Battlefield 4 (PS4)
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My favourite maps on both BF3 and PS3 BF4 are the tight infantry maps simply because you can have battles with 20 plus people involved that last for 10 minutes or more, rather than a random stream of 1 on 1s that last just a few seconds at a time.
The longer battles give you more scope for thinking tactically, rather than just picking the best run and gun kit (plus C4 for vehicle maps).
Hopefully 64 player BF4 will lead to more tactical play with epic firefights like when two sides are dug in on Metro on BF3.
The longer battles give you more scope for thinking tactically, rather than just picking the best run and gun kit (plus C4 for vehicle maps).
Hopefully 64 player BF4 will lead to more tactical play with epic firefights like when two sides are dug in on Metro on BF3.
Matt London said:
So who is in on day one? It's sounding like we will be a bit thin on the ground.
My PSN ID is matt-don. Hopefully the queuing system will be up and running soon so that it will be easier to join friends.
I have a PS4 pre-order on its way to me and will use the code to transfer BF4 across onto the new console, but it may well not be until a week after release now as I've managed to book a holiday over the release day (and it's raining here!). My PSN ID is matt-don. Hopefully the queuing system will be up and running soon so that it will be easier to join friends.
Looking forward to seeing it on next gen though, as although it does have its issues (mainly in changes to the game - removal of spawn immunity, less accurate/deadly weapons, etc) rather than bugs (in my experience), it also has moments with great promise.
Even for those of us with 100s (1,000s?
) of hours on BF3 - there is still a big learning curve to playing BF4 and I suspect this is responsible for at least 50% of the complaints - I know I whined like a biatch for about a week when I first started playing it!Guvernator said:
For those who haven't been practising on the PS3 I suspect it will be a bit daunting and frustrating, I certainly didn't enjoy my first few sessions with it due to getting lost or killed constantly by people who seemed to have been playing it for a week already (and I picked it up on release day!) but stick with it and after a day or two it gets MUCH better. I am hoping the PS4 version will be a slightly more finished product too.
Definitely agree with that - a lot of the beginning kit is different to BF3, the vehicle controls are different and the it's a lot harder to hit moving/distant targets on BF4. There's also no more spawn immunity, so prepared to get insta-killed a lot as you spawn into a stream of bullets!Took me a good 10 hours (of almost constant swearing!) to get into it and I still can't fly the choppers properly as I keep returning to BF3 controls when things get hairy!
It also won't help noobs now that a lot of people have dozens of hours on the maps and have worked out their favourite kits/weapons/set ups - I can see some very frustrated players ahead!
The PS4 version does need to be a lot smoother than the PS3 though - it certainly feels that the game is pushing the PS3 up to and often beyond its limits.
thetapeworm said:
youngsyr said:
The PS4 version does need to be a lot smoother than the PS3 though - it certainly feels that the game is pushing the PS3 up to and often beyond its limits.
2 more complete PS3 lock-ups today suggest you are right, the poor old girl just can't cope 
Ironically it usually happens when there is a small map and not much happening rather than when it's having to worry about rendering huge waves and working out what's going to happen to everything.
Part of the acclimatisation to the game is learning to allow for all of the above, but I sincerely hope that it's fixed on the PS4, because if it's not then a lot of the angry fans are correct and DICE have released a half-baked game.
Hmmm, have only had about 6 games on the PS4 so far and like others have said, when it's good, it's very good, but...
I've been kicked out of 2 games by a glitch (was prompted to send error report) and one game was unplayable due to lag/stutter.
And what is almost unforgivable is that they've moved the buttons around yet again!!!
I'd just about got used to the PS3 BF4 set up and now they've swapped the trigger/zoom from the top bumpers to the bottom ones. Sure, I can see why they've done it, but at least do it once and keep it consistent on the PS3 & PS4, or give us the option to have the same button set up on both.
Oh, and the final kick in the balls - my Sony PS3 wireless headset does not work on the PS4, despite rumours that the PS4 would support earlier version's hardware.
I've been kicked out of 2 games by a glitch (was prompted to send error report) and one game was unplayable due to lag/stutter.
And what is almost unforgivable is that they've moved the buttons around yet again!!!
I'd just about got used to the PS3 BF4 set up and now they've swapped the trigger/zoom from the top bumpers to the bottom ones. Sure, I can see why they've done it, but at least do it once and keep it consistent on the PS3 & PS4, or give us the option to have the same button set up on both.
Oh, and the final kick in the balls - my Sony PS3 wireless headset does not work on the PS4, despite rumours that the PS4 would support earlier version's hardware.
Had a few games last night, but I crashed out of literally half of them.
Seems like the other PHers I was playing with did too (Snafu, Dobbin)?
I need to start using the mic that came with the console, apparently the official PS3 7.1 headset won't work until a patch is released in January.
