Assetto Corsa - Time Trial

[RobM77]

Asterix said:

I think there's a fair amount of subtlety but it's very close on the limit.

I'm working hard with the wheel - it certainly isn't 'point & shoot'.

Anyway - next week the winner can chosse something different.

Altrezia needs to be on RSR for the lap to be valid so we're all using the same parameters.

Oh yes, I agree entirely, I'm just not used to reacting to a car under me quite this much! Normally in real life that's a once a month patch of oil mid corner type affair, leaving 99.99% of corrections to be pre-emptive. It's been fascinating getting out of my comfort zone though. :-)

[Asterix]

RobM77 said:

Asterix said:

I think there's a fair amount of subtlety but it's very close on the limit.

I'm working hard with the wheel - it certainly isn't 'point & shoot'.

Anyway - next week the winner can chosse something different.

Altrezia needs to be on RSR for the lap to be valid so we're all using the same parameters.

Oh yes, I agree entirely, I'm just not used to reacting to a car under me quite this much! Normally in real life that's a once a month patch of oil mid corner type affair, leaving 99.99% of corrections to be pre-emptive. It's been fascinating getting out of my comfort zone though. :-)

I agree with what you mean about losing half a second from a minor mistake, the envelope on it is very, very small. I reckon I've got at least another second in me if I nailed the perfect lap - but that isn't ever going to happen because it's arguably impossible with this car at my skill level. I'm not good enough.

I find with the slower, softer cars, that envelope is larger and it's almost a great lap of averages - if that makes sense?

Anyway - I commited the Hotlap sins if sins earlier - I absolutely nailed the first three corners - haha - I'm always chasing the damn ghost car/splits.

[RobM77]

Asterix said:

RobM77 said:

Asterix said:

I think there's a fair amount of subtlety but it's very close on the limit.

I'm working hard with the wheel - it certainly isn't 'point & shoot'.

Anyway - next week the winner can chosse something different.

Altrezia needs to be on RSR for the lap to be valid so we're all using the same parameters.

Oh yes, I agree entirely, I'm just not used to reacting to a car under me quite this much! Normally in real life that's a once a month patch of oil mid corner type affair, leaving 99.99% of corrections to be pre-emptive. It's been fascinating getting out of my comfort zone though. :-)

I agree with what you mean about losing half a second from a minor mistake, the envelope on it is very, very small. I reckon I've got at least another second in me if I nailed the perfect lap - but that isn't ever going to happen because it's arguably impossible with this car at my skill level. I'm not good enough.

I find with the slower, softer cars, that envelope is larger and it's almost a great lap of averages - if that makes sense?

Anyway - I commited the Hotlap sins if sins earlier - I absolutely nailed the first three corners - haha - I'm always chasing the damn ghost car/splits.

My point is that I'm fine in real life in cars with tiny windows of optimal slip, but on a sim it's very different. because you can't feel the car under you. In the gentler cars on a sim there's a chance for visuals to tell you 80% of what you'd feel in the car. In the harsher faster cars like the FXX, there's almost none of that and it's largely down to gaming skills like reaction times. Obviously it helps to understand the right lines etc though!

[FourWheelDrift]

Asterix said:

Anyway - I commited the Hotlap sins if sins earlier - I absolutely nailed the first three corners - haha - I'm always chasing the damn ghost car/splits.

Ghost car is the first thing I turn off, but I am using the lap delta graph on this.

[andrewrob]

PH Name	RSR Name	Time
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.384
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880
Slipstream77	5lider	1:47.236
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

I'm assuming this one is Altrezias http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

[RobM77]

FourWheelDrift said:

Asterix said:

Anyway - I commited the Hotlap sins if sins earlier - I absolutely nailed the first three corners - haha - I'm always chasing the damn ghost car/splits.

Ghost car is the first thing I turn off, but I am using the lap delta graph on this.

Annoying isn't it? The delta app is genius though! The best way to learn how to go fast I've ever come across.

[Asterix]

What's already shaping up is that we, PHers, are going to have some awesome racing when it's properly launched.

Edited by Asterix on Tuesday 7th January 19:00

[SlipStream77]

PH Name	RSR Name	Time
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.384
Slipstream77	5lider	1:45.676
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748

The difficulty with consistency on sims is normal on cars with high levels of grip, just slightly missing a turn in point or getting a little too much oversteer on turn in can ruin a lap very easily.

It's a very fine balance between pushing too hard and being slightly too cautious. Makes for a good challenge, but I'm sure as Rob says, if you were in the car, you'd feel it about to let go and would adjust the controls before it got too out of shape. Sim drivers tend to have to practice a lot to be fast because they need to build up that 'database' of what the car does in every situation, what it likes and what it doesn't.

Edited to update my time.

Edited by SlipStream77 on Tuesday 7th January 19:58

Edited by SlipStream77 on Tuesday 7th January 20:00

[Asterix]

Slight improvment.

PH Name	RSR Name	Time
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.344
Slipstream77	5lider	1:45.676
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748

[RobM77]

SlipStream77 said:

=PH Name=||=RSR Name=||=Time=||

Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.384
Slipstream77	5lider	1:45.676
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748

The difficulty with consistency on sims is normal on cars with high levels of grip, just slightly missing a turn in point or getting a little too much oversteer on turn in can ruin a lap very easily.

It's a very fine balance between pushing too hard and being slightly too cautious. Makes for a good challenge, but I'm sure as Rob says, if you were in the car, you'd feel it about to let go and would adjust the controls before it got too out of shape. Sim drivers tend to have to practice a lot to be fast because they need to build up that 'database' of what the car does in every situation, what it likes and what it doesn't.

Edited to update my time.

