R500 with the sequential box

R500 with the sequential box

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sfaulds

653 posts

279 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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The C400 uses a solid clutch.

The sump pan has not changed, and the move to an external tank was nothing to do with crankcase pressures or volume.

I don't know who was complaining of fottwell temeratures, but I'm surprised - the air duct into the pedal box that's been on there for 2 years now is very effective (if less than elegant). Re-siting the oil tank has also helped.

Dave J

884 posts

267 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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fair enough stuart biggrin, it was only the information that I was told

So what is the solid clutch ?

so the dry sump scavenge system hasnt changed this season by manufacturer or design ?

the crankcase ventilation I was refering to was the rod exiting the block.





Edited by Dave J on Friday 12th September 21:18

Mars

8,726 posts

215 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Dave J said:
Drivers were complaining of excessive footwell temps .

I showed them my foil/bubble/foil footwell insulation cool that keeps my feet loverly and cool.
Anything like this Dave?

http://community.webshots.com/album/564624234

Edited by Mars on Friday 12th September 21:33

Dave J

884 posts

267 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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mic

376 posts

234 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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The solid centre plate is used with the sequential box, and the sprung centre plate with the standard gearbox. Moving the oil tank has reduced gearbox temperature.

nigelpugh7

6,041 posts

191 months

Saturday 13th September 2008
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re the cooling under the bonnet, I think Mars was trying to show you all what I have done on my new R500.

Heres the picture:



I also did this on my previous R400 and it really decreased tunnel temps inside the car to an acceptable level.

Nige.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Saturday 13th September 2008
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sfaulds said:
I don't know who was complaining of fottwell temeratures, but I'm surprised - the air duct into the pedal box that's been on there for 2 years now is very effective (if less than elegant). Re-siting the oil tank has also helped.
Looks like that problem may have resurfaced on the R300 racecar though Stuart? Didn't one of the drivers have to retire in the first Eurocup race?

mic

376 posts

234 months

Saturday 13th September 2008
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I believe the R300 did not have the cooling system fitted correctly allowing lots of hot air into the engine bay.

James.S

585 posts

213 months

Saturday 13th September 2008
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Looks like that problem may have resurfaced on the R300 racecar though Stuart? Didn't one of the drivers have to retire in the first Eurocup race?
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The two R300's in the E/cup race where both not fully complete when they ran, the idea was to shakedown the cars. I for instance new we had not recieved the heat shielding for my car or the ram air kit for the pedal box but still pressed to run it, I pulled the car in from Race 1 for several reasons, amongst them the heat build up but also I was knackered and had bigger fish to fry that weekend

Team FS & DPR, running the 300's that weekend had worked thru the meeting (despite having much more serious entries to hadle)to finish the cars.....this culminated in a stunning final race with both cars finishing 1st & 2nd overall less than a car lenght apart after 40 mins in crap weather.

It's going to be a great Race car...............



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Edited by James.S on Saturday 13th September 10:39

Mars

8,726 posts

215 months

Saturday 13th September 2008
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nigelpugh7 said:
re the cooling under the bonnet, I think Mars was trying to show you all what I have done on my new R500.

Heres the picture:



I also did this on my previous R400 and it really decreased tunnel temps inside the car to an acceptable level.

Nige.
Ahah, you have to "get the link" rather than copy it from the address bar. Haven't used Webshots before. Oops.

Yes, this heat reflecting stuff is fabulous. If/when I build another Se7en again, I'll plaster the car in it. It seems even stickier than gaffa tape, previously the holder of the "stickiest stuff ever" award.

Looks really neat on the car. I recall on our run down into Italy in 2003 the cockpit temps got close to 65 degrees and we didn't have black-coated panels. Nige turned up to my house one Summer with his mate as passenger. Both had burns on their legs and the gearbox tunnel had warped from the heat. This sticky stuff completely eliminates that problem.

Fat Arnie

Original Poster:

1,655 posts

264 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Anyone got some pics of the pedalbox ram air kit? And where does the heat shield material come from?

Thx

Mars

8,726 posts

215 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Not sure what you mean by the ram-air kit. It looks fairly conventional to me.

Nige said the heatshield stuff can be gotten from DT's although they source it from elsewhere... can't recall. It's cheaper from them. Nortons? Bugger. I'll ask again.

nigelpugh7

6,041 posts

191 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Nige, we are all getting old, so we will forgive your short term memory loss.

I got it from Nimbus Motorsport of the web thing here:

http://www.nimbusmotorsport.com/ProdShop2.asp?id=6...

You can get it in various sizes too.

Nige.

Fat Arnie

Original Poster:

1,655 posts

264 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Re: Ram Air, I ws referring to 'ram air footwell vents' mentioned above. or am I out of context?

Mars

8,726 posts

215 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Arn, I don't see from Nige's pics what that footwell vent could be so I can only assume it's an addition to the racers' cars. Nige's looks fairly traditional to me.

nigelpugh7

6,041 posts

191 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Guys,

Yes the ram air is only on the racers, as Nige says mine is a standard config.

I did not get much done this weekend, but did finish off the heat shield, here's some of the pics, rest on webshots.







Nige.


Mars

8,726 posts

215 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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That looks really smart.

James.S

585 posts

213 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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the ram air kit can be seen on the drivers side of any C400 race car bonnet, xtra scoop.

The R300 racecar will have a more visually pleasing solution and i believe it will fit the 500 roadcar aswell.

OJ

13,970 posts

229 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Footwell temperatures are fine in my car, but I regularly get my left leg burnt by the transmission tunnel

Clutch is a weak link in the C400, and is considered a 'service item'. They are known to pack in on a race start. I regularly see a nice trail of smoke from the centre of the cars in front of me when launching.

Arnie, the ram air kit is literally a 10cm(ish) length piece of 5-7cm guage tube mounted at 90 degrees to the right hand side of the pedal box cover. This then protrudes through a hole in the bonnet which is covered by a simple scoop. It is very crude

fcat

140 posts

209 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Interesting that the race CSR, despite a slightly bigger engine, doesn't suffer from the heat soak problems that initially bugged the C400. I guess the slightly larger chassis provides just enogh extra space and ventilation to prevent the heat build-up.

On the gearbox side, I've been running the quaife sequential in my CSR all season and its pretty bullet proof. There seem to be some performance gains and not just from where you'd expect: yes the clutchless upshifts are worth a bit - someone who's opinion I respect reckoned about a second a lap as Spa - but the important bit for me is the confidence it gives from ultra reliable downshifts so I can focus on the braking without worrying that I'm going to shift from 6th to 2nd instead of 4th or otherwise fumble the change. (Note: messing up the downshift at e.g Paddock/Brands, is quick & certain route into the gravel.) Personally I don't try clutchless downshifts as the risk of unsettling the car or locking the rears is too high.

The new R300 looks to be rather good. Known technology, under-stressed engine so should be straightforward to set up and mechanically bullet-proof. The engine size is the only odd bit: not a problem for one make racing in CC's own series but its going to be uncompetitive in club racing where 170bhp from 2 litres won't cut the mustard in conventional capacity based classes.

regards
Nigel