World of Tanks (Vol 2)
Discussion
MKnight702 said:
I just Googled WOT aimbot and the number of hacks that came up were frightening.
This may explain some of my recent games where I get one shot killed without being spotted..... I hate cheats more than I can put into words.
Yep, funny how those long shots always hit that crew member repeatedly egh ?This may explain some of my recent games where I get one shot killed without being spotted..... I hate cheats more than I can put into words.
Forget anything over tier 7 and just have more fun and less stress (use more skill) at lower levels...remember it is ALL about trying to get you to spend real money....I have spent ZERO in 3+ years and have millions "in the bank" when I wish to take out by Cent and Cent-X
Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 12th January 13:48
Not played for a long time but still visit Twitch and watch a couple of talented guys, Circon and my fav Orzanel.
This was his last game yesterday at 8.17 on the stream, great carry worth a watch.
https://www.twitch.tv/orzanel/v/113999335
This was his last game yesterday at 8.17 on the stream, great carry worth a watch.
https://www.twitch.tv/orzanel/v/113999335
Aim bot info....
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/10/07/of-world-of-tan...
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/10/07/of-world-of-tan...
Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 12th January 16:05
tl dr: WG has bigger fish to fry, get rid of mods overall and there are worse cheats than aimbots which ought to be dealt with first. Cheaters are asshats who will probably just find other ways to fail in any case.
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WG have recently had a couple of ban waves across their servers for illegal mod usage. They claim to have affected a large number, though overall small proportion, of active players. While its good they are doing this, there are bigger game breaking factors that need their attention first I think - MM issues, tank balancing, prem ammo etc.
Given that there are people who will always abuse mods, I think now the simplest thing to do would be to do away with all modding for the game. It's a shame we wouldn't have nice things like enhanced UI's and sounds as a result, but its a price worth paying (and if it stops in game stats abuse then even better).
The biggest cheat for me would be giving already competent players more knowledge about locations and enemy movements in advance (seeing outlines through walls, permanent map indications). That's game breaking - knowing in advance and able to properly plan / prepare gives a massive advantage, especially in clan war type situations.
Without that knowledge aiming help is not such a big deal really. It's pretty much something everyone should be able to do without a cheat anyway, especially at high tiers. The aiming cheats cant do away with the aim time & 25% rng / dispersion factor, so aside from maybe putting the crosshair over the appropriate spot they aren't helping much else.
If there are people who haven't mastered that yet at top tiers, well the chances are there are more important facets of the game they are lacking too (armour use, situational awareness, map tactics, ammo types etc). While an aimbot gives them a better chance to hit things, they are likely to get their pants pulled down due to those other factors anyway.
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WG have recently had a couple of ban waves across their servers for illegal mod usage. They claim to have affected a large number, though overall small proportion, of active players. While its good they are doing this, there are bigger game breaking factors that need their attention first I think - MM issues, tank balancing, prem ammo etc.
Given that there are people who will always abuse mods, I think now the simplest thing to do would be to do away with all modding for the game. It's a shame we wouldn't have nice things like enhanced UI's and sounds as a result, but its a price worth paying (and if it stops in game stats abuse then even better).
The biggest cheat for me would be giving already competent players more knowledge about locations and enemy movements in advance (seeing outlines through walls, permanent map indications). That's game breaking - knowing in advance and able to properly plan / prepare gives a massive advantage, especially in clan war type situations.
Without that knowledge aiming help is not such a big deal really. It's pretty much something everyone should be able to do without a cheat anyway, especially at high tiers. The aiming cheats cant do away with the aim time & 25% rng / dispersion factor, so aside from maybe putting the crosshair over the appropriate spot they aren't helping much else.
If there are people who haven't mastered that yet at top tiers, well the chances are there are more important facets of the game they are lacking too (armour use, situational awareness, map tactics, ammo types etc). While an aimbot gives them a better chance to hit things, they are likely to get their pants pulled down due to those other factors anyway.
s2000db said:
Why is premium ammo a problem?
Everyone can use it, and it doesn't cost 'actual' money???
Because it unbalances many tanks. The concept isn't an issue, just the execution (which to a degree is forced by poor map design).Everyone can use it, and it doesn't cost 'actual' money???
For example:
a T-54 is a mobile medium tank with decent armour and good dpm. To offset that it's standard pen is low for a tier 9 - it's meant to flank heavy armour and fight only medium to soft targets frontally.
A Type 4 Heavy is a heavily armoured bunker of a tank that should be hard to kill. It's balanced by poor mobility and low DPM.
Without prem ammo the two are balanced - each having advantages the other has to overcome.
