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I agree. I was addressing the point that snuffy made that was he would use a M&KB which simply not going to work in most VR scenarios.
VR has given the market a boost in alternative controller technology as it is required. I actually owner A razor hydra for a while, very little support for it which is the issue, it's catch 22.
The inclusion of an xbox controller is weird, you'd expect almost everyone who was interested would already have a controller of some kind. They should have included the touch controllers. I believe the Valve offering will include the specialist controllers in the package.
VR has given the market a boost in alternative controller technology as it is required. I actually owner A razor hydra for a while, very little support for it which is the issue, it's catch 22.
The inclusion of an xbox controller is weird, you'd expect almost everyone who was interested would already have a controller of some kind. They should have included the touch controllers. I believe the Valve offering will include the specialist controllers in the package.
snuffy said:
This thing has been vapourware for a considerable length of time (to the point where I myself doubted it even existed at all). Now you can buy one, oh wait, you can have it in 6 months time. So it's still vapourware - if you have to wait 6 months then it still does not actually exist.
The phone industry does not do this. This launch a new phone and you can go and buy one (or you maybe have to wait a few days) - but 6 months ? Really ? They don't actually have a product, do they ?
You realise this is really the 3rd edition of them right? Yes the others were developer editions but they sold 175000 of those... The phone industry does not do this. This launch a new phone and you can go and buy one (or you maybe have to wait a few days) - but 6 months ? Really ? They don't actually have a product, do they ?
RobDickinson said:
You realise this is really the 3rd edition of them right? Yes the others were developer editions but they sold 175000 of those...
Yes I do.But the fact remains if you order one today, you'll get it in June, i.e. 6 months away. Technically they exist, but in reality they don't. If I can't get a product for another 6 months then to my mind it does not exist.
snuffy said:
RobDickinson said:
You realise this is really the 3rd edition of them right? Yes the others were developer editions but they sold 175000 of those...
Yes I do.But the fact remains if you order one today, you'll get it in June, i.e. 6 months away. Technically they exist, but in reality they don't. If I can't get a product for another 6 months then to my mind it does not exist.
jammy_basturd said:
What about new cars?! If you order a new car you generally get it months from now - are they vapourware too?
There are plenty of showrooms I could walk in tomorrow and buy a brand new car and not wait 6 months for one.This is a consumer product, it should be off the shelf. For example, I ordered a PS3 and got it on the day of release, they same as everyone else. There wasn't a 6 month queue.
snuffy said:
There are plenty of showrooms I could walk in tomorrow and buy a brand new car and not wait 6 months for one.
This is a consumer product, it should be off the shelf. For example, I ordered a PS3 and got it on the day of release, they same as everyone else. There wasn't a 6 month queue.
You could get one if you wanted a Ford Focus. That's a normal monitor.This is a consumer product, it should be off the shelf. For example, I ordered a PS3 and got it on the day of release, they same as everyone else. There wasn't a 6 month queue.
If you ordered a Porsche GT4 you'd have to wait months to get it. That's Oculus Rift.
In the world of higher end products, many things have a relatively long lead time.
Snuffy what are you on about 
If you want to go and pick up on Oculus Rift, you can buy a used on one eBay. Right now - just like a used car. Or, you can order (and wait for) your new one to be built. No different.
And marketing disaster? The price is double what they claimed, and they've already pre-sold 3 months worth of manufacturing.
It's a cutting edge product people have been waiting 2 years for, the first 'decent' VR device released to the public. Of course there are going to be delays, what did you expect? 300,000 units to land on the doorstep of shops ready to go? Comparing it to other technology is completely irrelevant.
If you want to go and pick up on Oculus Rift, you can buy a used on one eBay. Right now - just like a used car. Or, you can order (and wait for) your new one to be built. No different.
And marketing disaster? The price is double what they claimed, and they've already pre-sold 3 months worth of manufacturing.
It's a cutting edge product people have been waiting 2 years for, the first 'decent' VR device released to the public. Of course there are going to be delays, what did you expect? 300,000 units to land on the doorstep of shops ready to go? Comparing it to other technology is completely irrelevant.
Durzel said:
A lot of the grief I think is from people who thought (why, I don't know) that this - or any first generation bespoke new tech - would be priced for the masses to consume.
To be fair it is called the CV (Customer Version 1). Maybe they should have called it the EAV1 (Early Adopter Version 1).My hope is that Sony can pull it off at a lower, more affordable price level.
The PS4 may not be nearly as capable as a new gaming PC but they do have full control over the entire hardware and software stack which should allow for a lot better optimisation than on the PC where the devs have to wrangle with the OS, with different GPUs, different drivers, et cetera.
VR seems to be one of the cases where one would gladly trade some visual fidelity for high framerates and low latency, if the PS4 hardware can pull this off at a resolution that doesn't give you the "screen door effect" then it could be a winner.
snuffy said:
SlipStream77 said:
snuffy said:
99% of people's PCs won't run it.
My PC is over a year old and I just need a £2 USB expansion hub for it to run fine.http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?...
/edit, actually looking at that 970 + is 5% of the users and what.... add about 1.5% for the AMD guys.
Edited by GrumpyTwig on Thursday 7th January 19:46
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