World of Tanks (Vol 2)
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I couldn't face playing the T28/T95, so I went down the turreted tree instead.
The T28 Prot is slow as hell, but I quite liked it. The frontal armour is all right and the good gun depression means you can take advantage of the terrain. Its snail like speed means it's really a defensive TD. You're not going to be able to pull a s
tty team out of the mess they've made, but that's the same with any slow tank.
Since you've played the T25 AT, you will already have the second gun for the T28 Prot, which is bearable. The top 120 mm gun is the same as on the T34 premium heavy, but faster firing and a much better aim time.
The tier 9 T30 also starts with that gun, which makes it in nearly every respect a T34 with a 50% faster reload. As with most tier 9s, the grind is long. I went for the engine first (32K XP), but even then it's not a quick vehicle. The top gun (66K XP) has 750 average alpa damage, so it's great for squishing light tanks and exterminating wounded tanks. The T30's guns look very similar, so the stock one will catch people out with the faster reload. I know that's happened to me a couple of times.
You can play it as a supporting tank (it used to the the top tier heavy a few years ago). Like the T34, the hull armour is poor and you're only really going to bounce stuff off the gun mantlet. Gun depression is good though.
I'm less than 1K XP from eliting my T30, so I'll do that later today. I have liked playing it, despite getting some bloody awful fail teams with it.
If I ever decided to play the other tree later on, I'd already have all the guns, radios and engines for it. I'd only need to unlock the top tracks.
The T28 Prot is slow as hell, but I quite liked it. The frontal armour is all right and the good gun depression means you can take advantage of the terrain. Its snail like speed means it's really a defensive TD. You're not going to be able to pull a s
tty team out of the mess they've made, but that's the same with any slow tank.Since you've played the T25 AT, you will already have the second gun for the T28 Prot, which is bearable. The top 120 mm gun is the same as on the T34 premium heavy, but faster firing and a much better aim time.
The tier 9 T30 also starts with that gun, which makes it in nearly every respect a T34 with a 50% faster reload. As with most tier 9s, the grind is long. I went for the engine first (32K XP), but even then it's not a quick vehicle. The top gun (66K XP) has 750 average alpa damage, so it's great for squishing light tanks and exterminating wounded tanks. The T30's guns look very similar, so the stock one will catch people out with the faster reload. I know that's happened to me a couple of times.
You can play it as a supporting tank (it used to the the top tier heavy a few years ago). Like the T34, the hull armour is poor and you're only really going to bounce stuff off the gun mantlet. Gun depression is good though.
I'm less than 1K XP from eliting my T30, so I'll do that later today. I have liked playing it, despite getting some bloody awful fail teams with it.
If I ever decided to play the other tree later on, I'd already have all the guns, radios and engines for it. I'd only need to unlock the top tracks.
TEKNOPUG said:
Is it the one with the auto-loader?
No, but it is fairly rapid firing. I've had one for a while, but rarely play it. A platoon of two of them, focus firing, would be insane.RobDickinson said:
Ok so I have a T25/2 and a T25 AT. T28 and T28 prot unlocked. Crews similar xp (90/95% first skill).
Both are about $2.5mil (I have 1.5).
One crew is going back to a woverine I think , loved playing that.
Think I prefer the turreted t25/2 but the T28 prot is less mobile, but likely the one to go for?
I ground out the T28 Prototype line all the way to the T110-E4. The T28 Prot was ok. Decent gun and a turret, and the armour is ok against people who don't know where to shoot it. But it is painfully slow and inflexible. It wasn't the worst grind I have had but the sluggishness makes it difficult to get to where you need to be.Both are about $2.5mil (I have 1.5).
One crew is going back to a woverine I think , loved playing that.
Think I prefer the turreted t25/2 but the T28 prot is less mobile, but likely the one to go for?
I didn't get on with the T30 at all. It felt like a T34 with a bigger alpha gun but it was way too derpy and unreliable for my liking.
The T110-E4 is ok. I haven't played many games with it but it hasn't been dreadful so far. However it seems like an inferior E100. Why would you play an E4 when you can play an E100?
