How to drive an R500 D properly...
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fergus said:
James.S said:
fergus said:
thequietone said:
I'm with a few other guys on this....most of the speed is in the car, not the driver, if you see what I mean. Lots and lots of time slipping away but that's not what it's always about. Cracking viewing though!
The ring is a bit like a hillclimb, in that a fast car does not a quick lap make! You need to be able to string the corners together well to go quickly there. Pointing and squirting is what the UK registered bikes do, and hold everyone up (they seem to forget they have mirrors)...Unlike moisture.....the chap does Spa in the damp and here you can see the weaker points to his style are magnified massively. I don't mind putting up some wet laps around Spa for comparision. PW75 can you assist fella?
Agreed that to get a quick lap, everything must come together, but there are few UK circuits that I can think of where the 1st corner affects the exit speed of the 3rd corner for example (other than the maggotts/beckets complex at slitherstone).... Several corners are also blind, unlike most UK circuits...
FFS - the link was put up as a bit of fun to show a relatively committed lap at the 'Ring. It wasn't an illustration of driving finesse or the perfect line.
James.S said:
fergus said:
James.S said:
fergus said:
thequietone said:
I'm with a few other guys on this....most of the speed is in the car, not the driver, if you see what I mean. Lots and lots of time slipping away but that's not what it's always about. Cracking viewing though!
The ring is a bit like a hillclimb, in that a fast car does not a quick lap make! You need to be able to string the corners together well to go quickly there. Pointing and squirting is what the UK registered bikes do, and hold everyone up (they seem to forget they have mirrors)...Unlike moisture.....the chap does Spa in the damp and here you can see the weaker points to his style are magnified massively. I don't mind putting up some wet laps around Spa for comparision. PW75 can you assist fella?
Agreed that to get a quick lap, everything must come together, but there are few UK circuits that I can think of where the 1st corner affects the exit speed of the 3rd corner for example (other than the maggotts/beckets complex at slitherstone).... Several corners are also blind, unlike most UK circuits...
FFS - the link was put up as a bit of fun to show a relatively committed lap at the 'Ring. It wasn't an illustration of driving finesse or the perfect line.
I should have perhaps titled the thread "An R500 driven with commitment"
jackal said:
fergus said:
jackal said:
this thread is ugly
constructive comment....haven't you got some headlamp bowls that need cleaning with a cotton bud?
Edited by fergus on Thursday 5th November 19:27
I thought it was a good video. I have no room to comment as I have never been to the ring and from what I have heard it is quite difficult to drive on.
In my experience with motorcycle racing, you can not watch a video of someone on a course you have never ridden and judge them. Go and ask any superbike racer or moto gp rider about the TT and they will say its a completely different kettle of fish. Very scary and much different to riding round Donnington.
In my experience with motorcycle racing, you can not watch a video of someone on a course you have never ridden and judge them. Go and ask any superbike racer or moto gp rider about the TT and they will say its a completely different kettle of fish. Very scary and much different to riding round Donnington.
Interesting thread here, the guy can obviously hang on to a caterham, however the "save" at 2.11 is self inflicted as he was simply on the wrong side of the track, as the bump is greater on the track on the left hand side.
Watch the dirk schermann gtr video and you will see the correct line
Watch the dirk schermann gtr video and you will see the correct line
Bulls
t - it's just a circuit ffs. The principles of driving round it quickly are exactly the same as at any other circuit, there's just more of it to learn and more things to hit if you fk up. If you want to ban people from commenting on it, I'd do it on the grounds that no-one (as far as I'm aware) on this thread has driven *that* car - it could be an evil-handling sack of st you'd be scared of crossing the carpark in for all we know.
t - it's just a circuit ffs. The principles of driving round it quickly are exactly the same as at any other circuit, there's just more of it to learn and more things to hit if you fk up. If you want to ban people from commenting on it, I'd do it on the grounds that no-one (as far as I'm aware) on this thread has driven *that* car - it could be an evil-handling sack of st you'd be scared of crossing the carpark in for all we know.sfaulds said:
Bullst - it's just a circuit ffs. The principles of driving round it quickly are exactly the same as at any other circuit, there's just more of it to learn and more things to hit if you fk up. If you want to ban people from commenting on it, I'd do it on the grounds that no-one (as far as I'm aware) on this thread has driven *that* car - it could be an evil-handling sack of st you'd be scared of crossing the carpark in for all we know.