But with prem ammo The T-54 can use it to overcome his low pen disadvantage while still keeping his advantages. The Type can, as you say, also use premium ammo but that doesn't give him any additional help whatsoever -he would already pen his shots. His problem is mobility.
So the balance is broken - and that's the issue. If it was limited, or did less damage to reduce overall DPM then it might be better. Or if there was a similar consumable that could boost the Type 4 mobility /armor to offset it. But there isn't - hence it's a problem.
Now the T-54 might say he can't flank because corridor maps - and that's true, but that's an issue of map design and shouldn't just be "press 2 twice" instead. That's just lazy WG (and an incentive to keep prem accounts..)
DO NOT make the mistake with the in game Auto Aim, Aim Bots are VERY VERY different to that system. Yhey lead, they take weak spots, the shoot out of range etc etc...
I agree...remove all mods. However, WarGaming owns the largest mod provider....
It is a massively corrupt company based in Northern Cyprus and will never get money from me:
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I agree...remove all mods. However, WarGaming owns the largest mod provider....
It is a massively corrupt company based in Northern Cyprus and will never get money from me:
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Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 12th January 17:27
Lol it's always scary how much Serb looks like me in that picture...
Anyway, yes I'm not mistaking it with the ingame system (which is a bit pants, always aiming centre mass..) but with the exception of the shooting out of range my point is pretty much people in high tiers ought to be able to do it without the cheat anyway. I expect to get shot in the open at high tiers if spotted, rather than rely on people missing
But we both agree I think it's unlikely WG will do the obvious (although I go greedy over corrupt, not that there is such a huge difference).
Anyway, yes I'm not mistaking it with the ingame system (which is a bit pants, always aiming centre mass..) but with the exception of the shooting out of range my point is pretty much people in high tiers ought to be able to do it without the cheat anyway. I expect to get shot in the open at high tiers if spotted, rather than rely on people missing
But we both agree I think it's unlikely WG will do the obvious (although I go greedy over corrupt, not that there is such a huge difference).
I agree with btsb3, if someone needs an aimbot at high tiers because they can't aim, can't lead shots and don't know where weakspots and modules are then more than likely they are trash and and aimbot isn't going to help out much since most other tier X players can aim at a bare minimum even if their other abilities are poor.
With regard to giving WG money, I've had so many thousands of hours of fun from the game I don't mind chucking a few quid at them. Yes, some of the stuff they sell is a total rip off, such as the recent £100 for a Panzer IV Hydro, but given the amount of time I've played vs what I spend, it still works out as very good value for money for me.
With regard to giving WG money, I've had so many thousands of hours of fun from the game I don't mind chucking a few quid at them. Yes, some of the stuff they sell is a total rip off, such as the recent £100 for a Panzer IV Hydro, but given the amount of time I've played vs what I spend, it still works out as very good value for money for me.
Mastodon2 said:
With regard to giving WG money, I've had so many thousands of hours of fun from the game I don't mind chucking a few quid at them. Yes, some of the stuff they sell is a total rip off, such as the recent £100 for a Panzer IV Hydro, but given the amount of time I've played vs what I spend, it still works out as very good value for money for me.
Same here.Also, without WOT I would have never met all my friends in the clan I joined. As a result of that I had a lovely few days in Maastricht visiting a few of them.
Aside from the rage at crap games, it's been brilliant.
WildCards said:
Just bought the Matilda, only two battles in but it seems alright, needs some packages though, base pen isn't great is it?
Not sure on the xbox but on the PC fully upgraded and with the right modules (rammer etc) its a machine gun with great pen thats almost untouchable to same tier or lower. Hang back and snipe if bottom tier. RobDickinson said:
Not sure on the xbox but on the PC fully upgraded and with the right modules (rammer etc) its a machine gun with great pen thats almost untouchable to same tier or lower. Hang back and snipe if bottom tier.
It will also climb hills/ground without slowing, spins on a penny and the turret out turns a Pz1...Stickyfinger said:
Yep, funny how those long shots always hit that crew member repeatedly egh ?
Forget anything over tier 7 and just have more fun and less stress (use more skill) at lower levels...remember it is ALL about trying to get you to spend real money....I have spent ZERO in 3+ years and have millions "in the bank" when I wish to take out by Cent and Cent-X
It's not just the higher tiers unfortunately, in my Hellcat last night I managed to get one shot killed through a castle wall.Forget anything over tier 7 and just have more fun and less stress (use more skill) at lower levels...remember it is ALL about trying to get you to spend real money....I have spent ZERO in 3+ years and have millions "in the bank" when I wish to take out by Cent and Cent-X
Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 12th January 13:48
Several days in, the Type 4 Heavy, much like the rest of the Japanese heavy line, is a total mixed bag - standard for any super heavy tank imo.
