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Following all the recent threads for tyres,
What do you think of a low budget tyre with long life, "good" feedback and low grip for enjoying/drifting the car at lower speeds on the road.
I did this quite successfully on my elise in the past with a set of Kuhmos 31
Now i see there is a similar tyre from kuhmo the KUMHO SOLUS KH17 for euro 44 a piece which might do (?) this successfully.
Anyone wishes to comment?
What do you think of a low budget tyre with long life, "good" feedback and low grip for enjoying/drifting the car at lower speeds on the road.
I did this quite successfully on my elise in the past with a set of Kuhmos 31
Now i see there is a similar tyre from kuhmo the KUMHO SOLUS KH17 for euro 44 a piece which might do (?) this successfully.
Anyone wishes to comment?
I used to use Nankang XR611 in my 130bhp Seven for the first yrs of ownership, never had any issues, including a trip to the Alps and I had fun ; only got scared once and it was in the dry. In the wet I always take extreme care even with with the tyes I have today. I was caught on some pretty heavy rain and just went slowly. If I were to use more normal tyres again I would go for Toyo CF2 or Uniroyals.
Maybe I drive like a grandmother...
Maybe I drive like a grandmother...
I'm running my 125 bhp Seven on Uniroyal Rain Experts. I used to run Yokohama a021r tyres but they were costing me a fortune as they only lasted just over a year. The Uniroyals were less than half the price, are less than half worn after 3 years including 3 tracks days and I find they are great on the road whatever the weather is like. The only drawback I can see is a really hard driver on a hot track day would melt them, having said that, they'd be cheap to replace!
sdio said:
Following all the recent threads for tyres,
What do you think of a low budget tyre with long life, "good" feedback and low grip for enjoying/drifting the car at lower speeds on the road.
I did this quite successfully on my elise in the past with a set of Kuhmos 31
Now i see there is a similar tyre from kuhmo the KUMHO SOLUS KH17 for euro 44 a piece which might do (?) this successfully.
Anyone wishes to comment?
I don't know what to recommend but absolutely not the Kumhos, the 'KH' tyres are a touring tyre for shopping cars whereas the tyres you had before were 'KU' 31s which were Kumho's sporty UHP tyre. Worlds apart.What do you think of a low budget tyre with long life, "good" feedback and low grip for enjoying/drifting the car at lower speeds on the road.
I did this quite successfully on my elise in the past with a set of Kuhmos 31
Now i see there is a similar tyre from kuhmo the KUMHO SOLUS KH17 for euro 44 a piece which might do (?) this successfully.
Anyone wishes to comment?
Can you not get CR322s anymore?
if you want a long lasting, generally OK road tyre that can stand up to track abuse then you could do a lot worse than the yoko A539
i have them on mine. They are terrifying on greasy roads, but fine on wet roads, and good on dry. in a 120bhp roadsport the rear end is adjustable in the dry, but never scary, and they took a day of punishment at blyton park, without looking like they'd sustained any wear at all.
were it not for the fact that they are frankly unsettling in cold / greasy conditions, I'd just keep them. They are used as a control tyre for sprints i believe.
i have them on mine. They are terrifying on greasy roads, but fine on wet roads, and good on dry. in a 120bhp roadsport the rear end is adjustable in the dry, but never scary, and they took a day of punishment at blyton park, without looking like they'd sustained any wear at all.
were it not for the fact that they are frankly unsettling in cold / greasy conditions, I'd just keep them. They are used as a control tyre for sprints i believe.
i find on my little 120bhp roadsport, the A539's let go at the rear very quickly indeed.
I barely need to glance at the throttle in a bend and im correcting for oversteer. It can be a tad unsettling.
That said, in the dry on blyton park they were brilliant, offering mobility and some slide but all controllable and at sane speeds.
I barely need to glance at the throttle in a bend and im correcting for oversteer. It can be a tad unsettling.
That said, in the dry on blyton park they were brilliant, offering mobility and some slide but all controllable and at sane speeds.
Just to add to this as I've had A539s on for a while, and will for a while to come, if they continue at the current wear rate...
I find them a perfectly adequate road tyre, communicative enough without being loud and slappy like the low tread aggressive tyres. That said, I rarely press on when on the road as it's simply not possible to generate real temperature without driving like a bellend, so I just enjoy the sensation of driving rather than go really fast.
Regards track, if you aren't able to get some temperature into them, they will slip and slide a fair bit. I find them progressive, but then there are so many variables in car set-up and the distinctly subjective term 'progressive' that it's almost worthless in this context! I just had a drying day at Pembrey and in the last two sessions was finally able to lean on them and get some heat, which transformed the tyres. It was a significant step in performance from their cold selves, or in the wet.
I would not recommend them as a wet tyre per say, since they struggle to gain temperature, in my hands at least. As a budget, hard wearing tyre, used as an all-rounder I would say they are a good bet, but with the caveat that they are not, nor will they ever be a trackday tyre, like the AO48/32/R888. I see them as a £200 over two years tyre, as opposed to a £400 over six months tyre like the trackday rubber. Sure, there's more grip, but I'm paying £700/year for it. That's my annual TD budget right there!
Car-wise, I have a 135 bhp K-series, with Nitrons and a PT Sports Cars geo set-up that is, as far as I can understand, the basic trackday settings - i.e. no input from me, they've given me what they know to work. This means any waywardness is coming from the tyres or the driver inputs, which is a helpful position to learn from.
I find them a perfectly adequate road tyre, communicative enough without being loud and slappy like the low tread aggressive tyres. That said, I rarely press on when on the road as it's simply not possible to generate real temperature without driving like a bellend, so I just enjoy the sensation of driving rather than go really fast.
Regards track, if you aren't able to get some temperature into them, they will slip and slide a fair bit. I find them progressive, but then there are so many variables in car set-up and the distinctly subjective term 'progressive' that it's almost worthless in this context! I just had a drying day at Pembrey and in the last two sessions was finally able to lean on them and get some heat, which transformed the tyres. It was a significant step in performance from their cold selves, or in the wet.
I would not recommend them as a wet tyre per say, since they struggle to gain temperature, in my hands at least. As a budget, hard wearing tyre, used as an all-rounder I would say they are a good bet, but with the caveat that they are not, nor will they ever be a trackday tyre, like the AO48/32/R888. I see them as a £200 over two years tyre, as opposed to a £400 over six months tyre like the trackday rubber. Sure, there's more grip, but I'm paying £700/year for it. That's my annual TD budget right there!
Car-wise, I have a 135 bhp K-series, with Nitrons and a PT Sports Cars geo set-up that is, as far as I can understand, the basic trackday settings - i.e. no input from me, they've given me what they know to work. This means any waywardness is coming from the tyres or the driver inputs, which is a helpful position to learn from.
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