Those who are suggesting "it's just another circuit" seem to be the ones who have no experience of the place? t - it's just a circuit ffs. The principles of driving round it quickly are exactly the same as at any other circuit, there's just more of it to learn and more things to hit if you fk up. If you want to ban people from commenting on it, I'd do it on the grounds that no-one (as far as I'm aware) on this thread has driven *that* car - it could be an evil-handling sack of st you'd be scared of crossing the carpark in for all we know. No commentary 'bans' coming from my direction, only those where people are making strong comments based upon no real experience.....Again, for those that know the circuit, I think the car handles OK, other than where it's thrown off line by some of the bumps and cambers. But you knew that already, right?
It is just another circuit - what do you think it is? I happen to think it's the best circuit in the world, but it also attracts more bullst and hype than any other.
And if you read what I typed, I didn't say it was a bad handling car, just that since you've never driven it you wouldn't know. However, I appreciate that this is an internet forum, and therefore knowledge is irrelevant.
t and hype than any other.And if you read what I typed, I didn't say it was a bad handling car, just that since you've never driven it you wouldn't know. However, I appreciate that this is an internet forum, and therefore knowledge is irrelevant.
fergus said:
sfaulds said:
Bullst - it's just a circuit ffs. The principles of driving round it quickly are exactly the same as at any other circuit, there's just more of it to learn and more things to hit if you fk up. If you want to ban people from commenting on it, I'd do it on the grounds that no-one (as far as I'm aware) on this thread has driven *that* car - it could be an evil-handling sack of st you'd be scared of crossing the carpark in for all we know.
Those who are suggesting "it's just another circuit" seem to be the ones who have no experience of the place? t - it's just a circuit ffs. The principles of driving round it quickly are exactly the same as at any other circuit, there's just more of it to learn and more things to hit if you fk up. If you want to ban people from commenting on it, I'd do it on the grounds that no-one (as far as I'm aware) on this thread has driven *that* car - it could be an evil-handling sack of st you'd be scared of crossing the carpark in for all we know. No commentary 'bans' coming from my direction, only those where people are making strong comments based upon no real experience.....Again, for those that know the circuit, I think the car handles OK, other than where it's thrown off line by some of the bumps and cambers. But you knew that already, right?
Please enlighten me as to why things change in the Eifel mountains.......and please don't say odd cambers, lack of run off and blid corners as most circuits have this.
Incidentally the comment about academy/roadsport racers not being able to watch and comment on a drivers ability is spurious, most are very capable and commited to developing further than a trackday warrior........ but you probably noticed that at Rockingham.
Edited by James.S on Friday 6th November 17:09
James.S said:
Please enlighten me as to why things change in the Eifel mountains.......and please don't say odd cambers, lack of run off and blid corners as most circuits have this.
Incidentally the comment about academy/roadsport racers is a little uncalled for, most are very capable and commited to developing further than a trackday warrior........ but you probably noticed that at Rockingham.
As aluded to below, I can't think of many circuits where the 3rd corner is a function of the 1st corner in terms of exit speed?Incidentally the comment about academy/roadsport racers is a little uncalled for, most are very capable and commited to developing further than a trackday warrior........ but you probably noticed that at Rockingham.
Didn't get the Rockingham comment? Care to expand?
fergus said:
James.S said:
Please enlighten me as to why things change in the Eifel mountains.......and please don't say odd cambers, lack of run off and blid corners as most circuits have this.
Incidentally the comment about academy/roadsport racers is a little uncalled for, most are very capable and commited to developing further than a trackday warrior........ but you probably noticed that at Rockingham.
As aluded to below, I can't think of many circuits where the 3rd corner is a function of the 1st corner in terms of exit speed?Incidentally the comment about academy/roadsport racers is a little uncalled for, most are very capable and commited to developing further than a trackday warrior........ but you probably noticed that at Rockingham.
Didn't get the Rockingham comment? Care to expand?
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