World of Tanks (Vol 2)
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ash73 said:
There's no point training my crew they get killed every 2 mins.
That's the spirit. It might not be clear, but your crew are enduring, they revive after each battle the experience they gather is cumulative. It sounds like you need to stop playing and start reading, this isn't a game you can just jump into and expect to do well at. I recommend you get over to the WOTwiki site and read the basic training guides, learn how the game mechanics work. Otherwise, you'll just keep getting wrecked over and over because you don't know how to play.
Good shout on Quickybaby, he is the best at playing like a boss and explaining what he is doing. His personal gameplay videos are best for medium tank tactics, but he posts replays that people to send to him and he talks through them, explaining their actions. I learned a hell of a lot from his videos.
In terms of other youtubers, Circonflexes/SirCircon is a good player, but doesn't really give tutorial advice, but once you know the basics of how the game works you can learn a lot by watching his positioning, map tactics etc.
TheFochYou and Jingles also do good tank reviews. Don't take too much heed of Jingles tactics though, his review videos are good but he makes some bad plays in his videos. He doesn't consider himself to be a great player though, he doesn't take the game terribly seriously at times and does make some cackhanded mistakes, but then we can't all be QB.
In other news, I'm drowning in the misery of the Chi-Ri. I must admit, the Japanese up to tier 6 were a lot, lot better than I expected them to be. But the Chi-Ri is painful, just awful.
In terms of other youtubers, Circonflexes/SirCircon is a good player, but doesn't really give tutorial advice, but once you know the basics of how the game works you can learn a lot by watching his positioning, map tactics etc.
TheFochYou and Jingles also do good tank reviews. Don't take too much heed of Jingles tactics though, his review videos are good but he makes some bad plays in his videos. He doesn't consider himself to be a great player though, he doesn't take the game terribly seriously at times and does make some cackhanded mistakes, but then we can't all be QB.
In other news, I'm drowning in the misery of the Chi-Ri. I must admit, the Japanese up to tier 6 were a lot, lot better than I expected them to be. But the Chi-Ri is painful, just awful.
Mastodon2 said:
That's the spirit. It might not be clear, but your crew are enduring, they revive after each battle the experience they gather is cumulative.
It sounds like you need to stop playing and start reading, this isn't a game you can just jump into and expect to do well at. I recommend you get over to the WOTwiki site and read the basic training guides, learn how the game mechanics work. Otherwise, you'll just keep getting wrecked over and over because you don't know how to play.
Pfft back in the beta there was no reading, jump in die and learn :PIt sounds like you need to stop playing and start reading, this isn't a game you can just jump into and expect to do well at. I recommend you get over to the WOTwiki site and read the basic training guides, learn how the game mechanics work. Otherwise, you'll just keep getting wrecked over and over because you don't know how to play.
ash73 said:
Watched a 45 min YT video on the tech tree and nearly died of boredom. Then I looked at the stats for my last scrap, the guy that shot me had done 20,000 previous battles and was in a class 1 tank beating up newbies... wtf? The game is fundamentally flawed not matching by experience, imo. I've had enough already.
It sounds like this game is not for you. WoT makes 3 types of player.1. The weak, who play, can't get good and quit.
2. The weak, who hang around and make up the tomatoes that good players crush for a living.
3. The strong, who annihilate their foes, hear the lamentations of the women and see their enemies driven before them.
Have you tried Call of Duty?
It's known as seal clubbing, where experienced players trample new players. It's worst at lower tiers, hence a lot of medals for achieving certain feats in battle only being available above certain tiers, but given that you can get to the mid tiers without an awful lot of battles under your belt, sometimes you can feel like you're seal clubbing even at tiers 5 and 6. It's not honourable, but give there are a lot of great low tier premium tanks, smashing noobs can be a good way to build strong crews.
Stick with it, it does seem a lot less frustrating once you understand the game mechanics. You'll still rage though, hell I rage quit just this morning.
