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Happily, I'm now past the stage where I need any gear from the raid. I have 3 x lvl 32 characters without swapping armour and 2 x raid helmets (a second Hunter helmet would be nice but, not essential). I have all the raid weapons apart from the nechrocrapism so I'm really only raiding for shards, energies and for fun.
I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
Nightfalls seem to give me utter rubbish (11 x ascendant shards and some legendary fusion rifle that I'll never use so far this week).
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
Nightfalls seem to give me utter rubbish (11 x ascendant shards and some legendary fusion rifle that I'll never use so far this week).
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
Speckle said:
Happily, I'm now past the stage where I need any gear from the raid. I have 3 x lvl 32 characters without swapping armour and 2 x raid helmets (a second Hunter helmet would be nice but, not essential). I have all the raid weapons apart from the nechrocrapism so I'm really only raiding for shards, energies and for fun.
I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
Nightfalls seem to give me utter rubbish (11 x ascendant shards and some legendary fusion rifle that I'll never use so far this week).
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Speckle. I got Shards and weapons that got instantly scrapped from my nightfalls. The only weapon I don't have that I want is Gjallarhorn. 2 dropped in our Crota normal last night but unfortunately I wasn't a recipient. Apart from Raids, weeklys & nightfalls I have no reason to play.I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
Nightfalls seem to give me utter rubbish (11 x ascendant shards and some legendary fusion rifle that I'll never use so far this week).
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
Speckle said:
I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
You might have a bit of a wait as HoW looks like it is going to be delayed from march to May, not sure if I can keep interest in the game that long.The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
Speckle said:
Happily, I'm now past the stage where I need any gear from the raid. I have 3 x lvl 32 characters without swapping armour and 2 x raid helmets (a second Hunter helmet would be nice but, not essential). I have all the raid weapons apart from the nechrocrapism so I'm really only raiding for shards, energies and for fun.
I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
Nightfalls seem to give me utter rubbish (11 x ascendant shards and some legendary fusion rifle that I'll never use so far this week).
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
A ha! Looks like my prediction (back on 11th December) was more accurate than yours!I'm getting to the point now where I'm just killing time (and aliens), waiting for the HoW to land. Can't be bothered to run bounties to upgrade weapons anymore as all the weapons I like to use are already maxed.
Nightfalls seem to give me utter rubbish (11 x ascendant shards and some legendary fusion rifle that I'll never use so far this week).
The repetition is finally starting to grate a little if I'm honest...
(Let's hope Bungie sorts out the progression ladder with HoW)
Speckle said:
youngsyr said:
That's great, Speckle - I'm jealous of you guys being able to do the new strikes and Raid, but consider where you'll be in mid-February.
You'll have no doubt completed the new Raid a few dozen times, including hard mode and will have pretty much all of the new Raid gear and maxed out the weapons.
You'll still be doing the same old Nightfall and Weekly strikes that you've done dozens of times before.
At that point, what will you be playing for? You'll have a month left before the new DLC and will have a maxed set of weapons and armour. If you're like me, the underlying aim of your gaming time will be to max out your spare weapons and armour, just to add some direction whilst you have fun.
I hope that Destiny then doesn't turn around and screw you by making better weapons and armour than the stuff you've spent weeks upgrading available to buy in the Tower or by making it so that you have to reset all that progress to zero and start levelling your weapons again to take them to the new level cap.
For me, that ruins the gaming experience, it makes it pointless to bother levelling up gear, which takes away the point of me logging on to play the game at times when none of my friends are on.
It's not just Destiny that I feel let down by though - I went back to BF4 last night after a 3 month break and it was truly terrible and that game has been out for over a year. Laggy as hell and still full of glitches. It's absolutely disgraceful how DICE has treated its customers.
To be honest, I'll probably be a level 31, desperately trying to get my last bit of raid armour to make 32 and I'll have a vault full of weapons that I can't be bothered to max out because all my favourite 'go to' guns are maxed already. So, pretty much the position I was in a week ago.You'll have no doubt completed the new Raid a few dozen times, including hard mode and will have pretty much all of the new Raid gear and maxed out the weapons.