Teamwork is definitely key with the additional players, and not just between two or three or you like on BF3. I think realistically you're going to need a full squad of 5 players working together (possibly in 2 or 3 vehicles) to dominate even part of the map.
Seems like the other PHers I was playing with did too (Snafu, Dobbin)?
I need to start using the mic that came with the console, apparently the official PS3 7.1 headset won't work until a patch is released in January.
Teamwork is definitely key with the additional players, and not just between two or three or you like on BF3. I think realistically you're going to need a full squad of 5 players working together (possibly in 2 or 3 vehicles) to dominate even part of the map.
Guvernator said:
The larger player count and bigger maps mean it's harder for a small group to make a big impact. It's the reason why I still prefer playing Rush if I'm lone wolfing it. The fact that you have two objectives at a time to attack or defend means the play is more focused. Off course this does mean that on the smaller maps like Operation Locker it can all get a bit...err manic 
From my limited experience of the game so far, it seems that lone wolfing it just isn't an option any more - you keep running into 3, 4 or 5 people at a time so you're lucky if you even get one of them before going down in a hail of bullets. 99% of my time on BF3 was as a lone wolf, so I'm having to try to relearn how to play the game - trying to work as a team with strangers and no communication is tricky!
Played a bit of Rush last night and it does seem to play very differently to BF3 - seems you can make it to the first set of MCOMs before the defenders in some cases if you use a vehicle?
On the map with the rolling waves and destroyed aircraft carrier as an attacker you can absolutely dominate using the attack boat with the larger cannon shells, keeping a bit of distance and using zoom - defenders on the carrier have very little cover, few are engineers and you're constantly moving due to the waves. You can just rip them to pieces from range. Great when you're the one doing the owning, not so great if you're trying to defend.
There seem to be a lot of snipers etc staying way back from the action when either attacking or defending and just trying to maintain a decent KDR though - not sure why when it's 3,000 XP pts for a Rush win which is the equivalent of 30 kills worth of XP?
For future reference, do XP boost perks work during double XP events - i.e. will I get 200% boost if I use a 100% boost during double XP?
On the map with the rolling waves and destroyed aircraft carrier as an attacker you can absolutely dominate using the attack boat with the larger cannon shells, keeping a bit of distance and using zoom - defenders on the carrier have very little cover, few are engineers and you're constantly moving due to the waves. You can just rip them to pieces from range. Great when you're the one doing the owning, not so great if you're trying to defend.
There seem to be a lot of snipers etc staying way back from the action when either attacking or defending and just trying to maintain a decent KDR though - not sure why when it's 3,000 XP pts for a Rush win which is the equivalent of 30 kills worth of XP?
For future reference, do XP boost perks work during double XP events - i.e. will I get 200% boost if I use a 100% boost during double XP?
Jasandjules said:
youngsyr said:
Great when you're the one doing the owning, not so great if you're trying to defend.
Let you into a little secret - there is an RHIB the defenders can use. Take it, and use the minigun on the front........... The big boat seems to disintegrate relatively well.....Just thought I'd point out to anyone that didn't realise, you can repair the boat whilst you're inside it if you use the spare (non-gunner) seat and point your repair torch at either the railing of the motor housing. You get points for repairing even if you're the only person in the boat!
KarlMac said:
youngsyr said:
For future reference, do XP boost perks work during double XP events - i.e. will I get 200% boost if I use a 100% boost during double XP?
Thats exactly how it works. For maximum benefit get yourself near a service star on a few classes/guns, activate the boost then go into a Obliteration game. These tend to go on for a while meaning you can rack up most of your service stars, getting a 200% boost on each. Thinking about it, I suspect the XP is not all that important in BF4 - I'm at Level 44 in about 40 hours of play time and there are only 100 levels in total, so I suspect Level 100 will roll around much quicker than it did in BF3. There seem to already be plenty of people in the high 50s/low 60s.
HedgehogFromHell said:
Anyone know of any retailers who have a PS4 in stock? Trying to source one for a mate, the site i am getting mine from just went out of stock so that didn't help!
Seems it's likely to change minute to minute, as someone on the PS4 thread posted - best just keeping an eye on Hotukdeals.com, that way you can see whether it's a good deal plus get feedback on the retailer from people who have bought from them before (via their comments against the deal).What's the best way to join a group of friends on multiplayer at the moment, every way I try seems like a right old faff?
Re the "mid-table mediocrity" and scoring I tend to focus on SPM above all else when I play and find that on Conquest it pays to watch the flags like a hawk and basically spend the entire game inside the boundary of one or other. This means every kill you get earns a flag defender/attacker multiplier and you're constantly getting the flag capping bonus too.
