World of Tanks (Vol 2)

[tonyb1968]

Am I the only one getting really annoyed with this game now?
Had the T28 Prot out, first time since I bought her over a month and a half ago, so first game on 9.17.1, speed boost is nice, teams totally sucked, think it has to do with the T25 Pilot missions, wasnt fun at all.

So my thoughts on the T28 Prot is that its not bad, can bounce shells if the front is angled, armour isnt as effective as it use to be, too many high pen guns and stupidly armoured tanks (inc premiums) that even the 248mm AP rounds cant pen (T8) from the front and the gun whilst good and quick loading, still isnt the most accurate.

Things I didnt like, being penned at over 350+m by a Defender into the cheek of the turret, like wtf?! Yes its a weak spot but a Russian 122mm that is accurate at range on a heavy tank?!!! I would have problems hitting weak spots at that range.
Got to my 8th game, had lost 6 and drawn 1, game 8 T10, bottom tier again, rattled off just under 5k damage before dying, no premium required, just aiming for the weak spots on an E75, M103 and T-10, easier to pen than a Defender from the front!!

Also died in another game so followed a T34 on our team, same 120mm gun on Siegfried line, pretty sure he was using an aim bot on the enemy the way he was following an enemy scout who was swerving all over the place and still tracking him (3rd person view).

Having a look at some of the youtubers, looks like WG's attempts to stop aim bots are not working very well, said youtuber noticed a reply sent to him and thought it looked funny from 3rd person view, was verified and the guy got a ban, not a total ban just a small one, like if you want to stop this sort of stuff then you need to BAN them permanently and not pussy foot around.

Hoping the rest of this week will be better, 21 games and a 28.7% WR on the Prot with an average 1550 damage and then 27 more games and a 51.8% WR still has me 3% down on my 54% overall WR, need to go buy a Skorpion I think or wait till the Defender comes back on sale I do wish WG will stop making the premiums stupidly well armoured with good gun penetration, they were never meant to be like that, always more balanced with either armour or a good gun, not both.

[RobDickinson]

I really liked the t28prot before the recent changes. Very very slow so you had to move with surety, ended up so many situations where you had no impact or the dreaded last stand.

But now...

yeah plethora of t8 prems and op 9/10's is making the game unplayable in much else.

was grinding my t-43 tier 7 russian med yesterday and ffs what a disaster. still 53% wr but so many tier 8 or 9 games and 5-6+ of the recent prems to fight, could hardly pen st even with '2 to win' ammo.

How come it takes me longer to aim and its harder to hit weakspots (in a russian med) than the defenders derpy 122mm that seems to be able to blat me every time.

Sure it has 2pixels of cupola I could aim for..

WG have basically broken the game tiers 6-8 or pay to win. even 9 and 10 you need credits to run.

[RobDickinson]

I have a 46% WR on my scorpion.


It can dish out damage, and zip around. But cant really carry hard and gets nuked shortly after being spotted

[tonyb1968]

I have the T-43 and the KV-13, same gun but slightly better handling on the kv-13 but the T-43 has better depression, the pen is pathetic in today's game, 144mm on standard AP, it cant pen sod all now, the corridor maps force you to face heavy tanks head on, you just cant do that but yes, the game is broken at T6 & 7 now which is a shame as I love playing T6 & 7 but you use to at least have a chance of penetrating most T8's, but now with the Pay 2 Win tanks....

[bstb3]

Benbay001 said:

Haha! how do i get in?

www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/benbay001/534494122/

Only just seen this, hopefully you are sorted clanwise now. The PH clan VBRJ is really just a good way to get a PH Smiley on your tank . Nice bunch of lads and can sometimes find platoons, but if you are looking for Clan wars & strongholds etc then the clan isn't active at all in those areas (probably doesn't have enough concurrently online members to be able to be so). Happy to invite you in, just pop a post on here if you're still interested.

Regarding the prems I agree, things are getting out of hand. It's understandable from a business POV, not enough people would be spending cash to by mediocre prem's so they have to keep making them attractive. It's breaking the balance though, now. It used to be a prem was worse than an elited tier 8, then roughly equal, but the latest tranche in the last year or so have been a step to far and they really need to stop with that approach else they will end up in P2W problems and turning people off.

I really couldn't get on with the T28 Prot. It was just far to slow for me, but the recent buff might have helped. I can say that the T30 is an absolute beast though with the top gun. Ground through the recent marathon with it and actually quite enjoyed it - no worries about Obj 252U's when you have 276 pen

[IroningMan]

Mastodon2 said:

IroningMan said:

It's not a sim, but I don't have any interest in machines which offer wholly impossible combinations of firepower, armour and mobility.

