COD - Why the hate?
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Rick_1138 said:
onlynik said:
Top quality parenting. 
yeah, (playing devils advocate a bit) isn't the game an PEGI 18 rating?They also watch the news with me and are fully aware of what is going on in the world.
Both well grounded and very sensible lads. I have no problem with them playing COD or Halo with me.
The 14 year old also likes his racing games and the 10 year old prefers his mine craft and Supermario, I do not let them play GTA as I feel that is too adult for them, compared with COD. They do not play the campains, just the mutiplayers when I am present.
You are also more than entitled to your opinion, I maybe should not have mentioned that i let my children occasionally play COD with me and my mistake for posting that on pistonheads, did not realise I would get my parenting called into question, on mumsnet maybe, but not here.
Thank you for your comments, I take them on board.
COD is war for idiots.
It started off as a sort of sub-Clancy grade nonsense, but that was fine since it was escapist fun. Then it got progressively more facile and cartoonish with awful, inflated characters to the point where it's B-movie stupidity.
I'm not suggesting every game has to be like ARMA but suspension of disbelief only goes so far.
It started off as a sort of sub-Clancy grade nonsense, but that was fine since it was escapist fun. Then it got progressively more facile and cartoonish with awful, inflated characters to the point where it's B-movie stupidity.
I'm not suggesting every game has to be like ARMA but suspension of disbelief only goes so far.
R1Mark said:
The biggest prob;em with the COD series has been the reliance on the onld game engine. See the link here for an explanation and see why its so screwed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyCQtUFOJmA&li...
Until they sort the issues with this ancient game engine then I'm not giving another penny to the COD franchise.
I believe MW2 was the pinnacle of the COD series and has been on a slippery slope to obscurity ever since.
If they brought in a new game engine and used it in a remastered MW2 set up and got rid of the cheating quick scoping then it would be as close to perfect as could reasonably be expected.
Very interesting. Thanks for that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyCQtUFOJmA&li...
Until they sort the issues with this ancient game engine then I'm not giving another penny to the COD franchise.
I believe MW2 was the pinnacle of the COD series and has been on a slippery slope to obscurity ever since.
If they brought in a new game engine and used it in a remastered MW2 set up and got rid of the cheating quick scoping then it would be as close to perfect as could reasonably be expected.
At the ripe age that I am, I have seen the games industry, the games and the players evolve over time. I remember the early days of playing Counter Strike on the PC and GoldenEye on the N64; I even played the original Doom against a friend using a serial cable to connect our 386 and 486 PC's. In those days it was very much an uncool thing to do, but for those of us that did, it was new and fun. Most people that played were of a similar mind set and so there was a close community of enthusiasts. Much of the content, such as new maps and game types, was player created. Sure there were still idiots messaging abuse but they were generally in the minority and they had to type it rather than blurt it down an IP voice channel. If it got our of hand the server moderator/admin would kick them off. In short, everything was managed and provided by the community.
The last FPS games I can remember being like this were titles such as Unreal, Battlefield 1942 and the first COD. I'm sure there were others but these are good examples. Beyond this point, about 10 years ago, the games industry saw a rapidly expanding market for online games and took control. We started to see community managed servers and mods disappear (or become far more rare) as software developers saw DLCs and subscription services as a way to extract more money. Gaming became "cool" and kids and idiots everywhere would get into it. They'd get locked in tight with an obsession with achieving that next level-up, a perfect system designed to feed into their DLC model. It's cocaine for a gaming generation.
Sad as it is, the vast majority of these games are just cash cows for the large software houses. It doesn't mean they can't be fun but, for me, much of this has been ruined because of the players themselves. If I jump on to COD online I will almost instantly be abused by some idiotic child who thinks he's amazing because he's managed to achieve level 9000 in a short time, usually through some pathetic XP farming process he found on YouTube. No thanks.
The last FPS games I can remember being like this were titles such as Unreal, Battlefield 1942 and the first COD. I'm sure there were others but these are good examples. Beyond this point, about 10 years ago, the games industry saw a rapidly expanding market for online games and took control. We started to see community managed servers and mods disappear (or become far more rare) as software developers saw DLCs and subscription services as a way to extract more money. Gaming became "cool" and kids and idiots everywhere would get into it. They'd get locked in tight with an obsession with achieving that next level-up, a perfect system designed to feed into their DLC model. It's cocaine for a gaming generation.