In a good match, on a good map, it can be devastating. In an urban fight, or using it's gun depression over short to medium range ridge engagements, it's very strong. On an open, flat-ish map it can be next to useless. I face-hugged a VK45.02B to death the other day, blocking his shots with my gun and shooting him in the cupola at will with my enormous height and gun depression. I just backed him into a wall and he was finished. I did the same trick to an IS-7, who could not hit my corner plates or penetrate my angled mid-plate, whereas I could smash his cupolas shot after shot. I routinely pull over 5000 damage blocked per game, so the armour does work until the premium rounds start flying.
The biggest problem with this tank for me so far is the terribly weak ammo rack. I really feel like this tank has very low ammo rack module health (I may be able to look it up somewhere in game actually, we have a 3D module viewer on the console), one shot from anything to my side or corner plate and the ammo rack is damaged, reload drops to 34 seconds. As soon as I repair it, it gets damaged again.
As I've said previously, super heavies should be death-proof, at least from the front. They're not hard to outplay on most maps, but when their strength is the armour and the everyone can just dab the 2 key to negate that, you're not left with much, players shouldn't just be able to penetrate the front of a super heavy at will.
The armour profile of the Type X heavies doesn't help, the front drivers hatch panel is flat which makes it vulnerable to HEAT, I'd like to see a spaced armour bar over the front to stop medium HEAT spam, the corner plates buffed, the ammo rack health buffed and the racks moved away from the cheeks of the tank. I actually like the gun, although it's infuriating to miss or bounce when you only fire 3 rounds a minute and the low shell velocity makes leading targets a pain. I don't have the Type 5 yet, but I'd wager the Maus is harder to kill, if he angles his hull and turret then good luck with your HEAT! I think the terrible mobility is fair, maybe a slight buff to top speed would be nice but you have to have balance.
I'm interested to see how WG deal with the guns, as they said they wanted to take the Type X heavies to the high explosive ammo gameplay the lower tier Jap heavies are known for. Maybe some sort of HESH round with a big alpha buff, a fantasy experimental high explosive compound that allows alpha damage beyond the normal range for the calibre of the gun.
Still, despite the annoyances, I still very much enjoy playing these big Japanese blocks, stats be damned. If I want stats I'll roll my STB-1!
In a good match, on a good map, it can be devastating. In an urban fight, or using it's gun depression over short to medium range ridge engagements, it's very strong. On an open, flat-ish map it can be next to useless. I face-hugged a VK45.02B to death the other day, blocking his shots with my gun and shooting him in the cupola at will with my enormous height and gun depression. I just backed him into a wall and he was finished. I did the same trick to an IS-7, who could not hit my corner plates or penetrate my angled mid-plate, whereas I could smash his cupolas shot after shot. I routinely pull over 5000 damage blocked per game, so the armour does work until the premium rounds start flying.
The biggest problem with this tank for me so far is the terribly weak ammo rack. I really feel like this tank has very low ammo rack module health (I may be able to look it up somewhere in game actually, we have a 3D module viewer on the console), one shot from anything to my side or corner plate and the ammo rack is damaged, reload drops to 34 seconds. As soon as I repair it, it gets damaged again.
As I've said previously, super heavies should be death-proof, at least from the front. They're not hard to outplay on most maps, but when their strength is the armour and the everyone can just dab the 2 key to negate that, you're not left with much, players shouldn't just be able to penetrate the front of a super heavy at will.
The armour profile of the Type X heavies doesn't help, the front drivers hatch panel is flat which makes it vulnerable to HEAT, I'd like to see a spaced armour bar over the front to stop medium HEAT spam, the corner plates buffed, the ammo rack health buffed and the racks moved away from the cheeks of the tank. I actually like the gun, although it's infuriating to miss or bounce when you only fire 3 rounds a minute and the low shell velocity makes leading targets a pain. I don't have the Type 5 yet, but I'd wager the Maus is harder to kill, if he angles his hull and turret then good luck with your HEAT! I think the terrible mobility is fair, maybe a slight buff to top speed would be nice but you have to have balance.
I'm interested to see how WG deal with the guns, as they said they wanted to take the Type X heavies to the high explosive ammo gameplay the lower tier Jap heavies are known for. Maybe some sort of HESH round with a big alpha buff, a fantasy experimental high explosive compound that allows alpha damage beyond the normal range for the calibre of the gun.
Still, despite the annoyances, I still very much enjoy playing these big Japanese blocks, stats be damned. If I want stats I'll roll my STB-1!
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