World of Tanks (Vol 2)

[Z06George]

I can't wait to get my T28, whilst I love my T25AT I keep getting chucked into games with plenty of T9 tanks which isn't great. As already mentioned they seem to be played very well the few times I see them kicking about.

Mastodon, I should be on a bit more next week as I'm off nights (ish) so hopefully get some time to platoon up and cause some havoc!

[Beati Dogu]

My worst tank in terms of win rate is the tier 1 Japanese tank: 8 games - 8 losses. Sold it and carried on.

I've played it on the US server since and it's actually not that bad. It has the best armour of tier 1 and a decent gun, but after 16 tier 2 games in a row, I sold it there as well.


Next tank is the tier nine T30: 28 games - 21 losses. It just won't let me win.

Now it is a stock tank and you always get trolled in high tier stock tanks to make you spend real money on upgrading them. I notice none of the Twitch WoT streamers play stock tanks. They use free-XP from all the gold they're given to buy their way to a elited tank.

Edited by Beati Dogu on Sunday 24th August 02:31

[Siko]

Z06George said:

I can't wait to get my T28, whilst I love my T25AT I keep getting chucked into games with plenty of T9 tanks which isn't great. As already mentioned they seem to be played very well the few times I see them kicking about.

Mastodon, I should be on a bit more next week as I'm off nights (ish) so hopefully get some time to platoon up and cause some havoc!

I much preferred my T25, the T28 is utterly and painfully slow. It's relatively easy to kill if a tank gets within close range as it will just sit alongside you and easily match your futile attempts to turn/speed up. Prob a good tank to platoon with some coverage and the frontal armour is very thick, but it is just way too slow for my liking and definitely not one to play solo.

[jimmyjimjim]

Siko said:

I much preferred my T25, the T28 is utterly and painfully slow. It's relatively easy to kill if a tank gets within close range as it will just sit alongside you and easily match your futile attempts to turn/speed up. Prob a good tank to platoon with some coverage and the frontal armour is very thick, but it is just way too slow for my liking and definitely not one to play solo.

Yup. Needs cover, and doesn't get it very often. I elited mine (after getting the gun and other bits via the Proto and free xp to minimise the pain), but couldn't bear the thought of the T95 being more of the same.

Excellent on a couple of maps but like everything else with heavy armour in the game, it's ruined by WoT's cretinous gold ammo; one bounces, the enemy switches to gold and keeps firing to kill you from the front.

Occasionally you roll high enough to beat the gold, but both the T28 and T28 Proto have my lowest T8 win rates.

[Mastodon2]

Z06George said:

I can't wait to get my T28, whilst I love my T25AT I keep getting chucked into games with plenty of T9 tanks which isn't great. As already mentioned they seem to be played very well the few times I see them kicking about.

Mastodon, I should be on a bit more next week as I'm off nights (ish) so hopefully get some time to platoon up and cause some havoc!

Sounds good, I'll be in my IS, which is a tier 7 heavy, but it's a short range brawler - at least it will be once I've unlocked some packages for it. It's probably not the most complimentary tank for your T25-AT, but at least the matchmaking will be appropriate. I find these Russian brawlers very RNG dependant, in a fast paced match it's not unusual to get only get a few shots in at the enemy, and with terrible accuracy and a the RNG-inflicted troll bounces they can be very frustrating to play, particularly if forced to engage multiple targets, which is painful as the reload on the good guns never goes below about 11 seconds, even with a rammer, 100% crew and vents. So prepare to hear me laughing like a lunatic, or swearing like a sailor.

Speaking of which, after grinding nearly 25,000xp in my KV-1S and earning something like 1.3 million in credits across my KV-1S and TOGII, I expect to have the IS unlocked around lunch time today. The Russian march continues.

[Martin_Hx]

I loved my t25at! T28 was ok, now a fully upgraded T95 is good fun yeah its slow and with a bad team is terrible but those moments it shines it's brilliant! Just press forward and be the slowest scout in the game!

[bstb3]

Having talked about the T26E4 Super Pershing in clan chat last night, I decided to take it out for a run today. It really isn't half bad. Somewhere between a heavy and medium really, it's frontal armour is really impressive. Far more so than many equivalent heavies of it's tier - I bounced 2 BL-10's with it in one game earlier. True the 170mm penetration of its 90mm gun isn't fantastic, but its mostly enough and APCR rounds with 258 pen (or something) as a backup load quickly enough . You also get preferential matchmaking, so no pesky tier 10's to ruin your day.

Anyway, heres a screenshot for purely gratuitous reasons. American tonks doing what American tonks do best, hull down waiting for someone to come at them.

