Awesome R500 with IRS in For Sale section...
Discussion
Vladimir said:
Does that mean that we think this is a pre production version of something that will become official?
That sounds extremely unlikely. Caterham guard their IPR and developments with vigour (as they should). They wouldn't let a pre-prod prototype slip out onto PH.I think the dodgy-engine-builder should spill the beans...come on Mic!
Bert
A friend of mine worked at the factory during the development of the CSR rear end. In fact he worked on the suspension with them before moving on to an investigation into alternative switchgear.
Between CC and Arch, I believe there are several development chassis (up to 14?) where different pickup points and system designs were tested. It's brilliant that Owain looked to use or modify an S3 chassis on the back of the CSR work to create an IRS rear end.
I've no doubt given the time and talent at the factory that it handles well. It'd be interesting to compare to against a CSR and a DeDion S3 though. I wonder how far into the CSR camp it falls.
I'm looking to do exactly the same with my car eventually although I'm sure it requires a reasonable amount of chassis modification to locate the CSR rear components , so it'd never be a factory upgrade.
Supercharger project first, IRS project second... :0)
Between CC and Arch, I believe there are several development chassis (up to 14?) where different pickup points and system designs were tested. It's brilliant that Owain looked to use or modify an S3 chassis on the back of the CSR work to create an IRS rear end.
I've no doubt given the time and talent at the factory that it handles well. It'd be interesting to compare to against a CSR and a DeDion S3 though. I wonder how far into the CSR camp it falls.
I'm looking to do exactly the same with my car eventually although I'm sure it requires a reasonable amount of chassis modification to locate the CSR rear components , so it'd never be a factory upgrade.
Supercharger project first, IRS project second... :0)
Edited by k80rum on Saturday 21st February 19:41
Finchy172 said:
If someone has the funds then they could own a very special caterham which will no doubt out handle an R500 de dion in the right hands.
That can't be a given. It is notoriously hard to develop and set up an IRS that works well. Not saying it doesn't work, but why is it "without doubt"?Bert
Having looked round the car at Donington it looked very sweet.
I really don't understand people speculating on how it may not work well, especially when they have not seen/driven it is...that's a bit of an arse. If your in the market drive it back to back against a factory 500 and draw your own conclusions..............
I really don't understand people speculating on how it may not work well, especially when they have not seen/driven it is...that's a bit of an arse. If your in the market drive it back to back against a factory 500 and draw your own conclusions..............
I still cant understand why Caterham have not rolled out the IRS on the series 3. (this is a serious statement and not a trolling exercise)
Many other comparable manufacturers have such as Birkin, westfield, and the smaller kit manufacturers - although just because others ar doing it doesnt mean its the optimal solution ?
The only reason I can think of is that the de dion is acually quite good and an IRS would add cost, complexity, weight and no real benifit in lap times and "feel" ?
Given the time taken to design and impliment the CSR suspension and then clear air being put between the S3 race cars and the CSR race car with the change of tyre regs, I do wonder if the CSR is capable of lapping quicker than the S3 race cars gien the weight/power/suspension on equal tyres ?.
It would be fun to try a back to back on dedion and IRS around a track and on a road.
dave
Many other comparable manufacturers have such as Birkin, westfield, and the smaller kit manufacturers - although just because others ar doing it doesnt mean its the optimal solution ?
The only reason I can think of is that the de dion is acually quite good and an IRS would add cost, complexity, weight and no real benifit in lap times and "feel" ?
Given the time taken to design and impliment the CSR suspension and then clear air being put between the S3 race cars and the CSR race car with the change of tyre regs, I do wonder if the CSR is capable of lapping quicker than the S3 race cars gien the weight/power/suspension on equal tyres ?.
It would be fun to try a back to back on dedion and IRS around a track and on a road.
dave
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