Semi slicks without dry sump?

Semi slicks without dry sump?

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Synchromesh

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2,428 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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Thinking of putting some semi-slick Nankang NS-2R tyres on my Caterham. It's a 1600 K-series Supersport (135bhp) without a dry sump or anti-cav.

In short, is this a bad idea? I know a dry sump is necessary for running full slicks, but how about for these (budget) semi slicks?

xcentric

722 posts

219 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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road - fine. track - be aware.....

Synchromesh

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th October 2016
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xcentric said:
road - fine. track - be aware.....
Track is what I want them for. Is this a no-no then?

anotherjohnv

1,285 posts

197 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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I think that you should fit the anti-cav before you take it on track regardless of tyres

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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Doesn't sound a good idea to me. If you're aiming to make increase your corner speeds by fitting these, which has to be the presumption, you will be running a risk with a wet sump. Not one I'd take.

If you're implying that these budget tyres maybe aren't that good so may not create the risk, why bother? If you get increased grip, there's a risk without a dry sump.

_Neal_

2,658 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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I don't think you necessarily need a dry sump, but agree you'd want an Apollo.

I ran Toyo R888s/Yoko A048s (so road-legal track tyres) on both my Caterhams (used mostly on track - about 10 trackdays all told) and both were wet sump with Apollos, both K-series. I noticed some oil pressure variation, but nothing too concerning. Wouldn't have risked it without the Apollo though.

radical78

398 posts

144 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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ive had a k series with Apollo and sunp sponge for 4 years raced it on the banked track at rockingham on slicks and round croft for 1.5 hours no problems

Synchromesh

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

166 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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Thanks for the advice.

Looks like I should be ok with an Apollo tank installed then, although I'm going to have my oil pressure gauge looked at first as I don't think it's doing much at the moment!

CanAm

9,176 posts

272 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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Mechanical O.P.G. is the way to go. The standard sender does not have a good reputation.

_Neal_

2,658 posts

219 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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CanAm said:
Mechanical O.P.G. is the way to go. The standard sender does not have a good reputation.
Absolutely right - the mechanical oil pressure gauges aren't expensive either.

CanAm

9,176 posts

272 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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Cheaper than regular replacement of duff senders! biggrin

xcentric

722 posts

219 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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where do you source mechanical ones from? easy fit? work with dry sump systems?

grenpayne

1,988 posts

162 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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Speak to Think Automotive, preferably by phone as they're a bit old school, they do a kit for k series cars that has everything you need. I ran one with a DS system and it worked perfectly.

As an aside I got the DS system because of the mechanical OPG...I had an apollo tank first and even then I didn't like what the MOPG was telling me in right hand turns using CR500s on track. YMMV of course, but at the very least get the Apollo and the mech guage and see how you get on.

Green George

316 posts

251 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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grenpayne said:
Speak to Think Automotive, preferably by phone as they're a bit old school, they do a kit for k series cars that has everything you need. I ran one with a DS system and it worked perfectly.

As an aside I got the DS system because of the mechanical OPG...I had an apollo tank first and even then I didn't like what the MOPG was telling me in right hand turns using CR500s on track. YMMV of course, but at the very least get the Apollo and the mech guage and see how you get on.
Dave Andrews of DVA recently explained on BLATCHAT in a post entitled Apollo Tank? dated 20/06/2016:

The pressure may drop, but the bearings are still receiving oil rather than air, this makes a big difference.

In my experience most engines that have Apollo tanks have bearings that are in good order, most engines that don' t have bearings which are damaged.

Oily


My interpretation of that was that whilst the pressure drop will be recorded on the gauge that is a reading where the sender is located. The Apollo tank reservoir is designed to provide lubrication to the bearings in this type of scenario.

Edited by Green George on Friday 14th October 08:50

grenpayne

1,988 posts

162 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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Makes sense and coming from Dave, I don't doubt he's right. However, at the time, I'd just paid a lot of money rebuilding my engine with forged pistons so saw the Dry Sump System as good insurance smile

BertBert

19,025 posts

211 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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Fitting the standard oil pressure sender remotely so it's not vibrated to bits by the engine works well as well.
Bert