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Hi there
Where is this fighting torque event gonna be located and what is the date?
Might bring the CSL along.
It may lack the brute power/torque of what my Mustang had but what it does have in its favour is technology and lightweight. BMW quote a 4.8s 0-62mph and I think Autocar or one of the press reviews at the time got 0-60mph in 4.5s with launch control and 0-100mph came up in circa 10.5s so not slow.
The Mustang was similar to 60mph because it was very hard to launch in comparison and obviously once moving it was very very quick, 60-130mph in just 10s is testamont to that but would be interesting to see how the CSL coped in comparison, especially against a GT500 running stock power levels as due to the weight they aint that particular quick. A supercharged Mustang GT however is quick and a lot cheaper than a Shelby.
Where is this fighting torque event gonna be located and what is the date?
Might bring the CSL along.
It may lack the brute power/torque of what my Mustang had but what it does have in its favour is technology and lightweight. BMW quote a 4.8s 0-62mph and I think Autocar or one of the press reviews at the time got 0-60mph in 4.5s with launch control and 0-100mph came up in circa 10.5s so not slow.
The Mustang was similar to 60mph because it was very hard to launch in comparison and obviously once moving it was very very quick, 60-130mph in just 10s is testamont to that but would be interesting to see how the CSL coped in comparison, especially against a GT500 running stock power levels as due to the weight they aint that particular quick. A supercharged Mustang GT however is quick and a lot cheaper than a Shelby.
Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Thursday 2nd August 21:20
longbow said:
..and I am racing it 
This is getting really interesting now. On the one hand we have two CSLs. One owner is a man who has previously run a modified Saleen and says his CSL SMG is better. I've just found out that the guy bringing the 600 horse Mustang Evolution just sold his CSL to buy the Mustang which he bought with UK Gibbos advice....curiouser and curiouser.
Gentlemen, take your positions, blanket bombing will commence at the airstrip. Damn, wish I was going.
Gentlemen, take your positions, blanket bombing will commence at the airstrip. Damn, wish I was going.
LuS1fer said:
This is getting really interesting now. On the one hand we have two CSLs. One owner is a man who has previously run a modified Saleen and says his CSL SMG is better. I've just found out that the guy bringing the 600 horse Mustang Evolution just sold his CSL to buy the Mustang which he bought with UK Gibbos advice....curiouser and curiouser.
Gentlemen, take your positions, blanket bombing will commence at the airstrip. Damn, wish I was going.
Hi thereGentlemen, take your positions, blanket bombing will commence at the airstrip. Damn, wish I was going.
Don't put words into mouth m8. My CSL SMG is better in someways, not all.
In a straight line the Saleen was quicker without doubt, its only downfall was getting a good sub 5s launch, wheras the CSL launches very easy in comparison. If a Shelby GT500 is indeed 10.3s 0-100mph that would have put my Saleen no doubt circa 8.5 - 9s as it was over 200kg lighter and had a tad more power, plus the suspension setup help put that power down better.
A CSL in a straight line will not beat a Shelby GT500 or any other supercharged Mustang, but it would put up a good fight against an N/A one and maybe even the bottom spec Roush supercharged cars, but I am not 100% sure on how quick those are.
If the other chap your mentioning is DMC, aka Dave then yes we spoke. The car your mentioning I did not suggest he buy but basically adviced him on what to ask and check out on the car. If its the car I think it was then it should be hugely fast, because I believe it was over 600 horses.
Where the CSL is better than my Saleen Mustang is corners, its just plain simple when it comes to B-Roads, your favourite roundabout or whatever includes a turn the CSL is quicker, plain and simple. On a nice smooth track I suspect a decent sorted Mustang would not be too far behind on corners, but on UK roads apart from the smoothest ones the CSL would be ahead, all being drivers equal in skill that is.
This certainly sounds like an event worth turning upto not only to have a good thrash in the car but also great opportunity to see lots of great machinery.
[OcUK]Gibbo said:
LuS1fer said:
This is getting really interesting now. On the one hand we have two CSLs. One owner is a man who has previously run a modified Saleen and says his CSL SMG is better. I've just found out that the guy bringing the 600 horse Mustang Evolution just sold his CSL to buy the Mustang which he bought with UK Gibbos advice....curiouser and curiouser.
Gentlemen, take your positions, blanket bombing will commence at the airstrip. Damn, wish I was going.
Hi thereGentlemen, take your positions, blanket bombing will commence at the airstrip. Damn, wish I was going.
Don't put words into mouth m8. My CSL SMG is better in someways, not all.