As for the E3 line. I haven't played it. The T28 seems to be even less flexible than the T28 Prot as it is as sluggish but has no turret. The gun handling appears to be a little better though.
The T95 just seems to be a nightmare. Its a big fat slug with no mobility at all and ultra vulnerable to Arty. It has impressive frontal armour, but only noobs will allow themselves to get in front of its gun.
The E3 looks like it could be fun to play and has very solid frontal armour and a little more mobility than the T95. I am just not prepared to put up with the T28 and T95 to get it.
I can't imagine playing the T95 either. It's so slow that it would make me go wild with rage. If something fast (like a Bulldog) gets around you you'd be nibbled to death and if arty see you you're stuffed.
I haven't gone any further that the Hellcat for American TDs (and don't play that much since they nerfed it) but I've got a Jagdtiger and an Object 704 at tier 9.
I quite like both of them but the 704 would probably be my favourite out of the two.
I haven't gone any further that the Hellcat for American TDs (and don't play that much since they nerfed it) but I've got a Jagdtiger and an Object 704 at tier 9.
I quite like both of them but the 704 would probably be my favourite out of the two.
Beati Dogu said:
The Object 704 is my favourite tier 9 TD too. I've played them all apart from the Tortoise and the T95.
The T30 is probably second. The Wafflepanzer 4 is pretty good too, although you have to fight the gun depression by driving it backwards half the time.
Had a good one in my 704 last night, solo'ed an IS7 and executed an JP E100The T30 is probably second. The Wafflepanzer 4 is pretty good too, although you have to fight the gun depression by driving it backwards half the time.
I only have a Tortiose at T9. Painful grind until you get the top gun. But what a gun! Proper DPM spitting death cannon
It's obviously very slow and therefore situational. However, I've found it best to play agressively. No point waiting for the enemy to come to you. Games can be over very quickly if meds get behind you, so have to be conscious of that.
It's obviously very slow and therefore situational. However, I've found it best to play agressively. No point waiting for the enemy to come to you. Games can be over very quickly if meds get behind you, so have to be conscious of that.
If I did play the high tier British TDs, I'd go up the newer line first. You get the Tortoise's top gun by default on the other tier 9 IIRC.
Anyway, I've finished the T30 now, with a decent game too:
http://wotreplays.com/site/2022779#self
It was a 30% win chance apparently. I messed up a little at the end by flattening my own cover, but the Spahpanzer should have tried to flank me anyway.
It's quite a nice looking tank I think, especially with this new US camouflage on it:
That's the top 155 mm gun. The faster-firing 120 mm you'd start with has the same muzzle break design, but the gun is actually a bit longer and thinner of course. Like I said earlier, you'd be hard pressed to see the difference if one is coming at you.
Anyway, I've finished the T30 now, with a decent game too:
http://wotreplays.com/site/2022779#self
It was a 30% win chance apparently. I messed up a little at the end by flattening my own cover, but the Spahpanzer should have tried to flank me anyway.
It's quite a nice looking tank I think, especially with this new US camouflage on it:
That's the top 155 mm gun. The faster-firing 120 mm you'd start with has the same muzzle break design, but the gun is actually a bit longer and thinner of course. Like I said earlier, you'd be hard pressed to see the difference if one is coming at you.
Edited by Beati Dogu on Thursday 16th July 20:09
Speaking of the 105 lef, it's a great arty but I don't think it's massively OP, when it was tier 4 on it's introduction on the PC it would have been mental, but at tier 5 it starts to face some reasonable armour in the KV-1, and more and more armour and health at tier 6 and 7. Against lower tiers and open top vehicles it absolutely wrecks them with it's ROF and fairly good accuracy for an SPG. Against KV-1s and anything tier 6/7 with a bit of armour and hit points, you'll be chipping away for ages. The pen is not great, the trajectory is fairly flat too, so big 400 damage shots don't come often against tougher stuff. Still, it's the strongest arty at tier 5 by a good length, and well placed in the tiers too, as it gets to dump shells on DW2s, T28s and T40s on a regular basis.