You'll still be doing the same old Nightfall and Weekly strikes that you've done dozens of times before.
At that point, what will you be playing for? You'll have a month left before the new DLC and will have a maxed set of weapons and armour. If you're like me, the underlying aim of your gaming time will be to max out your spare weapons and armour, just to add some direction whilst you have fun.
I hope that Destiny then doesn't turn around and screw you by making better weapons and armour than the stuff you've spent weeks upgrading available to buy in the Tower or by making it so that you have to reset all that progress to zero and start levelling your weapons again to take them to the new level cap.
For me, that ruins the gaming experience, it makes it pointless to bother levelling up gear, which takes away the point of me logging on to play the game at times when none of my friends are on.
It's not just Destiny that I feel let down by though - I went back to BF4 last night after a 3 month break and it was truly terrible and that game has been out for over a year. Laggy as hell and still full of glitches. It's absolutely disgraceful how DICE has treated its customers.
Then, when the new DLC drops, I'll be relieved that I can finally get to 32 and there will once again be lots of new stuff to do and I will still be able to use whichever weapons have become my staple loadout by then!
I honestly don't feel like I've been reset to zero at all. Instead, I feel like I suddenly have all these new goals and things to achieve which are a natural progression from where I was before. How others see me in the world of Destiny doesn't matter to me one bit (ie. as a veteran/experienced player or whatever) so, if we all have the same gear and light level now even though I raided more than some (but, less than others), that is ok by me because there are new levels now to try and achieve before they do
I don't mind doing the same nightfalls and stuff, I still find them a lot of fun. It is the fun I have with my fireteam and party chats that keep me coming back for more and that I hope will continue to do so
youngsyr said:
A ha! Looks like my prediction (back on 11th December) was more accurate than yours!
Lol. Not necessarily - You were right about the armour but, as far as the motivation goes, I've been in this position before and, all it took was a couple of good sessions and decent drops and the momentum picked up again so, we'll see...I think they will sort out the progression, they've practically said as much. The problem they're going to have for now though is, there must be lots of people in my position who have very little left to aim for until HoW. I'm still going to play because it is fun but, I don't feel like I will get left behind or that I am missing an opportunity to acquire something in particular if I miss a few sessions.
In fact, that may actually be a good thing!!
I too now have three level 32 characters and all the weapons I want (if I pretend I don't want Gjallahorn, it may drop for me 
). This week's Nightfall and Weekly were easily solo'able with a little patience and I managed to bag the Crest of Alpha Lupi, Purifier VII Solar Fusion Rifle, 39 strange coins, a legendary helmet engram and a legendary chest engram.
I've started a collection of engrams in my vault for when HoW releases so I can level up the Cryptarch and see what his reward package gives me.
Based on the leaked screenshots, the Vanguard Vendors will be selling level 33 armour items so keep hold of those commendations (I have 20 now) so you can level up more quickly.
Maybe it's time to switch the focus to something more of a challenge and to start attempting the Flawless Raider trophy on the VoG.
). This week's Nightfall and Weekly were easily solo'able with a little patience and I managed to bag the Crest of Alpha Lupi, Purifier VII Solar Fusion Rifle, 39 strange coins, a legendary helmet engram and a legendary chest engram.I've started a collection of engrams in my vault for when HoW releases so I can level up the Cryptarch and see what his reward package gives me.
Based on the leaked screenshots, the Vanguard Vendors will be selling level 33 armour items so keep hold of those commendations (I have 20 now) so you can level up more quickly.
Maybe it's time to switch the focus to something more of a challenge and to start attempting the Flawless Raider trophy on the VoG.
lovechild said:
I had a test run before the reset. On my own so obviously the wizards/shreikers were still active. I shot her with my icebreaker and no hit registered, I then hit here with an armour piercing sniper from the same position and it registered as "immune". I think she can only sustain damage post shrieker kills, but can be shot from anywhere with armour piercers.