In a straight line the Saleen was quicker without doubt, its only downfall was getting a good sub 5s launch, wheras the CSL launches very easy in comparison. If a Shelby GT500 is indeed 10.3s 0-100mph that would have put my Saleen no doubt circa 8.5 - 9s as it was over 200kg lighter and had a tad more power, plus the suspension setup help put that power down better.
A CSL in a straight line will not beat a Shelby GT500 or any other supercharged Mustang, but it would put up a good fight against an N/A one and maybe even the bottom spec Roush supercharged cars, but I am not 100% sure on how quick those are.
If the other chap your mentioning is DMC, aka Dave then yes we spoke. The car your mentioning I did not suggest he buy but basically adviced him on what to ask and check out on the car. If its the car I think it was then it should be hugely fast, because I believe it was over 600 horses.
Where the CSL is better than my Saleen Mustang is corners, its just plain simple when it comes to B-Roads, your favourite roundabout or whatever includes a turn the CSL is quicker, plain and simple. On a nice smooth track I suspect a decent sorted Mustang would not be too far behind on corners, but on UK roads apart from the smoothest ones the CSL would be ahead, all being drivers equal in skill that is.
This certainly sounds like an event worth turning upto not only to have a good thrash in the car but also great opportunity to see lots of great machinery.
They're both great cars and I think we've established in different ways. 
The CSL is, after all, a smaller, lighter and more expensive car. I'm sure you wouldn't have bought it if what you say isn't true.Yep thats me (DMC/Dave) I sold my CSL and bought a heavily modified Shelby GT-500 (the modification pack i have is called "Evolution" in the states I believe.. )
Yep the CSL is better in the twisties, no shadow of a doubt. But when you rev the nuts off it, it doesn't make children and women cry and grown men stop and stare. Nor does it have the sheer brute force that my mustang has. I've only driven two cars that actually scared me when under WOT, and they are the Mustang and a Merc SL-65 AMG.
I was asked on another forum if the CSL was hard to live with and i replied as follows.
"Not at all .. the CSL was a much more practical commuting car..the shelby is a bloody handful..
But this car has 50 x the character of the CSL. And if all i wanted was a perfect car that executes every corner without any fuss then i'd have bought a porsche (like i had before - 996 turbo)or kept the CSL. But after a while the teutonic nature of porsche and bmw leave you cold. They're just another german engineering solution. They don't have any character or charisma,(edit: perhaps I should say "much" instead of "any) and thats something that keeps you coming back to the car time after time after time.
(I exclude the extreme versions of bmw and porsche from this, M3 CSL-GTR, GT2, RSR, etc)
Let me put it like this, the last time i got out of bed at 11pm at night and went for a drive (just for the sheer joy of driving) was when i was 25, and had just bought my first porsche. Yet it in 5 days of ownership of the Mustang i've done it 3 times. "
Yep the CSL is better in the twisties, no shadow of a doubt. But when you rev the nuts off it, it doesn't make children and women cry and grown men stop and stare. Nor does it have the sheer brute force that my mustang has. I've only driven two cars that actually scared me when under WOT, and they are the Mustang and a Merc SL-65 AMG.
I was asked on another forum if the CSL was hard to live with and i replied as follows.
"Not at all .. the CSL was a much more practical commuting car..the shelby is a bloody handful..
But this car has 50 x the character of the CSL. And if all i wanted was a perfect car that executes every corner without any fuss then i'd have bought a porsche (like i had before - 996 turbo)or kept the CSL. But after a while the teutonic nature of porsche and bmw leave you cold. They're just another german engineering solution. They don't have any character or charisma,(edit: perhaps I should say "much" instead of "any) and thats something that keeps you coming back to the car time after time after time.
(I exclude the extreme versions of bmw and porsche from this, M3 CSL-GTR, GT2, RSR, etc)
Let me put it like this, the last time i got out of bed at 11pm at night and went for a drive (just for the sheer joy of driving) was when i was 25, and had just bought my first porsche. Yet it in 5 days of ownership of the Mustang i've done it 3 times. "
killerm5 said:
Yep thats me (DMC/Dave) I sold my CSL and bought a heavily modified Shelby GT-500 (the modification pack i have is called "Evolution" in the states I believe.. )
Yep the CSL is better in the twisties, no shadow of a doubt. But when you rev the nuts off it, it doesn't make children and women cry and grown men stop and stare. Nor does it have the sheer brute force that my mustang has. I've only driven two cars that actually scared me when under WOT, and they are the Mustang and a Merc SL-65 AMG.
I was asked on another forum if the CSL was hard to live with and i replied as follows.
"Not at all .. the CSL was a much more practical commuting car..the shelby is a bloody handful..