Interesting, I still can't understand why you're playing a game so strongly rooted in an idealised fantasy version of tank combat. When playing the "real life" tanks (presumably in the stock variants, like most of them saw service in real life), do you sometimes stop dead in the open, to simulate random mechanical failure? Tanks were not terribly reliable in the era depicted in this game, obviously.

Either way, I hope I see you on the battlefield - are you on console or PC? I'd quite like to drive my JPE-100 over your Tiger

PC but alas I don't have a Tiger for you to squash - Tier 6 is where I stop and even then a lot of games are a waste of time as Tiers 7 & 8 are overrun with paper tanks.

Tier 5 seems like the sweet spot - Crusader is fun.

With a mean battlefield survival time of around four minutes I'm willing to accept a reduced incidence of mechanical failure - even on British tanks...

[IroningMan]

bstb3 said:

IroningMan said:

It's not a sim, but I don't have any interest in machines which offer wholly impossible combinations of firepower, armour and mobility.

It sounds like you would have enjoyed the historical battle mode that was trialled a few years ago on PC. It ignored the battle tier of tanks, and instead tried to match up tanks on the basis of what they would have encountered in real battles. For example stock Tiger vs T-34 & Su76 etc. Unfortunately it wasn't a success -queue times were very long, partly due to people not wanting to play the lower powered vehicles. They have hinted they want to bring something similar back, but who knows if they will ever manage it.

Also good on you for wanting to play the game your way, rather than being caught up into the perennial rat race to the next OP tank to be released.

That sounds interesting - I suspect they'd be short of paying customers, though.

[FunkyNige]

IroningMan said:

It's not a sim, but I don't have any interest in machines which offer wholly impossible combinations of firepower, armour and mobility.

Have you tried the game WarThunder? There are fewer blueprint/prototype tanks and it's a little bit more realistic, ie. you need to knock out all modules to kill a tank instead of taking off hitpoints, you can fire all the guns on the tank, there's a realistic mode to take the nametags off, etc. It has its own set of complaints (small playerbase, absurd grind to the next tank at later levels, guided missiles(!) shooting at a Maus, etc.) but the lower tier tanks are fun and you get to use 4 in a single game.

[Gren]

bstb3 said:

Only just seen this, hopefully you are sorted clanwise now. The PH clan VBRJ is really just a good way to get a PH Smiley on your tank . Nice bunch of lads and can sometimes find platoons, but if you are looking for Clan wars & strongholds etc then the clan isn't active at all in those areas (probably doesn't have enough concurrently online members to be able to be so). Happy to invite you in, just pop a post on here if you're still interested.

Sounds like my kind of clan too as I play fairly sporadically and casually - not interested in Clan Wars as I just login in when I have some spare time. Pretty average player but if you'll have me then my login is below :

http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/grenww/53563254...

[bstb3]

Gren said:

Sounds like my kind of clan too as I play fairly sporadically and casually - not interested in Clan Wars as I just login in when I have some spare time. Pretty average player but if you'll have me then my login is below :

http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/grenww/53563254...

Ok, happy to have you onboard. I've popped an invite to you in game, think you have to look for it on the account management somewhere.

[s p a c e m a n]

Tanks on the moon

[Gren]

bstb3 said:

Gren said:

Sounds like my kind of clan too as I play fairly sporadically and casually - not interested in Clan Wars as I just login in when I have some spare time. Pretty average player but if you'll have me then my login is below :

http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/grenww/53563254...

Ok, happy to have you onboard. I've popped an invite to you in game, think you have to look for it on the account management somewhere.

Thanks - joined up. Looking forward to screaming VBRJ as I rain death on an arty!

[bstb3]

Gren said:

Thanks - joined up. Looking forward to screaming VBRJ as I rain death on an arty!

Good stuff.

[Benbay001]

bstb3 said:

Only just seen this, hopefully you are sorted clanwise now. The PH clan VBRJ is really just a good way to get a PH Smiley on your tank . Nice bunch of lads and can sometimes find platoons, but if you are looking for Clan wars & strongholds etc then the clan isn't active at all in those areas (probably doesn't have enough concurrently online members to be able to be so). Happy to invite you in, just pop a post on here if you're still interested.

Regarding the prems I agree, things are getting out of hand. It's understandable from a business POV, not enough people would be spending cash to by mediocre prem's so they have to keep making them attractive. It's breaking the balance though, now. It used to be a prem was worse than an elited tier 8, then roughly equal, but the latest tranche in the last year or so have been a step to far and they really need to stop with that approach else they will end up in P2W problems and turning people off.

I really couldn't get on with the T28 Prot. It was just far to slow for me, but the recent buff might have helped. I can say that the T30 is an absolute beast though with the top gun. Ground through the recent marathon with it and actually quite enjoyed it - no worries about Obj 252U's when you have 276 pen

Still interested. Im benbay001 on WOT too.