Read into:
1. Spotting mechanics
2. Penetration mechanics
3. Tank types and battlefield roles
4. Ammo types
5. Equipment
6. Consumables
7. Crew skills and training
If you don't have a good grip on the above, you will keep getting stomped, you won't know how or why and you won't improve. Once you've done the learning, it's incredibly fun.
Stick with it, it does seem a lot less frustrating once you understand the game mechanics. You'll still rage though, hell I rage quit just this morning.
Read into:
1. Spotting mechanics
2. Penetration mechanics
3. Tank types and battlefield roles
4. Ammo types
5. Equipment
6. Consumables
7. Crew skills and training
If you don't have a good grip on the above, you will keep getting stomped, you won't know how or why and you won't improve. Once you've done the learning, it's incredibly fun.
ash73 said:
This is just an ego trip for tank geeks who like to hide in bushes 
Don't forget knocking down trees. Knocking down trees is cool 
Mastodon2 - i was the same with the Chi Ri, but stick with it. Once you get it down it actually grows on you. I ended up quite liking it, it's just a bit odd. Found it benefits best from playing it consistently, its too weird to keep playing once or twice now and again as you wont get the feel for it that way.
bstb3 said:
Don't forget knocking down trees. Knocking down trees is cool
Mastodon2 - i was the same with the Chi Ri, but stick with it. Once you get it down it actually grows on you. I ended up quite liking it, it's just a bit odd. Found it benefits best from playing it consistently, its too weird to keep playing once or twice now and again as you wont get the feel for it that way.
I have quite good results when platooning it with another Chi Ri, similar to running Churchill III platoons. We either focus fire, or work a medieval archer style system, one shoots while one reloads, then swap, ensuring continuous fire. It also does distraction flanking well, using one tank to distract a target while the other flanks, then unloading the magazine before hiding, causing the target to panic and either ignore the flanking tank and take more damage, or turn to face it and allow the distracting tank to start shooting. All mediums do quite well with these tactics, but the burst damage of the Chi Ri makes it particularly effective. I suppose it has to be, as it's not a stealthy predator or a ridgeline warrior. Mastodon2 - i was the same with the Chi Ri, but stick with it. Once you get it down it actually grows on you. I ended up quite liking it, it's just a bit odd. Found it benefits best from playing it consistently, its too weird to keep playing once or twice now and again as you wont get the feel for it that way.
I'm quite excited about the tanks coming after though, they all look pretty good. It was the STB-1 that got me and my platoon buddy interested in the Japanese line, but the STA-1 and the Type 61 look like they cold be good tanks too. The Chi-Nu, Chi-Nu Kai and the Chi-To are all belters too, I may actually buy another Chi-To when all is said and done here.
Changing subject, I don't suppose anyone here has an AT-15A, do they? The Xbox version has the unbuffed version, that sees tier 9 and has a pathetic 50hp extra on the tier 6 AT. I've been asking the developers to get onto buffing it in line with the PC game, as I'm sure the time it would take for a developer to tweak the stat code for the vehicle prior to an update would cost massively less than the actual revenue they'd make if people bought the premium. As it is, there are a lot of excited players on the Xbox forum who want it, just not when in it's current, non-competitive state. If they buffed it and brought it to the same level they did on the PC, I'd buy one in a second.
The tier 8-10 Japanese tanks are all pretty good from what I hear. I like the tier 8, although it's not fully upgraded yet. Looking forward to the top gun on it as it has more pen and an 8 round per minute reload.
I played the Chi-Ri a few games at the time because I was using it for the WZ-111 mission (150K damage & 150 kills). I re-bought the tier 6 to help out with that too. The Chi-Ri is fine apart from in tier 9 games, but most tier 7s are pretty useless in those anyway. It can wreck a Tiger 1 heavy tank with its burst damage.
I played the Chi-Ri a few games at the time because I was using it for the WZ-111 mission (150K damage & 150 kills). I re-bought the tier 6 to help out with that too. The Chi-Ri is fine apart from in tier 9 games, but most tier 7s are pretty useless in those anyway. It can wreck a Tiger 1 heavy tank with its burst damage.
Hadn't played this for about 6 months as I was no longer enjoying it, but was at a loose end with a mate last night so we logged in (well, updated and logged in...) to see what was going on. I had 277 gold left in my account so got a day of premium and into battle we went... What an absolute blast we had! There was no chance of us leveling a tank so there was no sense of grinding away to the next tank, we had no mods installed so there was no knowing about how bad our team was compared to the other team, chat was off so no abusive whiney kids, all in all a very fun evening.
And in the third game back this happened -
I don't think those medal/achievement things were in the game last time I played!
So if anyone else is thinking of giving up the game, try turning all the mods off and ignoring what tanks you need to level, just go out and blow up some tanks...
Few questions though - there's a chain of missions thing (one for each type of tank, 15 missions in each), does this last forever or is it one of the month long things?
I see there's a public test of new physics, what's this all about as I couldn't see what was changing in the news.
And in the third game back this happened -
I don't think those medal/achievement things were in the game last time I played!
So if anyone else is thinking of giving up the game, try turning all the mods off and ignoring what tanks you need to level, just go out and blow up some tanks...
Few questions though - there's a chain of missions thing (one for each type of tank, 15 missions in each), does this last forever or is it one of the month long things?
I see there's a public test of new physics, what's this all about as I couldn't see what was changing in the news.
FunkyNige said:
I see there's a public test of new physics, what's this all about as I couldn't see what was changing in the news.
They're updating the physics engine - installing a new one I think, actually. Supposedly, the end result will be more realistic physics, tanks will no longer stop like they've hit a railway buffer when you let off the throttle, they can powerslide more readily, tanks will be able to flip over in the future, they've revised how damage is dealt by falling from heights etc.I know with the current Big World engine the game will not let tanks flip, sometimes if a tank if tilted to it's maximum elevation, the physics engine just says no and the tank totally freaks out and spin around and bounce about until it is righted.
FunkyNige said:
there's a chain of missions thing (one for each type of tank, 15 missions in each), does this last forever or is it one of the month long things?
They haven't said yet quite how long it will last, but the inference is it will be a very long time. My guess would be 2 campaigns a year at most (a campaign being the 20 sets of 15 missions currently available), so these should be around until June / July at the very earliest.The personal missions started in mid-January. I believe Wargaming expected about 10% of players to be able to get the 4th tank, but I seriously doubt it'll be more that 2% at the very most; Even if it lasts all year.
It took one Twitch steaming unicorn (0rzy) 2 months of playing about 10 hours a day to do it - and he resorted to rigging the last medium tank mission in order to do it.
Over all it has had a pretty negative effect of the game. It has led to a lot of players doing dumb things in order to get particular missions completed. Plus there's been a big upsurge in artillery usage as well. Not just by the usual clicker retards either, but by people who know what they're doing.
It took one Twitch steaming unicorn (0rzy) 2 months of playing about 10 hours a day to do it - and he resorted to rigging the last medium tank mission in order to do it.
Over all it has had a pretty negative effect of the game. It has led to a lot of players doing dumb things in order to get particular missions completed. Plus there's been a big upsurge in artillery usage as well. Not just by the usual clicker retards either, but by people who know what they're doing.
The SEA and NA servers are giving out bonuses just for logging in it seems. 
On NA at least, this special starts today & runs for 2 months. Players will get 50K silver a day and for every 5 days they log in they'll get things like vents, gun laying drives & premium days. Log in for 30 days and they get a T7 Combat Car. For 60 days it's a SU-100Y (Boxtank!).
http://worldoftanks.com/en/news/pc-browser/22/dail...
Sheesh...Talk about easy. Time to dust off my US account I think.
BTW, If anyone wants to set up a new NA account, use the code "WOTLABS" when you do for 7 days of Premium, 500 gold & a T2 Light Tank. This is valid up to the end of May apparently.
