caterham prices (rant)
Discussion
sam919 said:
James.S said:
Fergus - so let me get this right, you want the Caterahm Parts Department to go and look up the AP part number for you so you can go to a factors and buy them......and they wouldn't do it for you, jees what a complete set of tossers.
FFS, people do not appreciate what is involved in operating a parts department.
A caterham parts dep is for spoon fed caterham owners. An alternative method to get the same part from a motor factors is for the mechanically orientated.FFS, people do not appreciate what is involved in operating a parts department.
Two parts departments two different customers
In all honesty ive had better feedback with technical issues and parts finding from some local motor factors than caterham. Caterham want you to buy their part, motor factors want you to buy a part irrespective of manafacturer. If you have any sense you would buy a better known product than some mickey mouse product from the motor factor.
Euro car parts perfect example, BMW OEM parts the same as from BMW for a fraction of the cost.
How many rover bits for the k-series are over priced from caterham?
Euro car parts perfect example, BMW OEM parts the same as from BMW for a fraction of the cost.
How many rover bits for the k-series are over priced from caterham?
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Nothing to do with being 'nice'. I object to prices which are overly marked up that's all. What's wrong with saving money via a bulk buy for instance? I never said it was easy running a low volume manufacturing unit, but just because you are low volume doesn't mean prices must be jacked right up. I'm not sure where you're getting all these supposed quotes from?This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
Do you work for CC?
PS I have absolutely no 'brand' loyalty to Caterham. I like the car because of what it does, not what it 'is'....
Fergus, you use the terms "overly marked up" and "jacked up".
Where do you think it should be, lets say a part costing CC £20, let's presume it is fast moving and off the shelf to keep things simple.
and no I do not work for Caterham. I have raced and still do race in three of there factory series and owned a roadcar. I have my run ins with the Caterham boys but it get sorted in the end and I am happy to suppport a company from whose products I derive so much pleasure. If more people thought like this the country wouldn't.....blahh, blahh, rant.
Where do you think it should be, lets say a part costing CC £20, let's presume it is fast moving and off the shelf to keep things simple.
and no I do not work for Caterham. I have raced and still do race in three of there factory series and owned a roadcar. I have my run ins with the Caterham boys but it get sorted in the end and I am happy to suppport a company from whose products I derive so much pleasure. If more people thought like this the country wouldn't.....blahh, blahh, rant.
fergus said:
sam919 said:
James.S said:
Fergus - so let me get this right, you want the Caterahm Parts Department to go and look up the AP part number for you so you can go to a factors and buy them......and they wouldn't do it for you, jees what a complete set of tossers.
FFS, people do not appreciate what is involved in operating a parts department.
A caterham parts dep is for spoon fed caterham owners. An alternative method to get the same part from a motor factors is for the mechanically orientated.FFS, people do not appreciate what is involved in operating a parts department.
Two parts departments two different customers
BertBert said:
fergus said:
James.S said:
Where do you think it should be, lets say a part costing CC £20, let's presume it is fast moving and off the shelf to keep things simple.
It should be priced roughly in line with suppliers of the same or comparable part. Simple as that.Why would you mark in line with the rest of the street? Simple competition. What rationale consumer would knowingly buy a part that can be obtained cheaper elsewhere. Most Caterham parts can be bought on price alone as several are generic.
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
sam919 said:
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
I think the difference is that some of us are happy to pay a little over for some of the bits and bobs because we wish to support the chaps who build the cars we love. Just be realistic - pay more and be happy with it or go elsewhere. You do have a choice! It does gall when everyone thinks they can do better - if every customer that bought a Caterham but went elsewhere for all the servicing and all the spares/parts based on cost alone just how long could the company continue trading? would be a real shame to see that happen all for the sake of a few quid. Maybe you'd be better off with an MVR Vortex.
sam919 said:
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
James.S said:
sam919 said:
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
Edited by sam919 on Friday 13th March 13:17
Edited by sam919 on Friday 13th March 13:18
Vladimir said:
sam919 said:
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
I think the difference is that some of us are happy to pay a little over for some of the bits and bobs because we wish to support the chaps who build the cars we love. Just be realistic - pay more and be happy with it or go elsewhere. You do have a choice! It does gall when everyone thinks they can do better - if every customer that bought a Caterham but went elsewhere for all the servicing and all the spares/parts based on cost alone just how long could the company continue trading? would be a real shame to see that happen all for the sake of a few quid. Maybe you'd be better off with an MVR Vortex.