[tonyb1968]

I have to say that when I get a decent team I actually like the T28 Prot.

Its got workable armour from range, you can angle it enough to even bounce rounds off the side of your tank, its still a slug slow thing though with a really bad rotational speed so everything has to be shot at range.

The gun has a life of its own, its not BL-10 bad as you can actually aim at things and hit but you have to let it aim for it to get near, BL-10, point/snapshot with no difficulties, its only when you aim with that gun that it sucks.

So far its the tank that seems to give me the best damage, im not a great medium tank player and the down side to the T28 Prot is the fact that you can take so long getting anywhere that half your team could be dead before you even encounter your first enemy.

Did have one game on Himmelsdorf on the banana road (north) against a few enemy tanks (Hellcat, IS-3 and Obj 252U), killed all 3 of them but by that time the team had crumbled and my 4k+ damage had gone to waste

I feel the T30 may be a more exciting tank to play, its faster for a start and even though the frontal armour may not be as good as the T28 Prots, the turret is far more reliable at bouncing rounds.

So far I still think that the T67 is the best from T5 up to T8, the M18 Hellcat isnt the td it use to be and is too sluggish going backwards and the gun handling can be so so.
The T25/2 is just pure bad for its tier, it gains 10mm of pen, even though the gun is nice and so are the apcr rounds, its ineffective against a vast majority of new tanks without resorting to premium ammo (at T7) and is suffering badly with power creep.
A buff of 20mm to the gun is desperately needed on standard ammo for it to become remotely playable as a sniper and the T28 Prot gets that better gun (with 78mm more pen on the top gun) but loses out on its mobility.

My overall view, good TD but very situational.

[RobDickinson]

I dislike the t30. really should be a ht.

Huge reload long aim times.

not played the 28p since the speed increase but the t30 isnt quick.

I actually have a reasonable result in the t30 but I shifted the crew back to t67 for more fun

[bstb3]

RobDickinson said:

I dislike the t30. really should be a ht.

Huge reload long aim times.

not played the 28p since the speed increase but the t30 isnt quick.

I actually have a reasonable result in the t30 but I shifted the crew back to t67 for more fun

I think the T30 used to be a HT in the early days of the game, at tier 10 IIRC. Long before my time, but I guess it was switched to pad out the TD line. It does make a logical progression from the T32 and T29 in play style, probably why I liked it, but it would be hard work being expected to face it up against E75's and the like with its terrible hull.

I tended to play it more like a heavy when maps allowed for abusing the gun depression / hull down capabilities, then more support when not. Funnily enough first time round playing it I hated it, just couldn't get on with it, then when I bought it back as top of the tree it seemed to click. Don't think it was buffed in anyway in the meantime, but you never know.

Benbay - I'll zap you an invite next time I'm online in the game but it might a few days or so

[RobDickinson]

Its still sat in my garage I'll shift the crew back to finish grinding out the e4 sometime

[BigMon]

RobDickinson said:

I dislike the t30. really should be a ht.

Huge reload long aim times.

not played the 28p since the speed increase but the t30 isnt quick.

I actually have a reasonable result in the t30 but I shifted the crew back to t67 for more fun

I'd agree with you on this. It's a very situational tank due to that massive reload (around 17 seconds IIRC).

Plus, although it does massive damage when it penetrates, it does bounce a surprising amount.

I think the 704 is much better at that tier TBH.

[simo1863]

play pretty casually on the xbone (have 4 tier VIIIs but never got any higher) and just wanted to contribute.

Ever since I saw the pancake/frying pan/Obj 416 I thought I had to have it and now (after 12 months of casual grinding!.... maybe I gave up a few times in the A-43 and A-44) I've finally got it......... and it's awkward.

Early thoughts after fully researching it;

- Armour is terrible, you get the odd glancing bounce off the turret but, by and large, it gets penned constantly when hit.
- Practically no gun depression and only a 75 degree traverse make it difficult to line up shots.
- lots of engine fires.

+ It's so tiny and low. I really didn't know what to expect in my first game but the first four shots at me all sailed over and I've not laughed in WoT as much as when I rolled up next to an O-I and it couldn't depress it's gun low enough to shoot me.
+ It's pretty quick.
+ Gun seems very strong with an acceptable reload.
+ Camo on it is great.

It seems similar the the A-44 (which I hated but grew to like a bit more toward the end) in that it's an unconventional medium, but it seems even more so, in that I seem to end up playing it mostly like a TD or occasionally like a Scout.

Makes a nice change from brawling in the IS-3 or using the traditional mediums like the Pershing or Centurion but it has a learning curve to it.