With regard to the high tier Yank TDs, Z06George off here played through the E3 line with no premium account - for the hardcore only! He got the E3 recently and it is ridiculous. The T95 on the other hand, is one of those things that has amazing games or terrible ones. Even big guns with premium ammo can struggle with the front, the hatch can be tough to hit from a distance and the big 155mm gun just annihilates anything it looks at. But when the match unfolds away from the T95, it just can't get into the fight.
On the topic of the Jagdtiger and the JPE-100, I genuinely think the Jagdtiger is more dangerous than the JPE-100. The tier 10 is a great novelty tank, but it's so slow and so RNG dependent, where the JT is very reliable in it's damage output, just don't rely on the armour of it, it's not what it's cracked up to be. Still, when you drop a 1000 damage shot onto an enemy you can't help but lol.
With regard to the high tier Yank TDs, Z06George off here played through the E3 line with no premium account - for the hardcore only! He got the E3 recently and it is ridiculous. The T95 on the other hand, is one of those things that has amazing games or terrible ones. Even big guns with premium ammo can struggle with the front, the hatch can be tough to hit from a distance and the big 155mm gun just annihilates anything it looks at. But when the match unfolds away from the T95, it just can't get into the fight.
On the topic of the Jagdtiger and the JPE-100, I genuinely think the Jagdtiger is more dangerous than the JPE-100. The tier 10 is a great novelty tank, but it's so slow and so RNG dependent, where the JT is very reliable in it's damage output, just don't rely on the armour of it, it's not what it's cracked up to be. Still, when you drop a 1000 damage shot onto an enemy you can't help but lol.
You can permotrack things with the Lefurhurur, which is what happened to my KV-1S the other day. bd kept me stuck and unable to angle from an AT2
Why can't Wargaming make a decent map? They keep fiddling with them and making them even worse than before. The Swamp map is still a massive arty fest like before.
d kept me stuck and unable to angle from an AT2Why can't Wargaming make a decent map? They keep fiddling with them and making them even worse than before. The Swamp map is still a massive arty fest like before.
Beati Dogu said:
You can permotrack things with the Lefurhurur, which is what happened to my KV-1S the other day. bd kept me stuck and unable to angle from an AT2
Yes, that is true. Another bonus is the module damage. We've now got an in-depth damage readout thing after the match, which I believe is the same as the PC, showing the damage you did to a specific target (which we've always had) damage done while you were spotting it (ditto) and damage caused by others after you've tracked it (new). We now also get info on all the crew injured or killed and modules damaged or destroyed. We've finally got shots bounced and damage blocked by armour too, about bloody time.d kept me stuck and unable to angle from an AT2I was playing my lef in the beta last weekend, the first time I've played with the new damage readouts, and I hit him about 10 times, permatracked and still didn't kill him, bu when I saw the damage readout after the battle I'd destroyed his tracks, his gun, his view finder, killed his commander and driver and injured his gunner. He must have been mad, stuck there while his tank was chipped away, knowing that if he ever managed to move it again he'd be completely f
ked anyway, his repair and first aid kits gone and yet he was still stuck in a wreck of a tank.
OK Might stick with the T25/2 as I like its almost medium playstyle. Drop the T25 at crew back a few levels for fun.
I probably need the $ for a new HT anyhow, Need HT-15 (first one) and I have a T29, Tiger 1 and KV-3 , none of which look likely to hit 6k all round damage (dealt, blocked). not sure which would be the best upgrade from those. T32, Tiger2 line or Kv-4
Got MT-15 though last night, top tank in my Cromwell needed 2 easy TD kills. Why cant they all be level independent like that?
I probably need the $ for a new HT anyhow, Need HT-15 (first one) and I have a T29, Tiger 1 and KV-3 , none of which look likely to hit 6k all round damage (dealt, blocked). not sure which would be the best upgrade from those. T32, Tiger2 line or Kv-4
Got MT-15 though last night, top tank in my Cromwell needed 2 easy TD kills. Why cant they all be level independent like that?