Every time I die I check the map for the most active flag and spawn in on a squad mate near an enemy flag or on the flag itself if we own it and it's being attacked.
Constantly being in active flags also means squad mates tend to spawn on you a lot, another easy few points.
Being in a vehicle helps you keep moving between the active flags, especially if you're an engineer and you can get a squad mate to be a gunner for you, you can then pick up vehicle assists and repairs points plus a squad bonus on everything you do to or in the vehicle.
It goes without saying that if you're a squad leader, you need to constantly designate flags to attack/defend. Keeping an eye on your squad mates, even if they're at a different flag, can help you get "free points" too. It's amazing how many people don't bother designating when squad leaders - it's the easiest points you can earn, plus it helps out everyone on your squad.
Re the "mid-table mediocrity" and scoring I tend to focus on SPM above all else when I play and find that on Conquest it pays to watch the flags like a hawk and basically spend the entire game inside the boundary of one or other. This means every kill you get earns a flag defender/attacker multiplier and you're constantly getting the flag capping bonus too.
Every time I die I check the map for the most active flag and spawn in on a squad mate near an enemy flag or on the flag itself if we own it and it's being attacked.
Constantly being in active flags also means squad mates tend to spawn on you a lot, another easy few points.
Being in a vehicle helps you keep moving between the active flags, especially if you're an engineer and you can get a squad mate to be a gunner for you, you can then pick up vehicle assists and repairs points plus a squad bonus on everything you do to or in the vehicle.
It goes without saying that if you're a squad leader, you need to constantly designate flags to attack/defend. Keeping an eye on your squad mates, even if they're at a different flag, can help you get "free points" too. It's amazing how many people don't bother designating when squad leaders - it's the easiest points you can earn, plus it helps out everyone on your squad.
KarlMac said:
You should be able to go to 'redeem codes' in the sidebar in the psn store, that should take you straight there. You'll need PSN+ too.
Mine didn't work, so I got a copy of PS4bf4 and ebayed my ps3 copy. Got £30 for it.
That's the best way to do it anyway - if you use the code you have to download 36GB of the PS4 game onto your hard drive. If you have the PS4 disc, that's 36GB of space saved.Mine didn't work, so I got a copy of PS4bf4 and ebayed my ps3 copy. Got £30 for it.
What is it with LMGs on BF4 too - I haven't yet found out how to use them effectively and they were some of my favourite weapons in BF3.
I thought they'd be perfect for "crowd control" when set up on a bipod with 32 players to aim at - but even on a bipod (on the few times it deploys properly!) and suppressed, the gun jumps around a lot.
Off a bipod with a grip you might as well forget it - I emptied a 45 round magazine with my reticle pointing at a guys chest around 15m away yesterday and didn't get a single hit marker!
Thankfully I've now got my 200 kills with them to unlock the assignment/weapon, so shouldn't need to use them again.
I thought they'd be perfect for "crowd control" when set up on a bipod with 32 players to aim at - but even on a bipod (on the few times it deploys properly!) and suppressed, the gun jumps around a lot.
Off a bipod with a grip you might as well forget it - I emptied a 45 round magazine with my reticle pointing at a guys chest around 15m away yesterday and didn't get a single hit marker!
Thankfully I've now got my 200 kills with them to unlock the assignment/weapon, so shouldn't need to use them again.
Jasandjules said:
Right, just 30 hours after starting to download I have BF4 on the PS4 this morning.
WHY THE FECK are the controls different to BF3 on the PS3?!!?!?!? I just got used to them with the spotting etc... Why can't I use L1 to aim and R1 to shoot!?!? Heeeeeelp
I feel your frustration, I nearly launched the controller out of the window when I started playing it on the PS4! WHY THE FECK are the controls different to BF3 on the PS3?!!?!?!? I just got used to them with the spotting etc... Why can't I use L1 to aim and R1 to shoot!?!? Heeeeeelp
A couple of weeks in though and I'd say just persevere with it. The controls are actually quite well laid out on the PS4 version, they're just different to the PS3 layout, which in turn is different to the BF3 layout.
Still haven't worked out what the big square "pad" in the middle of the controller is for - it looks like it should work like a mouse pad, but on BF4 it's only used as a massive push button?
Oh and WTF is the point of having a choice of 10 different instructions/requests that you can shout at teammates on "rose" when if you're on the Chinese side (50% of the time) the commands are all shouted at them in Chinese?!!!
You select "ammo" and the person hears: "Min da bindoo waa!"
You select "need a ride" and the person hears: "Shamilee Tak Tak".
You select "ammo" and the person hears: "Min da bindoo waa!"
You select "need a ride" and the person hears: "Shamilee Tak Tak".
thetapeworm said:
I wondered about that myself, I'm sure previous releases let you select English to replace the "local" language.Gassing Station | Video Games | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff