Sigma vs K series + chassis queries

Sigma vs K series + chassis queries

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taffyracer

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2,093 posts

244 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Need some help, i'm very close to doing a deal on one of 2 cars, both are 1.6 academy cars, one is an 08 sigma and the other an 03 k series. My queries are

1. is the newer (metric) chassis much better than the older chassis
2. I know there are loads of goodies for the K series and they're cheap and easy to tune but i know nothing about the Sigma, is it a good engine for future power upgrades, what are the benefits

Heart says newer Sigma but head says go with cheaper and better spec K


RMac

347 posts

222 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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5 years difference!

Assuming both in good condition I think I would be wanting to save £4k ish to consider the older car.

There are plenty of upgrades for the k but they are not dead cheap & my personal recommendation would be to upgrade the car when you want more stuff on it.

Tango7

688 posts

227 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Are we talking similar budgets here or the £4k difference suggested above? For me, I would usually always go for age, condition, options and mileage over other factors but with such a big age differential, the 08 plated car looks more attractive assuming it is in decent & straight condition.

The new metric chassis' are meant to be considerably stiffer. For the traditionalist, having an Arch chassis is a major decision point. For others the Caged chassis is equally as competent (or even better!).

What history do the cars have? If the newer car has had a hard track life and suffered various repairs, knocks and dents and the 03 one has been kept as a road car with good upkeep and use, this will help make a decision as well. I don't know much about the Sigma engine and upgrading but the K series is relatively easy to get improved and there is an absolute wealth of experience out there to tap into.

I am not sure I have helped too much!

taffyracer

Original Poster:

2,093 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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The difference in cost is 3k, the '08 car has only 1000miles, the '03 car has 8,000 miles, so not a huge gulf, the difference in cost in parts alone on the better spec car is probably 1.5k and i'm told the older car is in great condition with new ali panels, so condition wise i suspect they're about the same but the '08 car in 5 years time will be more desirable i suspect outweighing the extra 3k needed upfront, my heart says new but it's that wealth of info that I find appealling.

BertBert

19,070 posts

212 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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I would've expected a bigger difference in price. Do you want to post summaries of (or links to) the 2 cars and the prices? We'd be able to comment more.
BErt

taffyracer

Original Poster:

2,093 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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Just been told that teh sigma is a rebadged duratec, is that correct, if so then that opens up a whole host of possibilities, anyone know the main differencces between the 1.6 and 2.0, are they interchangeable?

James.S

585 posts

213 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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What is the specification difference on the cars,

ie The 03 car is it std academy or Roadsport B or A spec. If it is standard then the 3k is not enough of a difference.

For a late, good condition Roadsport A spec with all the right bits and road kit you will pay between 10k to 12k so adjust accordingly.

The caged "metric" chassis is superior to the Arch chassis period.

If you plan to race it your options will grow more limited witht the 03 car. Place and advert in the wanted section of one of the caterham racing forums.

Best of luck.

Epimetheus

161 posts

241 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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James.S said:
The caged "metric" chassis is superior to the Arch chassis period.
Why exactly? . . I know it's supposedly 8% stiffer (which is pretty irrelevant once a cage is fitted IMO) but it's also 20 or 30 kg heavier. Plus, how do you get them fixed? Who has the jigs? What does a long front cost from Caterham with a metric chassis?

sfaulds

653 posts

279 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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It is stiffer. It is about 5kg heavier. Arch can repair them.

James.S

585 posts

213 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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hmmm.....from experience racing with both chassis this year, all fitted with K's the new chassis is more capable at getting power down on exits. I am not aware of any issues in fixing them other than my teammate seems to go thru quite a lot.

I don't really understand the Arch Inside bks to be honest epecially when so few have actually used the new one.......

Epimetheus

161 posts

241 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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sfaulds said:
It is stiffer. It is about 5kg heavier. Arch can repair them.
Sure it's just 5kg? Not saying it isn't, I was just told it was more . . . And by someone who knows quite a bit about Arch chassis in fact.
Do Arch use the normal s3 jig or have they got a new one?

sfaulds

653 posts

279 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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Yes, I'm sure thanks - I've run otherwise identical cars side by side for a year, and have no vested interest in making up daft numbers for the entertainment of the internet.

taffyracer

Original Poster:

2,093 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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No not planning on racing it, just trackday and sunday fun really but I want a keeper that I can upgrade but also something that will hold value,

Stuart YHM btw on a different subject

Dave J

884 posts

267 months

Friday 19th December 2008
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Taffy - mail me or call me smile

taffyracer

Original Poster:

2,093 posts

244 months

Friday 19th December 2008
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Hi Dave

mail sent mate

taffyracer

Original Poster:

2,093 posts

244 months

Friday 19th December 2008
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ok, last question, i think i have found a car, it's a 1.8 VVC, can someone explain to me the differences in 1.8 K series, VVc, VHPD etc, in terms of tuning and flexibility

cheers

jackal

11,248 posts

283 months

Friday 19th December 2008
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taffyracer said:
can someone explain to me the differences in 1.8 K series, VVc, VHPD etc, in terms of tuning and flexibility
how long you got coffee

taffyracer

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2,093 posts

244 months

Friday 19th December 2008
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a fair bit, just need to know the basics adv and disadvanatantaes

cheers

taffyracer

Original Poster:

2,093 posts

244 months

Saturday 20th December 2008
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Thanks for all your help, car now bought and i'm sooooo excited, been wanting one for a smidge over 20 years, another tick off the list

Edited by taffyracer on Saturday 20th December 22:22

jackal

11,248 posts

283 months

Saturday 20th December 2008
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have fun !

what did you buy ? any pics ?