World of Tanks (Vol 2)
Discussion
Jayyylo said:
I know to aim for general weak spots and the like but in the mid tiers I'm starting to meet tanks which actually have armour and a lot of my tanks at this stage are stock or not far off stock. It's hard to contribute when you can't pen and you're too slow to spot. It's one of those catch 22 scenarios when you buy a new tank along with only having a 75% crew. Got to make the most of top tier battles.
As mentioned earlier, the M3 Lee is best played in a similar style to a TD when possible. The gun really is it's only redeeming feature.
At mid tiers there isn't too much to worry about not penetrating with a few exceptions. Any tank starting with AT you need to shoot the capola or get behind it as you won't pen it frontally. Heavies up to around tier 6 just aim for LFP if you've only got their front. KV-1, KV-2, KV-85 just shoot the big turret. Matilda's - just load gold. Some TDs are quite well angled at the front like the Hetzer so watch out for bounces on those and try to get their sides. Pretty much everything else you should be able to pen. If you can't, load some gold.As mentioned earlier, the M3 Lee is best played in a similar style to a TD when possible. The gun really is it's only redeeming feature.
Mastodon2 said:
I swear, if I wasn't a skinhead I'd tear my f
king hair out playing this game. Tier 9 game on South Coast, we spawn north, demolish the 9 line and take the flag. The enemy rush the 1 line and arrive at our cap. All we have to do is sit on the cap and we'll out-cap them, some idiot is shouting "We should attack, we outnumber them, we can take them" - I remind him they are only 10 cap points behind us and we can never, ever get back to base in 10 seconds, so he is like "Oh right". Meanwhile, this fking idiot cockney who has been shouting all through the match with his battle commander bullst suddenly rolls right off the cap while trying to look for the enemy arty - losing us a chunk of cap points. As he stumbles back on, we go neck and neck with the enemy and end in a draw. Everyone with half a braincell goes apest, while he gives it the "Sowwy guys, awight, awight it's just a game mate, it's just a game innit!". Yeah, I'm not here to fking lose, fking dhead.
The next game was a total disaster also, Sand River east spawn, 7 tanks go up the hill into the top right corner of the map, I defend the middle and two TDs camp at base. The 7 tanks in the north amazing lose the fight and die up there, I control the middle of the map and the base gets overrun. As the 4 enemy tanks that won the mountain fight loop round behind me I get killed as the 112 just can't fight two flank at once, the enemy don't even bother capping, having completely pincered our idiot team and they proceed to destroy everything left alive. I end with a high calibre, 1500 damage clear of anyone on the enemy team and 2000 clear of anyone on my team. I absolutely fking despair, I really do.
At least you don't have Win 8 padders who'll run off after more damage, instead of cap when it makes sense to do so.king hair out playing this game. Tier 9 game on South Coast, we spawn north, demolish the 9 line and take the flag. The enemy rush the 1 line and arrive at our cap. All we have to do is sit on the cap and we'll out-cap them, some idiot is shouting "We should attack, we outnumber them, we can take them" - I remind him they are only 10 cap points behind us and we can never, ever get back to base in 10 seconds, so he is like "Oh right". Meanwhile, this fking idiot cockney who has been shouting all through the match with his battle commander bullst suddenly rolls right off the cap while trying to look for the enemy arty - losing us a chunk of cap points. As he stumbles back on, we go neck and neck with the enemy and end in a draw. Everyone with half a braincell goes apest, while he gives it the "Sowwy guys, awight, awight it's just a game mate, it's just a game innit!". Yeah, I'm not here to fking lose, fking dhead.The next game was a total disaster also, Sand River east spawn, 7 tanks go up the hill into the top right corner of the map, I defend the middle and two TDs camp at base. The 7 tanks in the north amazing lose the fight and die up there, I control the middle of the map and the base gets overrun. As the 4 enemy tanks that won the mountain fight loop round behind me I get killed as the 112 just can't fight two flank at once, the enemy don't even bother capping, having completely pincered our idiot team and they proceed to destroy everything left alive. I end with a high calibre, 1500 damage clear of anyone on the enemy team and 2000 clear of anyone on my team. I absolutely f
king despair, I really do.
Mastodon2 said:
I swear, if I wasn't a skinhead I'd tear my fking hair out playing this game. Tier 9 game on South Coast, we spawn north, demolish the 9 line and take the flag. The enemy rush the 1 line and arrive at our cap. All we have to do is sit on the cap and we'll out-cap them, some idiot is shouting "We should attack, we outnumber them, we can take them" - I remind him they are only 10 cap points behind us and we can never, ever get back to base in 10 seconds, so he is like "Oh right". Meanwhile, this fking idiot cockney who has been shouting all through the match with his battle commander bullst suddenly rolls right off the cap while trying to look for the enemy arty - losing us a chunk of cap points. As he stumbles back on, we go neck and neck with the enemy and end in a draw. Everyone with half a braincell goes apest, while he gives it the "Sowwy guys, awight, awight it's just a game mate, it's just a game innit!". Yeah, I'm not here to fking lose, fking dhead.
The next game was a total disaster also, Sand River east spawn, 7 tanks go up the hill into the top right corner of the map, I defend the middle and two TDs camp at base. The 7 tanks in the north amazing lose the fight and die up there, I control the middle of the map and the base gets overrun. As the 4 enemy tanks that won the mountain fight loop round behind me I get killed as the 112 just can't fight two flank at once, the enemy don't even bother capping, having completely pincered our idiot team and they proceed to destroy everything left alive. I end with a high calibre, 1500 damage clear of anyone on the enemy team and 2000 clear of anyone on my team. I absolutely fking despair, I really do.
I like to visit this thread from time to time as its stories like that which remind me why I hardly ever play the game anymore. Even when I do it's only at mid level so I reckon all my tier X tanks will have gone rusty by now. king hair out playing this game. Tier 9 game on South Coast, we spawn north, demolish the 9 line and take the flag. The enemy rush the 1 line and arrive at our cap. All we have to do is sit on the cap and we'll out-cap them, some idiot is shouting "We should attack, we outnumber them, we can take them" - I remind him they are only 10 cap points behind us and we can never, ever get back to base in 10 seconds, so he is like "Oh right". Meanwhile, this fking idiot cockney who has been shouting all through the match with his battle commander bullst suddenly rolls right off the cap while trying to look for the enemy arty - losing us a chunk of cap points. As he stumbles back on, we go neck and neck with the enemy and end in a draw. Everyone with half a braincell goes apest, while he gives it the "Sowwy guys, awight, awight it's just a game mate, it's just a game innit!". Yeah, I'm not here to fking lose, fking dhead.The next game was a total disaster also, Sand River east spawn, 7 tanks go up the hill into the top right corner of the map, I defend the middle and two TDs camp at base. The 7 tanks in the north amazing lose the fight and die up there, I control the middle of the map and the base gets overrun. As the 4 enemy tanks that won the mountain fight loop round behind me I get killed as the 112 just can't fight two flank at once, the enemy don't even bother capping, having completely pincered our idiot team and they proceed to destroy everything left alive. I end with a high calibre, 1500 damage clear of anyone on the enemy team and 2000 clear of anyone on my team. I absolutely f
king despair, I really do.Edited by DIW35 on Thursday 27th August 07:00
Beati Dogu said:
At least you don't have Win 8 padders who'll run off after more damage, instead of cap when it makes sense to do so.
I had a new one last night (well new to me), Happily sitting capturing the flag in my t67 when a tiger comes a long and decides to push me out of the capture zone to allow the rest of the team to hunt down the last few remaining enemy.. I'm sure he suffered some rage as I drove around the other side and completed the capture 
Here's one for you guys.
If you get into a battle and one of the top tanks on your side is a player with terrible stats (for example, less than 200 WN8 and 4K games) in a high tier premium or another high tier do you bother saying anything?
Last night I was in a match with 2 tier 9 tanks on either side. One of ours was an E75 with about 200 WN8 and 2K games.
I pointed out that he should learn to play the game in lower tier tanks first and got quite a bit of abuse from another, much better (blue WN8), player.
To prove my point the map was Abbey and us lights and fast mediums (I was in a CDC) went for the Abbey. We trapped a few of their lights there and as I tried to hide after a shot in the CDC I found the E75 had followed us up there and (maybe deliberately) had blocked me so I couldn't retreat and got killed by all the lights hiding in the corners.
It really gets my goat when things like this happen but I wonder if I'm better not saying anything?
If you get into a battle and one of the top tanks on your side is a player with terrible stats (for example, less than 200 WN8 and 4K games) in a high tier premium or another high tier do you bother saying anything?
Last night I was in a match with 2 tier 9 tanks on either side. One of ours was an E75 with about 200 WN8 and 2K games.
I pointed out that he should learn to play the game in lower tier tanks first and got quite a bit of abuse from another, much better (blue WN8), player.
To prove my point the map was Abbey and us lights and fast mediums (I was in a CDC) went for the Abbey. We trapped a few of their lights there and as I tried to hide after a shot in the CDC I found the E75 had followed us up there and (maybe deliberately) had blocked me so I couldn't retreat and got killed by all the lights hiding in the corners.
It really gets my goat when things like this happen but I wonder if I'm better not saying anything?
RobDickinson said:
Report him for that.
I dont comment on other players skill unless obviously a bot
Whether it does anything or not (I imagine that if a player gets enough reports they will get looked at by WG) report him.I dont comment on other players skill unless obviously a bot
I had an instance where I was in my Borsig Waffle (tier 8 German TD with no armour at all) and naturally I was hiding in a bush, bino's up, cammo net on, waiting for our med's and lights to light up the enemy so I could stuff a 150mm shell through them (I love being top tier in that TD
). A KV-1s took exception to me "camping" and decided to start pushing me forwards. I drove back around him and parked in the bush again; annoying as every nudge re-sets the cammo net and bino's). He kept nudging and calling me a camper, sadly he obviously has no clue how to play an unarmoured TD on an open map like Firey Salient (sp) so he carries on. I report him (as do several others) before turning my gun on him. a KV-1s is one shot fodder for the 150mm, one team kill for me. Still other players refused to report me because he was being a nobber which was nice.The game is full off asshats - sometimes you just have to kill them, even if they are on your team (warn them first, then its obvious if it does get reviewed that it was self-defence).
Reporting a bot is fair enough, though I thought the E75 was a new player given that they had an E75 within an incredibly short space of time.
Difficult to know what to report them for. What do you guys do?
It's the same situation as a new player buying something like a T34 then ending up in a match where they are one of the top tanks.
You can't report that, as WOT allows the tanks to be bought, but it seems that pointing it out can result in dogs abuse about how you're a tomato too, etc.
Difficult to know what to report them for. What do you guys do?
It's the same situation as a new player buying something like a T34 then ending up in a match where they are one of the top tanks.
You can't report that, as WOT allows the tanks to be bought, but it seems that pointing it out can result in dogs abuse about how you're a tomato too, etc.
I guess what you have to consider is what you will achieve by saying something about the guy in that instance. At best you might make him realise that he should stay in lower tiers - but for the battle you are in that will make no difference. It might make them think "I'll show you" and go on to have a good game, but if they just don't know how to then..
More likely outcome is that you will either get abuse back yourself or you start other players also abusing him which makes matters worse.
Unfortunately it's part of the game, anyone can play any tank and the best you can do is try to offer some advice what they should do. They probably won't listen, possible don't even understand or have chat turned off, but any kind of confrontational approach ("you shouldn't be here") is not likely going to have a positive outcome.
In terms of them blocking well if I think it's deliberate then report, but more often it's just cluelessness. Again explaining what they did wrong is probably ultimately better. The reporting system may eventually ban them for an hour / day etc but never explains why, so it's pretty worthless.
More likely outcome is that you will either get abuse back yourself or you start other players also abusing him which makes matters worse.
Unfortunately it's part of the game, anyone can play any tank and the best you can do is try to offer some advice what they should do. They probably won't listen, possible don't even understand or have chat turned off, but any kind of confrontational approach ("you shouldn't be here") is not likely going to have a positive outcome.
In terms of them blocking well if I think it's deliberate then report, but more often it's just cluelessness. Again explaining what they did wrong is probably ultimately better. The reporting system may eventually ban them for an hour / day etc but never explains why, so it's pretty worthless.
bstb3 said:
I guess what you have to consider is what you will achieve by saying something about the guy in that instance. At best you might make him realise that he should stay in lower tiers - but for the battle you are in that will make no difference. It might make them think "I'll show you" and go on to have a good game, but if they just don't know how to then..
More likely outcome is that you will either get abuse back yourself or you start other players also abusing him which makes matters worse.
Unfortunately it's part of the game, anyone can play any tank and the best you can do is try to offer some advice what they should do. They probably won't listen, possible don't even understand or have chat turned off, but any kind of confrontational approach ("you shouldn't be here") is not likely going to have a positive outcome.
In terms of them blocking well if I think it's deliberate then report, but more often it's just cluelessness. Again explaining what they did wrong is probably ultimately better. The reporting system may eventually ban them for an hour / day etc but never explains why, so it's pretty worthless.
I agree, good points.More likely outcome is that you will either get abuse back yourself or you start other players also abusing him which makes matters worse.
Unfortunately it's part of the game, anyone can play any tank and the best you can do is try to offer some advice what they should do. They probably won't listen, possible don't even understand or have chat turned off, but any kind of confrontational approach ("you shouldn't be here") is not likely going to have a positive outcome.
In terms of them blocking well if I think it's deliberate then report, but more often it's just cluelessness. Again explaining what they did wrong is probably ultimately better. The reporting system may eventually ban them for an hour / day etc but never explains why, so it's pretty worthless.
It's probably better not to say anything, but it's infuriating when it happens. Will just have to bite my tongue in future.
I wouldn't call out a bad player. I try to tell myself they may just be inexperienced, small kids, using a touchpad etc. and that I shouldn't take it so seriously. It can be hard though. There was a guy that Quickybaby & Jingles were taking the piss out of on a live stream and it turned out he only had one arm. Since then, they're more careful what they say about other players.
I was playing World of Warships once when a player on my side openly said at the start that he had stage 3 Parkinson's (physical impairment) and his wife had bought him the premium ship (so he could get in on the closed beta). He was asking question about what sort of ships would be best for him to play. I advised him to stick to battleships or cruisers where the slower pace is perhaps more suited and stay away from destroyers. Kinda sobering really.
Win 8 is a rough indication of how much a player contributes. Personally I think that if you play OK, the Win8 will look after itself. I really couldn't care less about padding it.
The modpack I'm using at the moment (Anfield's) has the Win 8 of each player above their tank. I know that if it's high I need to give them more respect. If it's something like 200, I can usually take diabolical liberties with them.
Honestly, the difference between say an average 47% win rate player and one at 50%+ is awareness. Everyone tunnel visions when the going gets tough to some extent, but the very best players still maintain a part of their brain on their surroundings. If you ever watch a really good player on Twitch they're constantly thinking tactically.
46% and below players have horrible awareness. They'll happily watch someone come round & shoot you up the arse instead of having your back. So you have to be aware of who your 'friends' are too. Sub 50% players will also sit impassively when you push instead of backing your play. Both of these wind me up more than anything.
During the countdown, I can look at the enemy team line up and judge by the players and what tanks there are, who is likely to do what. I can usually predict who'll make a dash for a hill for example. That means I'm ready for them before I even see them and can get my shot in first.