I havent met anyone yet on the track who had their car built by the chaps at caterham. Chassis-panels from caged/ arch, engines from independant engine builders other parts of the build from independant suppliers.
sam919 said:
Vladimir said:
sam919 said:
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
I think the difference is that some of us are happy to pay a little over for some of the bits and bobs because we wish to support the chaps who build the cars we love. Just be realistic - pay more and be happy with it or go elsewhere. You do have a choice! It does gall when everyone thinks they can do better - if every customer that bought a Caterham but went elsewhere for all the servicing and all the spares/parts based on cost alone just how long could the company continue trading? would be a real shame to see that happen all for the sake of a few quid. Maybe you'd be better off with an MVR Vortex.
I havent met anyone yet on the track who had their car built by the chaps at caterham. Chassis-panels from caged/ arch, engines from independant engine builders other parts of the build from independant suppliers.
Vladimir said:
sam919 said:
Vladimir said:
sam919 said:
James.S said:
LOL......
This is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Do you work for caterham? or just heavily up their arsThis is the one point about seven ownership I can't stand, the idea that it is "us" (customer) and "them" CC, mentality that is so prevelent on the other forum.
Why not get like BC and start a bulk buy so you can go directly to AP and cut the factor and CC out of the loop.....think of the till you chaps will be saving them.........FFS.
In fact why not sell your feckin Caterham and build your own, design it from scratch, set up a supply chain, workshop, assembly line, sales department, parts department, service department, marketing department, a mototsports department, after sales etc,etc,..........as a manufacturer you will be laughing as it is so feckin, piss easy .........you will be tilling it in in no time.
You'll be doing so will you could probably give the fecking spare parts away at cost....you nice chaps.
Edited by James.S on Friday 13th March 08:18
I think the difference is that some of us are happy to pay a little over for some of the bits and bobs because we wish to support the chaps who build the cars we love. Just be realistic - pay more and be happy with it or go elsewhere. You do have a choice! It does gall when everyone thinks they can do better - if every customer that bought a Caterham but went elsewhere for all the servicing and all the spares/parts based on cost alone just how long could the company continue trading? would be a real shame to see that happen all for the sake of a few quid. Maybe you'd be better off with an MVR Vortex.
I havent met anyone yet on the track who had their car built by the chaps at caterham. Chassis-panels from caged/ arch, engines from independant engine builders other parts of the build from independant suppliers.
I can see both sides of this.
Charging 64% more for a part is taking the piss in this market. It's not as if they're Ferraris etc or for people with similarly sized pockets (and trust me, I b
h and moan about their prices too!). Don't forget that the 21GBP kit will not be costing Caterham that. AP will already be making a profit at that level, even considering stocking charges, knowledgeable staff etc.
It would be nice to think that Caterham could still make a nice healthy, sustainable profit without bending people over.
That said, should you feel they are lubing you up, there's no point complaining when they won't tell you the part number. You either find it out for yourself (as you have done) and save money, or you get bummed on price
Charging 64% more for a part is taking the piss in this market. It's not as if they're Ferraris etc or for people with similarly sized pockets (and trust me, I b
h and moan about their prices too!). Don't forget that the 21GBP kit will not be costing Caterham that. AP will already be making a profit at that level, even considering stocking charges, knowledgeable staff etc. It would be nice to think that Caterham could still make a nice healthy, sustainable profit without bending people over.
That said, should you feel they are lubing you up, there's no point complaining when they won't tell you the part number. You either find it out for yourself (as you have done) and save money, or you get bummed on price
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