My 2 hard mode attempts have been with 2 32s and 4 31s. We managed to get the DS down to a bit less than half on our best attempt, I do see how we could gain a good 20 seconds on the wizard/shreiker section though. Having someone above, ready to shoot her would be beneficial.
You do need to still take down the shriekers so it's not useful IMO, easier just to do her normally.My 2 hard mode attempts have been with 2 32s and 4 31s. We managed to get the DS down to a bit less than half on our best attempt, I do see how we could gain a good 20 seconds on the wizard/shreiker section though. Having someone above, ready to shoot her would be beneficial.
For HM, you don't NEED to be 32, but if you're 31 you need to play to that, take no risks, everything will kill you very quickly. 2 times I've killed Crota have been with 1 31 and then 2 31s (one of them me and I died after the first sword...)
Digitalize said:
lovechild said:
I had a test run before the reset. On my own so obviously the wizards/shreikers were still active. I shot her with my icebreaker and no hit registered, I then hit here with an armour piercing sniper from the same position and it registered as "immune". I think she can only sustain damage post shrieker kills, but can be shot from anywhere with armour piercers.
My 2 hard mode attempts have been with 2 32s and 4 31s. We managed to get the DS down to a bit less than half on our best attempt, I do see how we could gain a good 20 seconds on the wizard/shreiker section though. Having someone above, ready to shoot her would be beneficial.
You do need to still take down the shriekers so it's not useful IMO, easier just to do her normally.My 2 hard mode attempts have been with 2 32s and 4 31s. We managed to get the DS down to a bit less than half on our best attempt, I do see how we could gain a good 20 seconds on the wizard/shreiker section though. Having someone above, ready to shoot her would be beneficial.
For HM, you don't NEED to be 32, but if you're 31 you need to play to that, take no risks, everything will kill you very quickly. 2 times I've killed Crota have been with 1 31 and then 2 31s (one of them me and I died after the first sword...)
dunmow70 said:
Based on the leaked screenshots, the Vanguard Vendors will be selling level 33 armour items so keep hold of those commendations (I have 20 now) so you can level up more quickly.
I don't think they'll make the same mistake twice with vanguard armour.All the stuff that has been leaked (ie. datamined off the disk) has been sitting there since before Destiny launched. Since then, they have seen that the ability to buy your way up to a higher level than the previous raid armour when the DLC dropped was not a popular progression model.
Maybe if vanguard armour became lvl 32 and current raid armour became somehow upgradeable to lvl 33 - there would still be an incentive for anyone at lvl 31 to do the current raid or, they could buy up to lvl 32 and tackle the new DLC content at a slightly lower light level.
youngsyr said:
Do armour piercing rounds penetrate the invisible shields that surround the crystal room - I'm thinking maybe once we've killed the shriekers we retreat to the back of the map and shoot her through the shield?
To be honest Ir Yut is the easiest part and takes literally 2 minutes a go so we haven't really messed around with it.To expand, this is our process.
All this needs to be done as quickly as possible.
2 people get the Wizards out each side, rest run middle.
Kill wizards, 2 people go right and kill shrieker, then run from the death blast back to where Crota spawns, one goes left and does the same.
Wait for death blasts.
All go left and kill anything that can shoot you until liturgy.
When liturgy starts, run in, jump up on to something and blast her.
The quicker you get to killing shooty stuff they more time you have to kill them.
Edited by Digitalize on Wednesday 4th February 13:24
Digitalize said:
lovechild said:
I had a test run before the reset. On my own so obviously the wizards/shreikers were still active. I shot her with my icebreaker and no hit registered, I then hit here with an armour piercing sniper from the same position and it registered as "immune". I think she can only sustain damage post shrieker kills, but can be shot from anywhere with armour piercers.
My 2 hard mode attempts have been with 2 32s and 4 31s. We managed to get the DS down to a bit less than half on our best attempt, I do see how we could gain a good 20 seconds on the wizard/shreiker section though. Having someone above, ready to shoot her would be beneficial.
everything will kill you very quicklyMy 2 hard mode attempts have been with 2 32s and 4 31s. We managed to get the DS down to a bit less than half on our best attempt, I do see how we could gain a good 20 seconds on the wizard/shreiker section though. Having someone above, ready to shoot her would be beneficial.
Not enough heavy ammo was used and after Icebrakering the wizards I think the Black Hammer will be loads more effective. Headshotting the knights is fairly easy rather than chasing the IB's recharge.
We had 3 experienced (CE) raiders, Youngsy and I who are inters and Gray who had only done each section individually on normal. If the same team was to try again, I think we'd have it.
Heavy ammo seems to be a bit of a problem too. Some people don't have any, and I suspect that some people who have already completed and are just there to help, are reluctant to burn through theirs (which is completely understandable).
Gjallahorns, or any decent launcher in the absence of, will always make any given situation easier.
Gjallahorns, or any decent launcher in the absence of, will always make any given situation easier.
lovechild said:
Yes, yes they do
Not enough heavy ammo was used and after Icebrakering the wizards I think the Black Hammer will be loads more effective. Headshotting the knights is fairly easy rather than chasing the IB's recharge.
We had 3 experienced (CE) raiders, Youngsy and I who are inters and Gray who had only done each section individually on normal. If the same team was to try again, I think we'd have it.
When we tried it the other night, the issue was teamwork - we just weren't co-ordinated enough.Not enough heavy ammo was used and after Icebrakering the wizards I think the Black Hammer will be loads more effective. Headshotting the knights is fairly easy rather than chasing the IB's recharge.
We had 3 experienced (CE) raiders, Youngsy and I who are inters and Gray who had only done each section individually on normal. If the same team was to try again, I think we'd have it.
We kept sending two people in on one side to get the wizard, people would run into a room on their own and try to take out the shrieker etc.
We've beaten it much easier with weaker teams when doing it with Speckle's usual team who all know what to do and when.
Jme1990 said:
Odd one here but I was using the ice breaker on the nightfall strike last night dealing 20000 damage with a precision hit. Then on the weekly it wasn't? Anyone got any enlightenment on this?
Nightfall had elemental burns for all elements including solar (Icebreakers element) which means all elemental damage is multiplied. Weekly was voidburn which means only damage from void weapons is multiplied.Edited by Speckle on Wednesday 4th February 14:56
Speckle said:
Nightfall had elemental burns for all elements including solar (Icebreakers element) which means all elemental damage is multiplied. Weekly was voidburn which means only damage from void weapons is multiplied.
Gotcha! Cheers. Thought it would be something like that. I really should pay attention to what the modifiers actually do. Edited by Speckle on Wednesday 4th February 14:56
youngsyr said:
When we tried it the other night, the issue was teamwork - we just weren't co-ordinated enough.
We kept sending two people in on one side to get the wizard, people would run into a room on their own and try to take out the shrieker etc.
We've beaten it much easier with weaker teams when doing it with Speckle's usual team who all know what to do and when.
I did hear a bit of mis-communication from your side. That was the 1st time I did the right side and it seemed a lot less busy and I thought our side got into a groove pretty quickly.We kept sending two people in on one side to get the wizard, people would run into a room on their own and try to take out the shrieker etc.
We've beaten it much easier with weaker teams when doing it with Speckle's usual team who all know what to do and when.
Speckle's lot are pros. If the team has a lot of them in, it's not a weak team. On a related note, I just saw a clan invite from Kaney. I'm in!!! Your clan has just got officially weaker
On the subject of heavy ammo, we've found that if you start shooting Crota with primary AS SOON AS the swordbearer is down, you can kneel him with primary, then when the swordbearer is attacking, switch to heavy and kneel him the second time with heavy.
Cuts heavy usage in half.
18 Icebreaker shots will also down him, so 4 or 5 doing it he'll go down easy.
Cuts heavy usage in half.
18 Icebreaker shots will also down him, so 4 or 5 doing it he'll go down easy.
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