[Beati Dogu]

^ Nothing is getting past that array.


I managed to complete that Veni, Vidi, Vici mission yesterday, eventually.

You have to do it in order: heavy tanks, medium tanks, tank destroyers - or they just don't count.

I spammed the T49 a few times to get the TD part of it done. That thing is a right little murdering sod, despite having no armour. I looked at the "damage blocked by armour" stats on it and it's actually zero.

On the other end of the scale, my KV-4 now has the top engine to elite it, so hopefully it'll move a little quicker than before. An AMX 50 100 tried to clip me, but just ended up giving me a Steel Wall and retreating with most of his health missing.

[Mastodon2]

Ok, the stock IS is dreadful. It's utterly, shockingly dreadful. The piss weak 85mm gun has no place on this tank, it's poor accuracy, poor aim time and low alpha mean it can't snipe with a German, and it's low penetration means it struggles to even go through the armour when it does hit. I've only got 4000 free xp, so that 16,000 left to go to the 122mm package is going to be a slow and painful grind. Back to being a spectator.

[bstb3]

Mastodon2 said:

Ok, the stock IS is dreadful. It's utterly, shockingly dreadful. The piss weak 85mm gun has no place on this tank, it's poor accuracy, poor aim time and low alpha mean it can't snipe with a German, and it's low penetration means it struggles to even go through the armour when it does hit. I've only got 4000 free xp, so that 16,000 left to go to the 122mm package is going to be a slow and painful grind. Back to being a spectator.

Yeah I always thought it was a bit mean not allowing the 122mm on that with the stock turret. Cwazy Wussians.


edit: what the hell happened? Had a really good time playing this afternoon, many good quality games, then this evening the server is completely overrun by total muppets...Quality of games completely down the pan. Do the special ones come out on Sunday nights?

Edited by bstb3 on Sunday 24th August 20:46

Edited by bstb3 on Sunday 24th August 20:58

[Mastodon2]

bstb3 said:

Yeah I always thought it was a bit mean not allowing the 122mm on that with the stock turret. Cwazy Wussians.


edit: what the hell happened? Had a really good time playing this afternoon, many good quality games, then this evening the server is completely overrun by total muppets...Quality of games completely down the pan. Do the special ones come out on Sunday nights?

Edited by bstb3 on Sunday 24th August 20:46

Edited by bstb3 on Sunday 24th August 20:58

I tend not to buy into the "play for stats" thing, and generally I don't find 5x weekends too bad, but the Xbox has had "Arty Party" weekend, basically extra money and xp for playing SPGs, this wouldn't be too bad, but the MM has screwed me a few times now, to the point of rage. SPGs can tear an enemy team to shreds if well played, but in tier 8 and 9 matches, if one team gets 4 tier 9 SPGs, and the other team gets 2 tier 7s, and their 4 tier 9 slots go to heavies and TDs, I wouldn't want to be on the team with the high tier SPGs. Every time my team has been loaded out with loads of SPGs, we've been crushed by a much stronger, faster enemy team. I wouldn't complain if every now and then, it was my team that wasn't lumbered with so many high tier SPGs.

Late night update:

Ok, so I'm now at a crossroad. I don't think the IS line is for me. I've very much enjoyed the Germans, and as I've said before, I play what interests me, not what is necessarily strongest. The German sniper style, playing 2 squares back from the frontline, nailing weakspots at high distances, sidescraping and locking down streets in urban areas, it's totally my style. The IS philosophy, of brawling, peekaboom with low ROF and big alpha, is fun when it's working, even if admittedly it's not something I'm the most comfortable with. But now, jumping into the IS, I'm a total spectator - I just posted a 125xp game, which I think is a new record low, and that was top tier, but my tier 6 gun isn't even a good gun when it's on a tier 6 tank, let alone the IS, which meets tier 9s in battle regularly. So now I've got another 16,000xp to grind to get the 122mm gun from the KV-1S, which sounds good, but it's a tier 7 gun and I think will struggle against tier 9s. It doesn't help that the IS seems pretty flimsy in the armour department - even in the notoriously thing and boxy Tiger, I crushed M6s with impunity, now it feels like I should be hiding from them.

So, from now on I'll be doing the daily double with the IS to get the 122mm, and then reassessing whether or not to push harder. I do want that IS-3, with that meaty 152mm gun that will really get the tier 9s taking notice, but it's a loooooong way off. My main focus now is going to be the Russian TD line, I can drop back in at tier 4 there and pick up where I left off. I may well buy the SU-122-44 and save the JT88 for the future, the SU would serve as a handy crew trainer and money earner, while still being fun to play. I watched QB's video of it the other day, and while sniping with a 122mm does look a bit like rolling the dice and seeing what happens, I did think "give me a bit of that". Binocs, camo net, GLD, awesome.

