RE: Charity Caterham Weigh-In
Discussion
Paperboy said:
To all those who are taking the p*ss, envy is a terrible thing.
It's not just the outright weight it will also be adjusting the set-up to improve handling hwich I thought PH'ers would understand? Guess you're all Saxo drivers?
blimey, it hough drivng kit-car-esque cars you'd have a sense of humour obviously not.It's not just the outright weight it will also be adjusting the set-up to improve handling hwich I thought PH'ers would understand? Guess you're all Saxo drivers?
Also comments about saxo's great mate, its exactly that snobbishness from those who spend loads on a sportcar that makes it more satisfying spanking them round the track. You see just because they are sportcars does'nt mean you can drive em. In fact everytime i'm at the ring the cars you tend to get holding the race line at 50mph are bloody middle aged caterham drivers. Works both ways does'nt it.
Oh and i don't drive a Saxo, i have a 206 and Mini. but i do appreciate good cars.
Also if you want competitions on the weight front, paya visit to the Ranualt Turbo owners club. there are guys on there in Renault 5 Turbo's down to the high 500k's on weight now
Antj said:
Paperboy said:
To all those who are taking the p*ss, envy is a terrible thing.
It's not just the outright weight it will also be adjusting the set-up to improve handling hwich I thought PH'ers would understand? Guess you're all Saxo drivers?
blimey, it hough drivng kit-car-esque cars you'd have a sense of humour obviously not.It's not just the outright weight it will also be adjusting the set-up to improve handling hwich I thought PH'ers would understand? Guess you're all Saxo drivers?
Also comments about saxo's great mate, its exactly that snobbishness from those who spend loads on a sportcar that makes it more satisfying spanking them round the track. You see just because they are sportcars does'nt mean you can drive em. In fact everytime i'm at the ring the cars you tend to get holding the race line at 50mph are bloody middle aged caterham drivers. Works both ways does'nt it.
Oh and i don't drive a Saxo, i have a 206 and Mini. but i do appreciate good cars.
Also if you want competitions on the weight front, paya visit to the Ranualt Turbo owners club. there are guys on there in Renault 5 Turbo's down to the high 500k's on weight now
Boring to weigh a BMW 3-series perhaps, NOT boring to weigh (and flatfloor, which is a good thing) a Caterham. Power to weight is everything, and with such a low weight you can make a big difference with quite small gains (carbon fibre tax disk holder anyone 
). High 500s is one thing, but the lightest Caterhams weigh less than 400.
Plus lack of weight must = more Carbon Fibre. And Carbonphillia is an affliction ! Just bought some Carbon rear wings from RiF - gorgeous.
Although clearly the real point is to laugh at VX owners and say "boat anchor" a lot
). High 500s is one thing, but the lightest Caterhams weigh less than 400.Plus lack of weight must = more Carbon Fibre. And Carbonphillia is an affliction ! Just bought some Carbon rear wings from RiF - gorgeous.
Although clearly the real point is to laugh at VX owners and say "boat anchor" a lot
Paperboy said:
To all those who are taking the p*ss, en vy is a terrible thing.
It's not just the outright weight it will also be adjusting the set-up to improve handling hwich I thought PH'ers would understand? Guess you're all Saxo drivers?
Ha ha, I have got one somewhere acutally. I would be quite interested to see what it weighs. Can I come along? Or are some of the fat V8s worried they might be heavier? It's not just the outright weight it will also be adjusting the set-up to improve handling hwich I thought PH'ers would understand? Guess you're all Saxo drivers?
Edited by georgel on Thursday 16th October 08:59
Paperboy said:
general190 said:
And if they were saxo drives, doesnt that fit in with the caterham ethos?
Couldn't be further from it my friend.Edited by Paperboy on Wednesday 15th October 15:26
the saxo VTS is a) v.light for a modern(ish) hatch @ 965kg b) fast 120bhp, 0-60 in 7.2 seconds c) cheep at £12,000 for a hatch which can keep up with much faster cars eg mini cooper s, civic type R etc. and d) fun, which they are, which is why they are a hot hatch legend! i have driven a few (never owned but with the economy going the way it is it would be fun, quick and cheep to run) and they are fun! such a giggle goin onto 3wheels when cornering hard then oversteer if you lift of! gret fun, fast, light, great handeling little cars!
HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN A VTS? (NOT A VTR)
Some people realy need to lighten up!
lol! just realised thats the WHOLE point of the event!
Just on the subject of weighing your Caterham (or any other car that has adjustable ride heights)this is something you should definitely do. The point is not to see what the car weighs but rather what the relative weights on the wheels are. The aim is to equalise left and right front weights whilst simultaneously adjusting rake (i.e. relative ride heights front to rear)and optimising cross weights (diagonal weight).
As you might expect this can be quite complex as adjusting the ride height on one shock has a knock on effect on every other weight and height. Similarly changing camber and rake will have a significant impact on corner weights.