Sad as it is, the vast majority of these games are just cash cows for the large software houses. It doesn't mean they can't be fun but, for me, much of this has been ruined because of the players themselves. If I jump on to COD online I will almost instantly be abused by some idiotic child who thinks he's amazing because he's managed to achieve level 9000 in a short time, usually through some pathetic XP farming process he found on YouTube. No thanks.
CoD, BF which ever have become such big earners that the publishers want to keep rolling one out every year as they're cash cows.
The minute they barely break even with the development and advertising costs you'll soon see them fall away from the annual release.
I've enjoyed both franchises over the years but I do yearn for more of the smaller dev houses coming out with a monster hit (Relic with Homeworld for example yup showing my age).
Read a comment earlier regarding abusive players. MUTE for the win!
Fortunately AW seems to be 4r53h0l3 free at the mo.
Cheers,
T1b
The minute they barely break even with the development and advertising costs you'll soon see them fall away from the annual release.
I've enjoyed both franchises over the years but I do yearn for more of the smaller dev houses coming out with a monster hit (Relic with Homeworld for example yup showing my age).
Read a comment earlier regarding abusive players. MUTE for the win!
Fortunately AW seems to be 4r53h0l3 free at the mo.
Cheers,
T1b
This is definitely the best non-Treyarch COD that there has been for a while. Whilst Infinity Ward were always able to get plenty of juice from the ancient engine, their creativity was bankrupt. They made a mockery of the Modern Warfare series by making it character based, rather than scenario based. As soon as they started attaching some value to the cast of charmless goons they had created, the downfall of the series was assured. MW2 was the absolute nadir of the series, it was just unmitigated rubbish and they fecklessly fiddled the multiplayer so much, ended up with a useless wreck of a game that was crap online. The maps were also hopelessly designed too, it was dreadful.
Treyarch suffered the odd technical struggle but WaW was genuinely fantastic and the Black Ops games had some imagination. I also liked the fact that the Black Ops games were less 'chav', so a lot of the ranting 13 year olds stayed playing MW, meaning less irritation on BO.
Advanced Warfare is a credit to the developers though. The single player seems to have been a focus, rather than an afterthought here. The pacing is better and the graphics are very slick. The multiplayer is great too, I love the new Uplink mode and the maps are great. They've obviously had holiday resorts on their mind, as the Greek 'Resort' map is genuinely one of the best maps in the history of the series.
Treyarch suffered the odd technical struggle but WaW was genuinely fantastic and the Black Ops games had some imagination. I also liked the fact that the Black Ops games were less 'chav', so a lot of the ranting 13 year olds stayed playing MW, meaning less irritation on BO.
Advanced Warfare is a credit to the developers though. The single player seems to have been a focus, rather than an afterthought here. The pacing is better and the graphics are very slick. The multiplayer is great too, I love the new Uplink mode and the maps are great. They've obviously had holiday resorts on their mind, as the Greek 'Resort' map is genuinely one of the best maps in the history of the series.
trashbat said:
COD is war for idiots.
It started off as a sort of sub-Clancy grade nonsense, but that was fine since it was escapist fun. Then it got progressively more facile and cartoonish with awful, inflated characters to the point where it's B-movie stupidity.
I'm not suggesting every game has to be like ARMA but suspension of disbelief only goes so far.
The single-player game has always been terrible but nobody buys it for that (surely?). Linear nonsense.It started off as a sort of sub-Clancy grade nonsense, but that was fine since it was escapist fun. Then it got progressively more facile and cartoonish with awful, inflated characters to the point where it's B-movie stupidity.
I'm not suggesting every game has to be like ARMA but suspension of disbelief only goes so far.
I used to play COD a lot, putting hundreds of hours into multiplayer and playing in one of the top COD Elite clans, but I lost interest when they introduced too many perks and the broken engine really started to become apparent. Ghosts was one of the worst games I've ever played; stupid perks, stupid killstreaks, boring maps and everyone camping.
I haven't preordered this year and probably won't pick up a copy at least until it is in the bargain bins, if at all.
Neil H said:
The single-player game has always been terrible but nobody buys it for that (surely?). Linear nonsense.
It hasn't always been terrible, that's my point. Of course they're all linear but COD4:MW was a half decent yarn, if a bit silly, with some nice mechanisms for a show and tell narrative. It didn't fall of a cliff immediately but got increasingly ridiculous from that point on.While I dislike COD now and have not bought any since Black Ops, I think its more down to the laziness and greed of the developers / producers.
As a lot of people have already said, little effort put into each sequel with far too many Pay to play DLC’s.
Unfortunately its spreading, Destiny has just lost all appeal after the First DLC is £20 and most of it is already on the disc.