Edited by Mastodon2 on Monday 25th August 01:11

[Beati Dogu]

The IS is one of the better tier 7 heavy tanks, but it doesn't feel very special because it's not OP like the KV-1S is at tier 6. Once they nerf the KV-1S, it'll feel like a step up I'm sure. Do you have any American tanks? They're pretty good.

I've had the SU-122-44 a while now and it's decent enough. The reload time is good and so is the mobility, but the gun depression is poor. It really benefits from having a good crew & like any turretless TD, get clutch braking on the driver before anything else to increase the turn rate.



I had a weird game last night with the 110, the Chinese tier 8 heavy tank. I was trying to finish in the top 5 for XP for one of the missions, so I was a bit cheesed to find myself in a heavily tier 10 battle on the new version of the Prokorovka map.There were 3 arty a side and we had no medium tanks at all. We did have a WZ-132 scout, but he was obliterated in the first minute, leaving me as our only tier 8 and our team with no eyes.

Since I was probably going to be clicked on anyway I decided to do the recon role in the mid ridge of the field. So I told them I'd do my best to try and give the arty and lurking TDs something to shoot at. I even managed a cheeky kill on an IS-7 that got a bit over aggressive before I went down to their tier 10 medium. By then we only had a WTF E100 and something else, whereas they still had all 3 arty and 3 tanks. So I exited to play something else.

Anyway I noticed later to my great surprise that we'd actually won the game. Looking at the results, they WTF E100 had nailed all 6 remaining enemies for a Top Gun, Pascucci's medal and High Calibre. The guy was a 45% player, but he'd played over 1K games with the WTF E100, so I guess he knew his way around it.

Even better, I'd done over 3.7K spotting damage and came 4th for XP.




Which was nice.

[Beati Dogu]

If you want to see the effects of things like crew skills & equipment you can do so here:

http://www.tanknumbers.com/en/index.php

Just pick the tank you want on the left & click on Calculator. Then make sure you select the configuration of the tank (i.e what gun & radio it has).

You can now toggle the likes of Brothers In Arms or Vents on and off to see what difference they make below.


So for example, the stock reload on the KV-1S' top 122mm gun is 15.342 seconds (with a 100% crew)

With a gun rammer it's 13.808 seconds

If you add vents as well it's 13.503

With Brothers In Arms added too it's 13.211 seconds

That's the configuration I have.

The only way to get it any lower is to use Extra Combat Rations which will bring the reload down to 12.663 seconds. You could probably sacrifice a fire extinguisher for that, as the KV-1S rarely catches fire in my experience.

[TX1]

Never timed my KV1s however have Improved vents, Gun Rammer, enhanced gun laying and brother in arms.
Put those in after some of you guys recomended them a while back.
Shall keep an eye out for the timing next time I play.
Was trying to work towards the chinese 110 to replace my IS3 however it is such a long grind, shall have to try harder and play totally towards it.
Yes just played a couple, 13.2 secs.

Edited by TX1 on Monday 25th August 15:44

[Beati Dogu]

I was thinking of changing my AMX 50 100 crew so they have Brothers in Arms, but it wouldn't really be worth it.

I know it helps with multiple things, but it only brings the reload down from 48.6 to 47.5 seconds.



September's missions will give you a free KV-220 (tier 5 Soviet premium heavy) or Type 62 (Chinese tier 7 premium light tank).

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/08/25/free-kv-220-and...

The KV-220 has the hull of an KV-3, but with the stock turret and 76 mm gun from the KV-1. I had to face one of these yesterday in my KV-1, but I shot him repeatedly in the turret and penetrated it every time.



The top of the tree tanks will be the Chinese “121″ medium tank, via the line WZ-132, WZ-120, 121

And then the British “Conqueror Gun Carrier” line.


That's lucky as I messed up and sold my WZ-120 by mistake the other day. I meant to sell the WZ-132, but they sound alike and they look alike. Doh!

[Mastodon2]

Beati Dogu said:

The IS is one of the better tier 7 heavy tanks, but it doesn't feel very special because it's not OP like the KV-1S is at tier 6. Once they nerf the KV-1S, it'll feel like a step up I'm sure. Do you have any American tanks? They're pretty good.

I haven't really played any American tanks yet. The only one I've got is a free tier 2 light premium they gave away a few weeks ago as a bonus for their big August bonanza. It's good fun but not exactly representative of the US tanks in general. I will possibly play the US autoloader TD line one day.

