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Went on again after the rejected order mess yesterday and ship date is now June. 6 months... that's a bit of a joke really.
I think they are doing a lot of damage to their brand making people pre order for 6 months ahead.
That gives the other brands a lot of time to stock up and release their product.
I was fully committed to Rift and as soon as I saw the pre order I tried to put it in. Now, 24 hours later, I am not going to order.
The interesting thing is they are clearly selling them as their website crashed etc...
I think they are doing a lot of damage to their brand making people pre order for 6 months ahead.
That gives the other brands a lot of time to stock up and release their product.
I was fully committed to Rift and as soon as I saw the pre order I tried to put it in. Now, 24 hours later, I am not going to order.
The interesting thing is they are clearly selling them as their website crashed etc...
CEO did a Q&A last night on Reddit.
Apologised for his 'ball park' figures in the past.
Quite an interesting read but im still annoyed its so expensive!
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3zt7ul/i_am...
Apologised for his 'ball park' figures in the past.
Quite an interesting read but im still annoyed its so expensive!
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3zt7ul/i_am...
red_slr said:
I think the real kicker with the price is the fact they are not doing an exchange rate on it - rather sticking with $599/£499.
Basically getting an extra c.$130 per UK customer. That to me is very much not on.
There's the usual problem of US prices being quoted without their sales tax and our import duty. If you have ever been to the US you'll know that the price you see is not the price you pay !Basically getting an extra c.$130 per UK customer. That to me is very much not on.
red_slr said:
I think the real kicker with the price is the fact they are not doing an exchange rate on it - rather sticking with $599/£499.
Basically getting an extra c.$130 per UK customer. That to me is very much not on.
The US price of $599 is excluding tax. The UK price of £499 includes VAT. Taking the 20% for VAT off the UK £499 leaves £399.20. US $599 to pounds is £410. So it's actually about right, just that the end user price in the US will depend on which state they're in, as sales tax varies by state.Basically getting an extra c.$130 per UK customer. That to me is very much not on.
Having said that, it's still too expensive for me. Now got my eyes open for a DK2.
red_slr said:
"Taxes, Surcharges and Fees: Applicable shipping, taxes and duties will be added to and charged in your payment upon shipment of the unit."
Does this mean they are going to add VAT and import duty to the £499....
No. They are quoting the UK price, and in the UK the price you see is the price you pay (unless it's an airfare of course).Does this mean they are going to add VAT and import duty to the £499....
It is expensive but after reading the OR CE0's explanation I can sort of understand where the cost is coming from.
"The core technology in the Rift is the main driver - two built-for-VR OLED displays with very high refresh rate and pixel density, a very precise tracking system, mechanical adjustment systems that must be lightweight, durable, and precise, and cutting-edge optics that are more complex to manufacture than many high end DSLR lenses. It is expensive, but for the $599 you spend, you get a lot more than spending $599 on pretty much any other consumer electronics devices - phones that cost $599 cost a fraction of that to make, same with mid-range TVs that cost $599"
So it is packed with a lot of cutting edge tech which costs money. Does anyone know what resolution the retail kit will be at? There were complaints that even the 1080p of the DK2 weren't really good enough.
"The core technology in the Rift is the main driver - two built-for-VR OLED displays with very high refresh rate and pixel density, a very precise tracking system, mechanical adjustment systems that must be lightweight, durable, and precise, and cutting-edge optics that are more complex to manufacture than many high end DSLR lenses. It is expensive, but for the $599 you spend, you get a lot more than spending $599 on pretty much any other consumer electronics devices - phones that cost $599 cost a fraction of that to make, same with mid-range TVs that cost $599"
So it is packed with a lot of cutting edge tech which costs money. Does anyone know what resolution the retail kit will be at? There were complaints that even the 1080p of the DK2 weren't really good enough.
I know I could do my own research but can the rift be used as a normal monitor? can I watch films on it say with vlc? in just normal 2d? is it capable of playing films in 3d?
Can I play wow, csgo etc on it?