On NA at least, this special starts today & runs for 2 months. Players will get 50K silver a day and for every 5 days they log in they'll get things like vents, gun laying drives & premium days. Log in for 30 days and they get a T7 Combat Car. For 60 days it's a SU-100Y (Boxtank!).
http://worldoftanks.com/en/news/pc-browser/22/dail...
Sheesh...Talk about easy. Time to dust off my US account I think.
BTW, If anyone wants to set up a new NA account, use the code "WOTLABS" when you do for 7 days of Premium, 500 gold & a T2 Light Tank. This is valid up to the end of May apparently.
Edited by Beati Dogu on Sunday 8th March 17:19
Mastodon2 said:
They're updating the physics engine - installing a new one I think, actually. Supposedly, the end result will be more realistic physics, tanks will no longer stop like they've hit a railway buffer when you let off the throttle, they can powerslide more readily, tanks will be able to flip over in the future, they've revised how damage is dealt by falling from heights etc.
Not in the next update - this is just an early trial - some interesting effects but some way to go as at the moment it just makes it too 'arcadey' - at the moment the tanks stop quicker and powerslide like crazyAsh - stick at it and don't let the idiots get you down - join the clan and platoon with someone here to even up the odds a little - most of us enjoy going back to the low tiers every now and then anyway and we're generally a friendly bunch
I've started on the French light line, I'd like a Bat Chat 25 T one day. This will be a secondary grind to the Japanese, mainly because I couldn't stand to play these awful s
tboxes for long.
The H35 is utterly st - it has "tier 2" guns available apparently, but they're all worse than the tier 1 gun the Micro Maus gets, not to mention it has worse soft stats than the Micro Maus. The AMX 38 is another dreadful heap of st, apart from armour this thing has literally no redeeming features. Slow, terrible guns, terrible turret traverse, not amazing at spotting etc. The AMX 40 I know to be utterly dreadful, having watched their cams in combat when I've died. Interesting looking thing, but utterly dire.
The ELC AMX is a tank I'm looking forward to, I must remember to play it properly, as 99% of them that I see in games die within 2 minutes. Detecting 12 enemy vehicles is great, but if you die before the team are in place to take any shots at them you've still achieved nothing worthwhile. I don't think 95% of ELC AMX drivers go higher up the chain either, I seem to see an ELC in tier tier 5 game I'm in, but higher tier French tanks are a much rarer sight.
Am I setting myself up for misery playing light tanks? I know they rely on the team to do damage, and that is where their XP comes from, even if the French lights at higher tiers do get some reasonable guns. It could be bad for my sanity, lighting up half the field, and seeing my team mill around like lame ducks instead of taking advantage of the spotted targets. Like SirFoch always says, you can't rely on the top tier heavy tanks on your team to do any damage, because they're almost always st players.
tboxes for long. The H35 is utterly s
t - it has "tier 2" guns available apparently, but they're all worse than the tier 1 gun the Micro Maus gets, not to mention it has worse soft stats than the Micro Maus. The AMX 38 is another dreadful heap of st, apart from armour this thing has literally no redeeming features. Slow, terrible guns, terrible turret traverse, not amazing at spotting etc. The AMX 40 I know to be utterly dreadful, having watched their cams in combat when I've died. Interesting looking thing, but utterly dire.The ELC AMX is a tank I'm looking forward to, I must remember to play it properly, as 99% of them that I see in games die within 2 minutes. Detecting 12 enemy vehicles is great, but if you die before the team are in place to take any shots at them you've still achieved nothing worthwhile. I don't think 95% of ELC AMX drivers go higher up the chain either, I seem to see an ELC in tier tier 5 game I'm in, but higher tier French tanks are a much rarer sight.
Am I setting myself up for misery playing light tanks? I know they rely on the team to do damage, and that is where their XP comes from, even if the French lights at higher tiers do get some reasonable guns. It could be bad for my sanity, lighting up half the field, and seeing my team mill around like lame ducks instead of taking advantage of the spotted targets. Like SirFoch always says, you can't rely on the top tier heavy tanks on your team to do any damage, because they're almost always s
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