The whole point of it is to get the car (and driver)to behave in a predictable and similar manner for both left and right hand corners and to brake in a straight line. A car with unequal weights over the front wheels will be more unpredictable.
You might think all this is only relevent for race cars but it's possible to get quite close quite quickly with a set of corner weight scales and a bit of twiddling and most people will notice a positive difference in the handling afterwards.
As you might expect this can be quite complex as adjusting the ride height on one shock has a knock on effect on every other weight and height. Similarly changing camber and rake will have a significant impact on corner weights.
The whole point of it is to get the car (and driver)to behave in a predictable and similar manner for both left and right hand corners and to brake in a straight line. A car with unequal weights over the front wheels will be more unpredictable.
You might think all this is only relevent for race cars but it's possible to get quite close quite quickly with a set of corner weight scales and a bit of twiddling and most people will notice a positive difference in the handling afterwards.
MarchHare said:
Just on the subject of weighing your Caterham (or any other car that has adjustable ride heights)this is something you should definitely do. The point is not to see what the car weighs but rather what the relative weights on the wheels are. The aim is to equalise left and right front weights whilst simultaneously adjusting rake (i.e. relative ride heights front to rear)and optimising cross weights (diagonal weight).
As you might expect this can be quite complex as adjusting the ride height on one shock has a knock on effect on every other weight and height. Similarly changing camber and rake will have a significant impact on corner weights.
The whole point of it is to get the car (and driver)to behave in a predictable and similar manner for both left and right hand corners and to brake in a straight line. A car with unequal weights over the front wheels will be more unpredictable.
You might think all this is only relevent for race cars but it's possible to get quite close quite quickly with a set of corner weight scales and a bit of twiddling and most people will notice a positive difference in the handling afterwards.
How does camber effect corner weights?As you might expect this can be quite complex as adjusting the ride height on one shock has a knock on effect on every other weight and height. Similarly changing camber and rake will have a significant impact on corner weights.
The whole point of it is to get the car (and driver)to behave in a predictable and similar manner for both left and right hand corners and to brake in a straight line. A car with unequal weights over the front wheels will be more unpredictable.
You might think all this is only relevent for race cars but it's possible to get quite close quite quickly with a set of corner weight scales and a bit of twiddling and most people will notice a positive difference in the handling afterwards.
Is Gary in the 'balance the front wheels' or 'balance the diagonals' camp?
Is the day just to see what your car weighs or to use Gary to adjust optimally whilst you're there?
stripy7 said:
Just ignore it, boring aggresive/snobbish/elitist remark.
Are you honestly trying to justify a comparison between a Saxo VTS and a Caterham? Wow.Saxo VTS - hot hatch legend - LOL. Sure they are pretty fun and cheap, but with the same driver they won't get near the proper hot hatches. Don't start comparing them to Caterhams and Westfields though. Kit cars/Lotus 7's/Caterhams/these sorts of Track orientated cars are incomparable to anything else.
general190 said:
Paperboy said:
general190 said:
And if they were saxo drives, doesnt that fit in with the caterham ethos?
Couldn't be further from it my friend.Edited by Paperboy on Wednesday 15th October 15:26
the saxo VTS is a) v.light for a modern(ish) hatch @ 965kg b) fast 120bhp, 0-60 in 7.2 seconds
You are right in the way that they both have the same aim, in a way, but they are very different and stand for very different things. VTS's are fairly middle level mildly warm hatches and Caterhams are basically ultimate performance, fun, feeling, experience, sensation, result.
Edited by matt frost on Thursday 16th October 14:56
BertBert said:
matt frost said:
a lot of stuff...
and Caterhams are basically ultimate performance, fun, feeling, experience, sensation, result.
Er no I'm afraid not. Caterhams used to be the trackday secret weapon 10 years ago, but we've moved on since then.and Caterhams are basically ultimate performance, fun, feeling, experience, sensation, result.
Bert
sam919 said:
BertBert said:
matt frost said:
a lot of stuff...
and Caterhams are basically ultimate performance, fun, feeling, experience, sensation, result.
Er no I'm afraid not. Caterhams used to be the trackday secret weapon 10 years ago, but we've moved on since then.and Caterhams are basically ultimate performance, fun, feeling, experience, sensation, result.
Bert
Although I own a Caterham I fully acknowledge that it's a very crude, dated bit of kit, albeit a lot of fun and still pretty quick, although as Bert says, there are quicker things out there. But, bang for your buck, I think they're not bad!
Yes they are the same sort of design as 50 odd years ago, but there has been some slight development.
The radical is a different piece of kit altogether, and in many cases not allowed in club level sports and saloon championships.
Ultimatly you can get a monposto for the same price as a radical.......but thats like putting a caterham agasint a radical!!
The radical is a different piece of kit altogether, and in many cases not allowed in club level sports and saloon championships.
Ultimatly you can get a monposto for the same price as a radical.......but thats like putting a caterham agasint a radical!!
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