As you can see I just don't get it, its a £500 device tbut does it only work with niche games?
Can I play wow, csgo etc on it?
As you can see I just don't get it, its a £500 device tbut does it only work with niche games?
Foliage said:
I know I could do my own research but can the rift be used as a normal monitor? can I watch films on it say with vlc? in just normal 2d? is it capable of playing films in 3d?
Can I play wow, csgo etc on it?
As you can see I just don't get it, its a £500 device tbut does it only work with niche games?
I am sure someone will correct me but I am fairly sure you can watch films and there will be a film "app" also and specific films for rift in 3D too.Can I play wow, csgo etc on it?
As you can see I just don't get it, its a £500 device tbut does it only work with niche games?
I think the issue is not the cost per say but the fact they had been stating in the ballpark of $350 (even at £350 I would have been straight in)
1080 isn't really good enough, you get what is called screen door which means you can see the pixels as your eyes are so close. The DK2 had one screen split in two in effect 2 960x1080 viewing areas. The CV1 is 2160×1200 not massively higher but enough apparently due to a number of other factors to make screen door negligible.
1080 isn't really good enough, you get what is called screen door which means you can see the pixels as your eyes are so close. The DK2 had one screen split in two in effect 2 960x1080 viewing areas. The CV1 is 2160×1200 not massively higher but enough apparently due to a number of other factors to make screen door negligible.
The HTC Vive looks like it's the same resolution and refresh but other features haven't been confirmed. The Sony VR headset is only 1080p and I'm not sure a ps4 will be able to push anything more than that anyway so technology wise it will be lagging behind the others.
We are in the VR infancy though and there are some very big companies backing it so I have hopes it won't just disappear and they keep developing it. I can't wait to see how it develops over the next few years as I think this is the future and in 10 years time, we'll be wondering why we ever used flat monitors to game at all.
We are in the VR infancy though and there are some very big companies backing it so I have hopes it won't just disappear and they keep developing it. I can't wait to see how it develops over the next few years as I think this is the future and in 10 years time, we'll be wondering why we ever used flat monitors to game at all.
£300 value projected when it was DK1, £500 price now... inflation and overruns I guess, it's years since it was announced!
As for the specs to run the thing, that is dual screens at high res at 100fps, so quite demanding.
BUT, Nvidia are clearly ignoring the idea of just turning some settings down a bit.
Games these days increasingly look 'ok' at low or medium and run oodles more FPS. Chances are the whole 'VR' experience will change how things are done... ie, peripheral elements might be rendered at higher LOD distances vs vision central stuff etc.
I think I might still buy, but not at that price. I'll wait for a friend to buy one, make sure it's worth it and try it out, then buy for £450 which they'll be at by winter I bet!
Dave
As for the specs to run the thing, that is dual screens at high res at 100fps, so quite demanding.
BUT, Nvidia are clearly ignoring the idea of just turning some settings down a bit.
Games these days increasingly look 'ok' at low or medium and run oodles more FPS. Chances are the whole 'VR' experience will change how things are done... ie, peripheral elements might be rendered at higher LOD distances vs vision central stuff etc.
I think I might still buy, but not at that price. I'll wait for a friend to buy one, make sure it's worth it and try it out, then buy for £450 which they'll be at by winter I bet!
Dave
mikef said:
Now shipping has gone out to June I've sort of lost interest for the moment
I find the comments on pricing slightly amusing in a forum populated by folks who will happily spend a few hundred on a video card; most people thing we're nuts doing that already
Yeah I know, my main gaming monitor was nearly £400... I find the comments on pricing slightly amusing in a forum populated by folks who will happily spend a few hundred on a video card; most people thing we're nuts doing that already
But I think the issue is they say its gonna be around x then its significantly more than that, plus oculus are now owned by facebook a company I don't really trust, how much say have they had on pricing in order to get a return on their investment? I know its not the simplest piece of technology, but up until this announcement oculus was pretty clear on the price they where aiming at.
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