Love the Fisher Fury, and the Ginett G40 is a lovely little machine I'd love to own. and don't get my started on Ultima's - lovely !
There was a chap called RichardInFrance on BlatChat, who used to make some great carbon bits, who built a carbon-bodied Seven a few years back, so maybe Caterham are doing that , or maybe , please !!!!!, they are going to release a limited Caterham 'Black Brick' series of cars !!!!
.....fingers crossed !
I've had a Caterham 7 Sprint with a Crossflow engine for 10 years (So I've had some spannering experience...mainly skinned knuckles) , and there are some brilliant kit cars out there both in the Seven mould and original designs - Love the Fisher Fury, and the Ginett G40 is a lovely little machine I'd love to own. and don't get my started on Ultima's - lovely !
There was a chap called RichardInFrance on BlatChat, who used to make some great carbon bits, who built a carbon-bodied Seven a few years back, so maybe Caterham are doing that , or maybe , please !!!!!, they are going to release a limited Caterham 'Black Brick' series of cars !!!!
.....fingers crossed !
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