RobDickinson said:
I probably need the $ for a new HT anyhow, Need HT-15 (first one) and I have a T29, Tiger 1 and KV-3 , none of which look likely to hit 6k all round damage (dealt, blocked). not sure which would be the best upgrade from those. T32, Tiger2 line or Kv-4
None of those are very good tbh. I'd be thinking long term rather than relying on a tier 8, a fully upgraded E-75 could do a 6k dealt/blocked match without a sweat if it's top tier. If you've got a T34, that could do it, I've had 4000 damage + games in mine, and 2000 could easily be blocked by the mantlet if enough shells come your way.Mastodon2 said:
RobDickinson said:
I probably need the $ for a new HT anyhow, Need HT-15 (first one) and I have a T29, Tiger 1 and KV-3 , none of which look likely to hit 6k all round damage (dealt, blocked). not sure which would be the best upgrade from those. T32, Tiger2 line or Kv-4
None of those are very good tbh. I'd be thinking long term rather than relying on a tier 8, a fully upgraded E-75 could do a 6k dealt/blocked match without a sweat if it's top tier. If you've got a T34, that could do it, I've had 4000 damage + games in mine, and 2000 could easily be blocked by the mantlet if enough shells come your way.Guess the best option is tiger- II - E75 , though I love playing the tiger might have to keep that.
The KV-4 is a tough son of a bh & it's fun to bully other tanks with it. At 100 tonnes it's great for ramming, even at slow speed. The HT-15 mission should be doable with that.
I've got the tier 9 ST-I now, which is also a strong tank. It has the same gun as the IS-8 and IS-4.
I did the first part of the Stug HT-15 mission with the ST-I, but didn't win the game to get the all important secondary. I nearly got it again today - 5 kills, 5.6K damage inflicted and some taken; But it was a draw (only the enemy scumbag left) and I'd forgotten to select it anyway.
h & it's fun to bully other tanks with it. At 100 tonnes it's great for ramming, even at slow speed. The HT-15 mission should be doable with that.I've got the tier 9 ST-I now, which is also a strong tank. It has the same gun as the IS-8 and IS-4.
I did the first part of the Stug HT-15 mission with the ST-I, but didn't win the game to get the all important secondary. I nearly got it again today - 5 kills, 5.6K damage inflicted and some taken; But it was a draw (only the enemy scumbag left) and I'd forgotten to select it anyway.
RobDickinson said:
I have the IS-8 unlocked as my only T9, I hated it tho far prefer the is-3 , had few upgrades on it didnt want the grind.
Guess the best option is tiger- II - E75 , though I love playing the tiger might have to keep that.
The IS-8 is poor, great top gun but it's big and the armour is poor, feels worse than the IS-3, you'd have to do nearly all of the damage with the gun, or have a 4700-ish damage game and get destroyed to make up the rest (damage done to your health is counted too, isn't it?), as the IS-8 armour is not reliable for bouncing.Guess the best option is tiger- II - E75 , though I love playing the tiger might have to keep that.
If you eventually get a tier 10 heavy, a 6k game is not that unusual, an E-100 or a Maus will knock those out easily, I could have completed it in a single encounter with JPE-100 once, when I bounced four of his shells with my IS-7 and killed him. 3 AP bounced, then a HEAT, then he turned and ran, that would have been an average of 4400 damage blocked, and I killed him so that was another 2200 damage on the score. At higher tiers these big numbers just keep on coming.
I think you'll get it in the Tiger II if you have a good game though, I've probably had a few 6k games in it, though I wouldn't have known as the "damage blocked my armour" was only added to the Xbox in the last patch.
I got Heavy Tank 15 (Stug IV) using the tier 9 VK45.02B. The frontal armour on that thing is so silly that I got the mission almost right away without really trying. I definitely recommend that beast for any HT missions that involve bouncing damage.
I haven't got to HT 15 for the T28 HTC as yet but I don't see why the VK couldn't achieve it second time round as well.
I haven't got to HT 15 for the T28 HTC as yet but I don't see why the VK couldn't achieve it second time round as well.
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