I've been having a great time in the SU-85 today. Paper thin armour, no slope, open topped and and with some of the worst elevation and depression in the game, it's not an easy tank to play, not least because sniping with 0.4-0.44 dispersion is tricky, and this thing really can't close the distance without being in great danger even from light tanks.

However, the Object 268 is perhaps the first tier 10 tank I'd like to unlock, but that is a long way off yet. I don't think I've ever even seen one in battle. Either that, or possibly the AMX Foch TD thing, which is rumoured to be coming in an update soon to give us the French tanks. The next two weeks are an "On track to the Object 268" event too, so I'll be smashing in the games with the TDs on the route to this bad boy, and scooping up the extra silver with the 30% discount and income boost on the line.

EDIT:

So, the SU-85B is proving very team-dependant. If it can get it's gun on the enemy with a team supporting my flank or flanks, it can be lethal. This afternoon I've had a Top Gun, a Mastery Class 1 and I've just picked up a De Langlade's medal, which I think is the first time I've had that one. Other times it can be utterly st, as the armour is pathetic for tier 4, and with 280hp and most guns ability to auto-pen the front of the tank, as soon as it's spotted it's game over. I was playing with George earlier and I posted a few 76xp shockers. I actually had more success in my IS! I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to a close-topped casemate TD with at least something resembling armour, just a few thousand XP more to go.

Edited by Mastodon2 on Monday 25th August 21:44

[ExV8]

Some good clan platoon game today, thanks guys.

Chopped in the Tortoise for the tier 10 FV. First game , two shots and two kills. Very impressed, seems far better than the jagdE100 which I also have.

[All that jazz]

Mastodon2 said:

EDIT:

So, the SU-85B is proving very team-dependant. If it can get it's gun on the enemy with a team supporting my flank or flanks, it can be lethal. This afternoon I've had a Top Gun, a Mastery Class 1 and I've just picked up a De Langlade's medal, which I think is the first time I've had that one. Other times it can be utterly st, as the armour is pathetic for tier 4, and with 280hp and most guns ability to auto-pen the front of the tank, as soon as it's spotted it's game over. I was playing with George earlier and I posted a few 76xp shockers. I actually had more success in my IS! I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to a close-topped casemate TD with at least something resembling armour, just a few thousand XP more to go.

Edited by Mastodon2 on Monday 25th August 21:44

Nothing wrong with Su-85B. It has one of the highest damage guns for its tier and the trade off is no armour and low HP, just like every other TD worth a st. It's my favourite tank to play and have 500 battles with it with 62% win rate. Camo rating on it is ridiculous too. Equip binos, camo net and rammer and go bush camping. It can easily hold its own in tier 6 if you bring some prem with you. Tier 4 games are a walk in the park and you don't even need to try.

[Beati Dogu]

I'm working my way up the Russian TD line from the beginning, as I started at tier 5 before. I'm still on the tier 2, which is pretty bad. Got killed earlier because some idiot in a light tank decided to use my low sneaky self as cover. He was seen when we opened fire and I took all the hits. I know I wasn't seen because I have 6th sense.

I could buy the Object 268, but I don't have the credits.

[bstb3]

Beati Dogu said:

I'm working my way up the Russian TD line from the beginning, as I started at tier 5 before. I'm still on the tier 2, which is pretty bad. Got killed earlier because some idiot in a light tank decided to use my low sneaky self as cover. He was seen when we opened fire and I took all the hits. I know I wasn't seen because I have 6th sense.

I could buy the Object 268, but I don't have the credits.

Don't buy the 268, really not worth it over the 704. I made that mistake, its really not an upgrade at all. On paper it seems a good bet - you get more mobility, slightly higher pen, quicker reload and (in theory) better accuracy, buy as a package it all seems horribly compromised somehow. The gun arc is poor, the gun handling with bloom on move etc. is not so good and the effectiveness of the armour is not a scratch on the 704. Also you are guaranteed to be against other tier 10's with it, and in the current corridor map meta it really isn't that effective being in a fixed hull TD with not great armour to start with. I'm told it used to be great, but the TX TD nerfs a few patches back have really hurt it.

As an example - I have played not so many games in mine (<30 probably) but have somehow managed to get the mastery 3 times in it. At no point did it take an especially great game (I don't quite remember but dont think I have gone over 1150 base xp in it). If a tank is being mastered at that level then I think that says a lot about how much it is being used, and how effective it is.

It's actually the only T10 I regret buying so far. Even more than the WFT-E100 (which I have sold) I knew I wouldn't like it when I got it but it was on the top of the tree discount so can't really regret trying it.