Unfortunately its looking like your going to have to start spending £100+ to get the complete game nowadays.
As a lot of people have already said, little effort put into each sequel with far too many Pay to play DLC’s.
Unfortunately its spreading, Destiny has just lost all appeal after the First DLC is £20 and most of it is already on the disc.
Unfortunately its looking like your going to have to start spending £100+ to get the complete game nowadays.
They should have called this CoD: Advanced Waiting, on PC at least;
Want to change AA settings? Watch the entire loading screen
Want to lower / increase quality? Watch the entire loading screen again
Want to turn off motion blur? Here's that loading screen again
Want to turn of Depth of field? Surprise, loading screen!
You cannot alter a single thing in the graphics settings without having to sit through a lengthy cutscene / loading screen.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Want to change AA settings? Watch the entire loading screen
Want to lower / increase quality? Watch the entire loading screen again
Want to turn off motion blur? Here's that loading screen again
Want to turn of Depth of field? Surprise, loading screen!
You cannot alter a single thing in the graphics settings without having to sit through a lengthy cutscene / loading screen.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
VeeDubBigBird said:
While I dislike COD now and have not bought any since Black Ops, I think its more down to the laziness and greed of the developers / producers.
As a lot of people have already said, little effort put into each sequel with far too many Pay to play DLC’s.
Unfortunately its spreading, Destiny has just lost all appeal after the First DLC is £20 and most of it is already on the disc.
Unfortunately its looking like your going to have to start spending £100+ to get the complete game nowadays.
Bungie were very smart with the DLC for Halo 3. And what there was, I didn't mind paying for.As a lot of people have already said, little effort put into each sequel with far too many Pay to play DLC’s.
Unfortunately its spreading, Destiny has just lost all appeal after the First DLC is £20 and most of it is already on the disc.
Unfortunately its looking like your going to have to start spending £100+ to get the complete game nowadays.
There were a few map packs which came out, but over the course of like 4/5 year period. Having to buy the ODST game to get the multiplayer disk was a bit annoying, but considering the amount of game time racked up on that (got to a 5 Star General if anyone knows the game) I didn't mind.
The fact COD now launches with the map packs planned, for say 3 months after release is a bit of a piss take as they will all be done when the game was launched, and not on ongoing development of the game.
Why the hate? Because at it's peak (Cod4) was a breath of fresh air. The maps were brilliant and the guns well balanced allowing you the freedom to run around like a loon with an uzi in one level or ghillie up and play sniper in the next, both being equally viable and fun to play options. The levelling system was new and the perks\kill streaks were fun without being overpowering and ruining the balance of the game.
Unfortunately as with most things which are successful, the developers added more perks, more kill streaks, more detail i.e. clutter to the maps and more pop up flashy messages on the screen in the mistaken belief that more of everything=better when in fact all they did was spoil the near perfect balance of the game. It's turned a perfectly paced, skilled based shooting game into a game about who spots who first\lag\internet connection\spawning in front of people\random killfest where your score is more about luck then skill. The hate is caused by a game that was soo good being turned to crap because of greed and poor management.
The new one doesn't appear to be reversing that trend.
Unfortunately as with most things which are successful, the developers added more perks, more kill streaks, more detail i.e. clutter to the maps and more pop up flashy messages on the screen in the mistaken belief that more of everything=better when in fact all they did was spoil the near perfect balance of the game. It's turned a perfectly paced, skilled based shooting game into a game about who spots who first\lag\internet connection\spawning in front of people\random killfest where your score is more about luck then skill. The hate is caused by a game that was soo good being turned to crap because of greed and poor management.
The new one doesn't appear to be reversing that trend.
anonymous said:
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To really take the piss, you can't even enter the Options menu WITHOUT starting the game first! Who came up with that brilliant idea?ETA: Oh wait, yes you can, just spotted in the bottom right corner of the menu screen 'space for options'. Was there something wrong with putting it in the menu list like every other f
king game?Edited by Oakey on Friday 7th November 10:53
Everyones right in their derision of COD, but if it were my call to commission another couple sequels, and reap the profits, I'd be releasing 4 sequels a year.
All of which with day one DLC.
And I'd take everyones moaning onboard, if my private cruise liner had an Internet connection. And I wasn't busy with the Playboy Bunnies.
Sorry.
All of which with day one DLC.
And I'd take everyones moaning onboard, if my private cruise liner had an Internet connection. And I wasn't busy with the Playboy Bunnies.
Sorry.
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