But this car has 50 x the character of the CSL. And if all i wanted was a perfect car that executes every corner without any fuss then i'd have bought a porsche (like i had before - 996 turbo)or kept the CSL. But after a while the teutonic nature of porsche and bmw leave you cold. They're just another german engineering solution. They don't have any character or charisma,(edit: perhaps I should say "much" instead of "any) and thats something that keeps you coming back to the car time after time after time.
(I exclude the extreme versions of bmw and porsche from this, M3 CSL-GTR, GT2, RSR, etc)
Let me put it like this, the last time i got out of bed at 11pm at night and went for a drive (just for the sheer joy of driving) was when i was 25, and had just bought my first porsche. Yet it in 5 days of ownership of the Mustang i've done it 3 times. "
Hi DaveYep the CSL is better in the twisties, no shadow of a doubt. But when you rev the nuts off it, it doesn't make children and women cry and grown men stop and stare. Nor does it have the sheer brute force that my mustang has. I've only driven two cars that actually scared me when under WOT, and they are the Mustang and a Merc SL-65 AMG.
I was asked on another forum if the CSL was hard to live with and i replied as follows.
"Not at all .. the CSL was a much more practical commuting car..the shelby is a bloody handful..
But this car has 50 x the character of the CSL. And if all i wanted was a perfect car that executes every corner without any fuss then i'd have bought a porsche (like i had before - 996 turbo)or kept the CSL. But after a while the teutonic nature of porsche and bmw leave you cold. They're just another german engineering solution. They don't have any character or charisma,(edit: perhaps I should say "much" instead of "any) and thats something that keeps you coming back to the car time after time after time.
(I exclude the extreme versions of bmw and porsche from this, M3 CSL-GTR, GT2, RSR, etc)
Let me put it like this, the last time i got out of bed at 11pm at night and went for a drive (just for the sheer joy of driving) was when i was 25, and had just bought my first porsche. Yet it in 5 days of ownership of the Mustang i've done it 3 times. "
Glad your enjoying the Mustang, so guess you went with that rather special GT500 in the end then.
A agree with what your saying as well. Guess were both in very good positions to judge as you just sold a CSL and got a tuned/modded GT500 and I've just purchased a CSL which replaced my highly modded Saleen Mustang.
Like you I agree the CSL is a better car in the twisties and its engineered to a great level of quality. Will agree the Mustangs are great when putting the power down as the long gearing really helps, thats the most annoying thing in the CSL is that 2nd gear is so short, the Mustang was good for an additional 15mph on top in 2nd.
My Mustang was reasonably practical, its only issues were its size and the suspension transmitted a lot of road noise due to the Steeda upgrades I made but they did transform the handling so cannot complain.
The CSL is definetely more practical, smaller, less road noise and actually when in full auto a better cruiser, the CSL is not as hardcore as some people, mainly the press make it out to be.
Like you though I am finding myself going out for drives or taking huge detours on the way from work to home in the CSL. Yes I did the same in the Mustang too. In one week I've put about £120 of fuel into the CSL as its such a joy to drive and the speed it can take corners at is something else, plus the SMG makes going too fast all to easy.
Enjoy the Mustang m8, I thorougly enjoyed mine and do miss it, but I am really enjoying the CSL too. Two very different cars but equally amazing.
Yep your experiences mirror mine to some degree, although I came out of a modified 996 Turbo to get into my CSL.
My Mustang does 90mph in second, and 140mph in 3rd and thats short shifting, way before redline. (on a private test track obviously)
6th Gear is more or less useless at anything under 120mph... and getting in automated car parks is a pain in the ass as it's LHD.
My Mustang does 90mph in second, and 140mph in 3rd and thats short shifting, way before redline. (on a private test track obviously)
6th Gear is more or less useless at anything under 120mph... and getting in automated car parks is a pain in the ass as it's LHD.
killerm5 said:
Yep your experiences mirror mine to some degree, although I came out of a modified 996 Turbo to get into my CSL.
My Mustang does 90mph in second, and 140mph in 3rd and thats short shifting, way before redline. (on a private test track obviously)
6th Gear is more or less useless at anything under 120mph... and getting in automated car parks is a pain in the ass as it's LHD.
Hi DaveMy Mustang does 90mph in second, and 140mph in 3rd and thats short shifting, way before redline. (on a private test track obviously)
6th Gear is more or less useless at anything under 120mph... and getting in automated car parks is a pain in the ass as it's LHD.
That some serious tall gearing on your Mustang.
My Mustang had 3.55 gears and was a manual. Because of the 20" wheels it topped about 85mph in 2nd and about 125mph in 3rd. In 4th it was about 164mph and it certainly got there very quickly. 5th was an overdrive and I never tried to push the car in 5th.
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