As for capping. I don't usually bother unless it makes sense or the action is too far away for me to get there in time. If I'm capping and am asked to stop, I will move out if I think it's tactically OK to do so.
I'd much rather go & chase down the last bit of damage and kills for more XP. You get so few points for capping that it's not worth it, plus I have that medal for base capture points already. It's very annoying when we've clearly won the game and some people still feel the need to cap. Like I always say though, noobs gotta cap. I can almost guarantee that it'll be the lower ranked players that'll be the ones capping, even when they should be coming to help out their team.
I don't need an XVM prediction to see that we'll likely win or lose a game. I can see by the distribution of players. If my team has the majority of below average players then we'll likely lose & vice versa. They usually die first and fast, contributing little. If there's one change I'd like to see, it'd be a more even distribution of players.
I was playing World of Warships once when a player on my side openly said at the start that he had stage 3 Parkinson's (physical impairment) and his wife had bought him the premium ship (so he could get in on the closed beta). He was asking question about what sort of ships would be best for him to play. I advised him to stick to battleships or cruisers where the slower pace is perhaps more suited and stay away from destroyers. Kinda sobering really.
Win 8 is a rough indication of how much a player contributes. Personally I think that if you play OK, the Win8 will look after itself. I really couldn't care less about padding it.
The modpack I'm using at the moment (Anfield's) has the Win 8 of each player above their tank. I know that if it's high I need to give them more respect. If it's something like 200, I can usually take diabolical liberties with them.
Honestly, the difference between say an average 47% win rate player and one at 50%+ is awareness. Everyone tunnel visions when the going gets tough to some extent, but the very best players still maintain a part of their brain on their surroundings. If you ever watch a really good player on Twitch they're constantly thinking tactically.
46% and below players have horrible awareness. They'll happily watch someone come round & shoot you up the arse instead of having your back. So you have to be aware of who your 'friends' are too. Sub 50% players will also sit impassively when you push instead of backing your play. Both of these wind me up more than anything.
During the countdown, I can look at the enemy team line up and judge by the players and what tanks there are, who is likely to do what. I can usually predict who'll make a dash for a hill for example. That means I'm ready for them before I even see them and can get my shot in first.
As for capping. I don't usually bother unless it makes sense or the action is too far away for me to get there in time. If I'm capping and am asked to stop, I will move out if I think it's tactically OK to do so.
I'd much rather go & chase down the last bit of damage and kills for more XP. You get so few points for capping that it's not worth it, plus I have that medal for base capture points already. It's very annoying when we've clearly won the game and some people still feel the need to cap. Like I always say though, noobs gotta cap. I can almost guarantee that it'll be the lower ranked players that'll be the ones capping, even when they should be coming to help out their team.
I don't need an XVM prediction to see that we'll likely win or lose a game. I can see by the distribution of players. If my team has the majority of below average players then we'll likely lose & vice versa. They usually die first and fast, contributing little. If there's one change I'd like to see, it'd be a more even distribution of players.
Beati Dogu said:
I was playing World of Warships once when a player on my side openly said at the start that he had stage 3 Parkinson's (physical impairment) and his wife had bought him the premium ship (so he could get in on the closed beta). He was asking question about what sort of ships would be best for him to play. I advised him to stick to battleships or cruisers where the slower pace is perhaps more suited and stay away from destroyers. Kinda sobering really.
Man, those feels. 
With regards to capping, I cap when I think it's the best option for securing a win. I'd rather "KILL ALL", as the meme goes, but I'll take the flag if I think that continuing to hunt and kill the enemy could see us having a loss, whether that's because we're outnumbered, don't have enough powerful tanks and the enemy have lots, me and my platoon are one-shots etc or most often because not capping first will allow the enemy to cap us. So many games seem to play with a rotation of tanks across the map, you win one flank, lose another with a large number of players engaging in this clockwise or anti-clockwise run around the map. I've lost count of the number of times I've crushed a flank and reached the enemy cap only to have 5 or 6 reds do exactly the same and arrive at my cap at roughly the same time.
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