Edited by SlipStream77 on Tuesday 7th January 19:58

Edited by SlipStream77 on Tuesday 7th January 20:00

Absolutely. If you watch any of my real life onboard footage on my You Tube channel (just search under my real name, as given above), you'll see several corrections per corner on the steering when I'm going fast, but oversteer or understeer are very rare. If you then watch a sim video you'll notice this isn't the case. This is the difference between predictory and reactionary driving. Also, I've spun and/or gone into the gravel in the FXX about ten times whilst hot lapping. If that happened after an hour in a real race car the team would show you the door! Obviously it doesn't happen, which perfectly illustrates our point further. This is why I prefer cars with bigger slip angles in sims. Lotus 49 next?

[FourWheelDrift]

PH Name	RSR Name	Time
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.344
Slipstream77	5lider	1:45.444
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:46.408
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748

Had another go just now - http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

Still changing my wheel settings, I always used a fast 270 degree rotation on rFactor, GPL/GTR/GTR2 etc, and changed the steering ratio of the car in the game but there's no setting for that so I'm trying 900 degrees and it's a bit alien to me at the moment and 270 in game doesn't work well with the 599xx.

From my splits against Altrezia's it's the last sector I'm not getting right, perhaps its the fast chicane that I'm not fast enough through but I feel like I'm steering the Titanic at the moment

[SlipStream77]

PH Name	RSR Name	Time	Sector 1	Sector 2	Sector 3
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972	25.724	32.316	46.932
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.344	25.760	32.004	47.580
Slipstream77	5lider	1:45.444	25.504	32.660	47.280
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880	25.828	32.769	47.488
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1.46.408	25.820	32.456	48.132
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276	26.604	33.316	48.356
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748	26.340	33.388	49.020

I was looking at the sector times, I'm getting something really wrong in S2! Good to know there's 6/10ths to find though.

Our combined best would currently by a 1.44.440 which would put us 43rd.

Some guys done a 1.41.548 today, no idea how. Sector times were 25.156, 30.352, 45.860, what is he doing in S2?!!

[FourWheelDrift]

The quickest times on RSR have fuel off and tyre wear off, so low fuel laps, lap after lap.

[RobM77]

All my 45s were done with under 4 litres in the tank, but obviously they get more practise like that as they do it lap after lap. Having said that, for all the other circuits I've competed on with RSR, the top times are with fuel use and tyre wear ON, so I doubt that's wholly responsible. What I sometimes do is put just enough fuel in for the lap, then restart the hot lapping session after each lap - it gives you enough space to get up to racing speed before the start line, although you'll be with coldish tyres..

It's quite possible they're cheating - there's an ASCII INI file for AC containing the mu values for the track, grass and kerbs and anyone can change them. As part of a thread I started on ruling out cheating I tried this and loaded RSR to see if it would detect my tampering (as has been rumoured) but it didn't. I didn't actually record a lap like that, so it's possible RSR only checks when you record laps, but it certainly didn't check my INI file when it opened. If they are cheating in this manner, maybe sector 2 has a big slippery curb somewhere that we're avoiding, but they're using like it's tarmac? IIRC (I can't check cause I'm at work), then you can also change the 'off track' parameters, thus getting a lap through RSR that involves skipping a part of the track... My thread was asking Kunos to encrypt this INI file, but they never responded, which is unusual as they read most of the threads on the AC forum.

I can't make any accusations really as I don't have enough data, but I find it highly unlikely that if we're converging down onto a low to mid 44, that a 42 or 41 is even possible, especially considering that some of us doing 45s on this track and car combo are in the top ten for plenty of other track and car combinations and have been on sims in the past (I know Slipstream77 and I are on AC and have been on GPL and other sims, and I expect the same's true of the rest of us?).

[FourWheelDrift]

RobM77 said:

(I know Slipstream77 and I are on AC and have been on GPL and other sims, and I expect the same's true of the rest of us?).

I just re-found my GPLRank details after a long long time away - http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/php-pub/user.php?show...

And I still hold 2 world records in the 1965 class I set at Lydden Hill

[FourWheelDrift]

PH Name	RSR Name	Time	Sector 1	Sector 2	Sector 3
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972	25.724	32.316	46.932
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.344	25.760	32.004	47.580
Slipstream77	5lider	1:45.444	25.504	32.660	47.280
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:45.772	25.964	32.196	47.612
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880	25.828	32.769	47.488
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276	26.604	33.316	48.356
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748	26.340	33.388	49.020

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

Updated time and sectors. S3

[Rob P]

I'm not posting until I'm in the 1.40's!

Just can't string a complete lap together, so fustrating. Love the track tho, used to like it in Forza too.

[Asterix]

Ha! If you find this edgy, do not use the Formula Abarth. - fking mental around Mugello! Even though it's slower.

[SlipStream77]

PH Name	RSR Name	Time	Sector 1	Sector 2	Sector 3
Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:44.972	25.724	32.316	46.932
Slipstream77	5lider	1:44.984	25.648	32.016	47.320
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:45.344	25.760	32.004	47.580
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:45.772	25.964	32.196	47.612
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:45.880	25.828	32.769	47.488
JulianCRX	Skeksis	1:48.276	26.604	33.316	48.356
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:48.748	26.340	33.388	49.020

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

Getting there now, sorted out S3, car feels more on a knife edge quite a lot.

I made some mistakes in the final sector and I can still improve some lines, there must be several tenths left I reckon.

I'm happy to share my setup if anyone wants it.

[Aphex]

Had a quick few laps this morning, got a 1.49.380 but I've not actually driven this track before so hopefully should be able to bring that down.

Are you all using wheels? I'm but a lowly pauper with a 360 controller

Well, i have a fair way to go to keep up with this guy on his keyboard!

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

Edited by Aphex on Wednesday 8th January 10:51