New PC racing sim - Assetto Corsa

[BrownBottle]

Had a go on the Ring tonight.

KTM was fun, I don't think I've ever had a car communicate to me so clearly in a game, it really is quite something although I admit I haven't tried every car.

Corvette was good as well, one of those cars you just get into a groove with and run lap after lap. Not stressful at all, planted and predictable.

RSR wouldn't work it just said 'please update app' all the time but I couldn't figure out how to do it, anyone know?

[SlipStream77]

BrownBottle said:

RSR wouldn't work it just said 'please update app' all the time but I couldn't figure out how to do it, anyone know?

You just need to reinstall it as they've released a new version.

Just follow the instructions here...

http://nkpro.radiators-champ.com/index.php?option=...

[BrownBottle]

SlipStream77 said:

BrownBottle said:

RSR wouldn't work it just said 'please update app' all the time but I couldn't figure out how to do it, anyone know?

You just need to reinstall it as they've released a new version.

Just follow the instructions here...

http://nkpro.radiators-champ.com/index.php?option=...

Thanks, do I need to delete the old app or will it just overwrite it?

[SlipStream77]

BrownBottle said:

SlipStream77 said:

BrownBottle said:

RSR wouldn't work it just said 'please update app' all the time but I couldn't figure out how to do it, anyone know?

You just need to reinstall it as they've released a new version.

Just follow the instructions here...

http://nkpro.radiators-champ.com/index.php?option=...

Thanks, do I need to delete the old app or will it just overwrite it?

No problem. When you unpack the latest version, just allow it to overwrite when you're prompted.

[MyVTECGoesBwaaah]

BrownBottle said:

Corvette was good as well, one of those cars you just get into a groove with and run lap after lap. Not stressful at all, planted and predictable.

I agree, was in a GT lobby at Spa tonight and used it for the first time - Very planted and felt quick to drive.

[Mr Whippy]

555 Paul said:

Disappointed early users still have to pay for the DLC to be honest, I bought the game Christmas 2013 and to be honest there hasn't been much to play with yet so I am very disappointed that I now have to pay for DLC and I doubt that I'll bother given that the game still isn't fully developed.

I thought early adopters were meant to get the first DLC free as a gift for the delays in getting to V1 or something...

It's a shame if that isn't the case and you have to pay more money to get the kinda stuff you'd expect in V1 to begin with.


I think I'd happily pay for the DLC, but given V1 still isn't the kinda game you expected when pre-ordering, it seems like throwing more money at a project that is still unfinished to me... with the 'promise' of more... but with the clear message that promises are happily broken later

Pants

Dave

[trashbat]

You're still moaning! How much time & effort have you spent on that in comparison?

[Mr Whippy]

trashbat said:

You're still moaning! How much time & effort have you spent on that in comparison?

You're still moaning at me moaning.

If you like AC great, but I'm talking to another annoyed early supporter who feels like they've been shafted by KS... Charging for DLC before all the bugs are gone and expected final features in.

I'd argue it's fairly reasonable to moan about that, and if you don't your just fanning the flames of the fire that is crapper and crapper ethic from game developers treating customers like idiots.

[Mr Whippy]

trashbat said:

You're still moaning! How much time & effort have you spent on that in comparison?

You're still moaning at me moaning.

If you like AC great, but I'm talking to another annoyed early supporter who feels like they've been shafted by KS... Charging for DLC before all the bugs are gone and expected final features in.

I'd argue it's fairly reasonable to moan about that, and if you don't your just fanning the flames of the fire that is crapper and crapper ethic from game developers treating customers like idiots.

[trashbat]

I bought it early access. I think I've probably spent £40 tops, and got dozens of hours out of it. I'm properly minutes-slow crap at it, and I find the whole G27-at-a-desk setup I have physically painful, but as games go I think it's up there with the best I've ever encountered. In fact along with a few other PC titles (e.g. Cities Skyline) I think we're experiencing something of a renaissance for PC gaming. Each to their own and no real wish to actually stop you criticising anything, but seriously, it must outweigh your outlay by such a massive margin, I can't understand it.

[GrumpyTwig]

I think technically they classed some of the earlier content as the 'DLC' that was mentioned as being free and tbh I was and am still a bit annoyed at some of the 'work' that's gone into what still doesn't feel like a polished product. There are also other issues inherent with a small team being behind it like no real support for issues mostly relying on community driver support and a complete st storm of a bug submission platform aka a forum...

However..... very however, having driven the new track and some of the new cars it's very much worth it. The ring itself is fabulous and some of the new cars are just brilliant, challenging but also fun. Though why they bothered with the 4C is beyond me.

All in all it's a very strong basis for a good game once all the rough edges get smoothed, the only thing they can't fix is no weather and no night races

[trashbat]

I know it's not either/or, but the commonplace alternative to 'small team, unpolished' is EA (or to a slightly lesser extent Ubisoft), and I don't think you'd much like that either.

AC isn't perfect but it's a lot closer to the pattern of what makes an excellent game/sim/community/long term product than most other stuff out there. That we're getting major changes post-1.0 should be an indication of that. I guess I just feel a bit glum that a lot of the commentary on here, FB, forums etc is overlooking what's been achieved and complaining about either value for money (really!) or overcooking some niche feature (like my broken motion blur) into a 'ahhh disaster' affair.

