RE: More horses for Pony car
Discussion
LuS1fer said:
Like people say, even comparing a 4 seater GT capable of crushing continents in one sitting to a dedicated and focused track car on track tyres is either a huge compliment to the Mustang or totally stupid. Personally, I'll be in and gone before the Exige driver has wrestled his way in and will be blasting some rock tunes while basking in the a/c.
my copilot on the run to morocco owns a VXT and even 'he' joked that he couldn't imagine us doing the same journey in the VX and be in the same shape each evening. chalk and cheese.
'live rear axle' - nothing wrong with it. A live rear axle car can stick to the road just as good as an IRS setup car (as long as it's been setup right). It just does not have as much 'finesse' and is susceptible to mid corner bumps that can unsettle the rear. Thankfully, the new Mustang has supposedly one of the best live rear axle setups out there at the moment. I've got one. And it sticks very nicely to the tarmac thank you very much...
People bang on about 'it doesn't handle'. Now, I don't know about a lot of you guys, but 'handling' is different to 'grip'. Handling in my book encompasses elements of 'steering with the rear'. I wonder how many of these people that say it doesn't handle, actually perform a bit of 'steer with the rear' on the public road. Thought so... I'd say very little. How often do you see drivers 'powersliding' their way around roundabouts. I'd guess at maybe never.
I reckon around 95% of people that say 'it doesn't handle' do not know how to 'handle' a car properly anyway. Which means that they are talking rubbish.
I remember years ago, my brother bought a Renault 19 16-valve. When these were really popular and relatively quick for the time. My brother thought he was somekind of speed demon in this hot hatch. One day he was following a Mk2 Escort RS (yep, the old 'live rear axle' version) at speed. I was in the car with him. We hit a large roundabout following this Escort. My brother thought he would 'have him'. Let me tell you, this old Escort blasted round the roundabout at maybe 70+ mph. My brother was getting whipped, he couldn't match the pace and had to back off to keep the car in check...
So... don't give me all this crap about 'live rear axle' cars are crap, etc, etc... don't handle, etc, etc... Mustangs are winning absolutely loads of races in their FR500 cars at the moment in the states. And all manner of European offerings are currently running in the series, including BMW's, etc.
Get your facts straight, think for yourself, don't follow the herd...
People bang on about 'it doesn't handle'. Now, I don't know about a lot of you guys, but 'handling' is different to 'grip'. Handling in my book encompasses elements of 'steering with the rear'. I wonder how many of these people that say it doesn't handle, actually perform a bit of 'steer with the rear' on the public road. Thought so... I'd say very little. How often do you see drivers 'powersliding' their way around roundabouts. I'd guess at maybe never.
I reckon around 95% of people that say 'it doesn't handle' do not know how to 'handle' a car properly anyway. Which means that they are talking rubbish.
I remember years ago, my brother bought a Renault 19 16-valve. When these were really popular and relatively quick for the time. My brother thought he was somekind of speed demon in this hot hatch. One day he was following a Mk2 Escort RS (yep, the old 'live rear axle' version) at speed. I was in the car with him. We hit a large roundabout following this Escort. My brother thought he would 'have him'. Let me tell you, this old Escort blasted round the roundabout at maybe 70+ mph. My brother was getting whipped, he couldn't match the pace and had to back off to keep the car in check...
So... don't give me all this crap about 'live rear axle' cars are crap, etc, etc... don't handle, etc, etc... Mustangs are winning absolutely loads of races in their FR500 cars at the moment in the states. And all manner of European offerings are currently running in the series, including BMW's, etc.
Get your facts straight, think for yourself, don't follow the herd...
Check out this video clip...
They are reviewing the Ford GT and Mustang GT in this clip, on the track. It's a standard GT, listen for the comments about the rear axle, and the car is going plenty fast around the track on it's 'sloppy' standard suspension.
With our relatively simple modifications... a lot of us are probably running cars that are quicker (power wise) and with stickier, better braking chassis...
www.cars.com/go/video/motorweek/videoPopup.jsp?makeid=14&year=2005&modelid=25&location=MW_L_2005_MustangGT_GT.flv
Cheers
Dazza
They are reviewing the Ford GT and Mustang GT in this clip, on the track. It's a standard GT, listen for the comments about the rear axle, and the car is going plenty fast around the track on it's 'sloppy' standard suspension.
With our relatively simple modifications... a lot of us are probably running cars that are quicker (power wise) and with stickier, better braking chassis...
www.cars.com/go/video/motorweek/videoPopup.jsp?makeid=14&year=2005&modelid=25&location=MW_L_2005_MustangGT_GT.flv
Cheers
Dazza
Amen. How about a comparison with the Exige by 6' racing drivers with a Le Mans start - you know where they had to run across the track to their cars, then get in, start up and drive off...
It's a stupid comparison, TG should be viewed as entertainment. It did make me mad when I saw the GT500 piece, the rest of the programme just made me laugh. Which is exactly what it was meant to do.
It's a stupid comparison, TG should be viewed as entertainment. It did make me mad when I saw the GT500 piece, the rest of the programme just made me laugh. Which is exactly what it was meant to do.
lets compare the two biasing the bar the other way....
how about a 3000 mile blast across europe stopping as little as possible, then a few blasts up the drag strip
live axles work better than independants on the 1/4 mile because there is no camber or track change under acceleration, something that is totaly impossible with an IRS
when you consider that 90% of mustang buyers will be in the US, and a large number of those will do what mustang owners do - bolt a few parts on and take it to the track every weekend, i think the decision to use a live axle is spot on, for the tiny proportion of buyers that want handling over the normal mustang layout, there is the rousch. the reality is that many customers of the mustang in the US would be put off by an IRS, as it would be a disadvantage for what they do..
and realisticly, even in europe, if you are driving fast enough to find the limits of the mustang live axle, especialy when tweaked with dampers springs etc, you deserve to be strung up by your nether regions, as you would be driving well outside the law, and safety...
this is a ROAD car, my drive to work doesn't include any race track, so its on track behaviour is of no interest to me..
its now virtualy impossible to drive fast on the road, and if you do, sooner or later you're going to loose your license, inless you do a lot of trackdays, the solid rear is fine.
not worth loosing thousands of US customers, to please a few europeans.
how about a 3000 mile blast across europe stopping as little as possible, then a few blasts up the drag strip
live axles work better than independants on the 1/4 mile because there is no camber or track change under acceleration, something that is totaly impossible with an IRS
when you consider that 90% of mustang buyers will be in the US, and a large number of those will do what mustang owners do - bolt a few parts on and take it to the track every weekend, i think the decision to use a live axle is spot on, for the tiny proportion of buyers that want handling over the normal mustang layout, there is the rousch. the reality is that many customers of the mustang in the US would be put off by an IRS, as it would be a disadvantage for what they do..
and realisticly, even in europe, if you are driving fast enough to find the limits of the mustang live axle, especialy when tweaked with dampers springs etc, you deserve to be strung up by your nether regions, as you would be driving well outside the law, and safety...
this is a ROAD car, my drive to work doesn't include any race track, so its on track behaviour is of no interest to me..
its now virtualy impossible to drive fast on the road, and if you do, sooner or later you're going to loose your license, inless you do a lot of trackdays, the solid rear is fine.
not worth loosing thousands of US customers, to please a few europeans.
Edited by philoldsmobile on Monday 16th April 22:29
Edited by philoldsmobile on Monday 16th April 22:30
Edited by philoldsmobile on Monday 16th April 22:31
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