[555 Paul]

Mr Whippy said:

I thought early adopters were meant to get the first DLC free as a gift for the delays in getting to V1 or something...

It's a shame if that isn't the case and you have to pay more money to get the kinda stuff you'd expect in V1 to begin with.


I think I'd happily pay for the DLC, but given V1 still isn't the kinda game you expected when pre-ordering, it seems like throwing more money at a project that is still unfinished to me... with the 'promise' of more... but with the clear message that promises are happily broken later

Pants

Dave

To be honest although the physics feel good it's still not a game yet it's a track day simulator so I am not happy to pay for the DLC, this is a huge disappointment as far as I am concerned and I'll probably look elsewhere for my PC gaming experience, Grand Prix legends is still leagues ahead so I might go back to that.

[Mattygooner]

I can't see how GPL is leagues ahead of any of the current racing sims. Why is GPl held in such regard?

[SlipStream77]

Mattygooner said:

I can't see how GPL is leagues ahead of any of the current racing sims. Why is GPl held in such regard?

It gained a cult following because the cars felt so good to drive, sounds were great too, and it was the first sim to feature the full nordschleife.
An online community formed around multplayer gaming and modding and some still play it.

GPL was great in 1996 but we've come a long long way since then. Methods of tyre modelling are far more complex and realistic now and obviously in graphics are way ahead.

I really don't understand the criticism levelled at AC though. As I understand it, the SLS and Spa were originally going to be DLC but free to those who pre-ordered?

The latest DLC, on offer from Steam was just £7.33 - for 10 cars (chosen by the community) and the first commercially available laser scanned version of the 'Ring. Compare that to iRacing or RRE prices. Imagine the work involved in creating that track too, it's immense.

Kunos is a small company but despite that they're producing an amazing product. I've been sim racing for over 25 years and I've tried all of the current selection with the exception of PCars (It's been pre-ordered), AC is the only sim I use now.

[Mattygooner]

Oh I played GPL a lot, but I don't see why it is still held in such high regard, the handling wasn't great, it was good then, but incredibly far off now, especially as we had no idea how F1 cars of that era drove and just thought it was realistic because it was bloody hard. Driving the Lotus 49 in both AC and pCars highlights how far physics and tyre simulation has come along let alone the tracks scanned to the level they are now.

GPL had its day, but it is long gone, Rfactor and GTR and GTL put paid to that and the current crop is another big step forward.

AC is turning out very nicely I think, for the money paid, including the DLC I think it is fantastic value when you consider PS4games are in the region of 50 quid and they have given us a nice selection of cars making their debut in sim racing in terms of being accurately portrayed and given the number free mods in the pipeline. Laser scanned Nords is great, reminds me just how good it is to drive and how satisfying to get a good lap in.

This is a golden age with so many good sims on the horizon and the peripherals also taking a step forward with fanatec and thrustmaster and the VR headsets. But we complain that AC is not finished enough and pCars delay their release until they are happy it is finished....

[MyVTECGoesBwaaah]

555 Paul said:

To be honest although the physics feel good it's still not a game yet it's a track day simulator

I think that sums it up for me as well, a track day simulator. I prefer offline AI racing and they just aren't there yet. I do enjoy lapping online though and happily paid the £8 for the DLC.

For my offline racing I prefer Stock Car: Extreme

[BrownBottle]

With 10 new cars and a laser scanned ring for less than 8 quid I'm not really feeling that ripped off with this particular DLC.

I'm no expert but I feel there is a humongous effort put into games these days ie. Tyre models etc. Compared to the past so DLC is inevitable.

[RobM77]

BrownBottle said:

With 10 new cars and a laser scanned ring for less than 8 quid I'm not really feeling that ripped off with this particular DLC.

I'm no expert but I feel there is a humongous effort put into games these days ie. Tyre models etc. Compared to the past so DLC is inevitable.

It's an absolute bargain to be honest; still cheaper than many console games.

In response to Mr Whippy's cmment, I'd recall an analogy I used on another thread: Bohemia Interactive's 'Arma' series is a hugely popular multi-player battlefield sim also available for a similar outlay as Assetto Corsa. If you want a full on highly accurate professional level simulation in the manner that Mr Whippy seems to be (quite validly) inferring he'd like for Assetto Corsa, that's a fair statement, but the analogy would be BI's pro version of Arma, as used by many armies around the world, and costing 20 times as much. Perhaps if AC is successful enough then they too could make a pro version of AC with a fully detailed car editor so race teams can input their exact car and then test out damper rates, gearbox/throttle interactions, aero tweaks etc. I'd buy such a sim for the cost of one open pit semi-exclusive test day at Silverstone... (~£500-600 IIRC). As for what we've got at the moment for £45 or whatever the core came plus DLC comes to? Bargain!!

[Mr Whippy]

I think in this case I'm happy for AC to be less than perfect in every way. I'd just wish that they'd make a finished fairly polished game of AC for the money I'd already paid over a year ago, before they started working on more cars and DLC to make more money.

Now they're making money from DLC (arguably loads more profitable than the original games content AND game engine), then alongside the evidence of slow progress and missing features in the base game engine, how long are we now expected to wait for the core game to get finished?

I ultimately paid in good faith to support a small car sim developer but I honestly do feel like they've left me without what was promised, and are now moving off doing something different for their income/living before finishing the first thing they promised

Dave