Next gen disappointments?
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I've been pretty disappointed with pretty much every title so far on my PS4. As I'm signed up to boomerang, (a rental service) I have played pretty much every new title, and I'm feeling a little underwhelmed. I'm hoping Dragon age and maybe even far cry will step up to the plate.
Anyone else feel the same?
Anyone else feel the same?
Worst bit is the quality of the services and/or the hardware, for me.
Sold my Xbox One as I was sick of being shown almost nothing but adverts when I turned it on. Screen after screen of 'buy this thing' 'rent this thing'. Urgh.
Then the PS4 has gone mad too, with the disc drive randomly spitting out the discs, or refusing to let them in. And now the controller rubber has peeled off - which is rubbish considering I've only played with the console for about 3 hours all in, because zero good games have come out until GTAV.
It's not like these things are cheap.
Sold my Xbox One as I was sick of being shown almost nothing but adverts when I turned it on. Screen after screen of 'buy this thing' 'rent this thing'. Urgh.
Then the PS4 has gone mad too, with the disc drive randomly spitting out the discs, or refusing to let them in. And now the controller rubber has peeled off - which is rubbish considering I've only played with the console for about 3 hours all in, because zero good games have come out until GTAV.
It's not like these things are cheap.
Altrezia said:
Then the PS4 has gone mad too, with the disc drive randomly spitting out the discs, or refusing to let them in. And now the controller rubber has peeled off - which is rubbish considering I've only played with the console for about 3 hours all in, because zero good games have come out until GTAV.
It's not like these things are cheap.
My left thumb stick rubber started peeling away (after 100's of hours on BF4 though). Apparently a common issue and Sony will replace it. I couldn't be bothered to send mine back so i bought some Orb PS4 thumb grips off Amazon for £3. Work a treat and should last. It's not like these things are cheap.
Edited by paul99 on Wednesday 19th November 10:29
vescaegg said:
Chris Type R said:
Just bought a XBox One & the UI is awful. It's like it was designed in a sealed room to prevent any learning from its predecessors.
It really is abysmal. Really unbelieably awful.
k up" I thought that in game chat should be a setting you need to turn on rather than have to switch it off?
That b
d one eyed, xbox connect thing is just rubbish. I had the first couple of Play stations and they were awesome. Although the graphics are massively better now, the next gen games are lacking in any real innovation. Most appear to be sequels.
Edited by el stovey on Wednesday 19th November 11:19
el stovey said:
Most appear to be sequels.
I agree with that. I think we're waiting for either a game with an original style of gameplay or a new franchise that really takes things forward. However are the sequels the inevitable result of the stratospherically high costs of production these days? Would take a brave soul to plough $300,000,000 (which is a bit less than Destiny cost iirc) into something completely new.... Edited by el stovey on Wednesday 19th November 11:19
Snubs said:
el stovey said:
Most appear to be sequels.
I agree with that. I think we're waiting for either a game with an original style of gameplay or a new franchise that really takes things forward. However are the sequels the inevitable result of the stratospherically high costs of production these days? Would take a brave soul to plough $300,000,000 (which is a bit less than Destiny cost iirc) into something completely new.... Edited by el stovey on Wednesday 19th November 11:19
I remember the playstation coming out. There was a wide variety of games from things like demolition derby to the excellent wipeout and the pure car racers like ridge racer.
Most xbox/playstation games are sequels of first person shooters. Why aren't there more open world games or flying games or underwater adventures or space trading games or strategy. Is it just because those don't sell on a console?
I'd love an open world game like GTA or Battlefield with a variety of vehicles and people to interact with but not the same fighting drug gangs and the police every mission as watchdogs or GTA or Battlefield hardline has.
It has always been the same with new generation releases.
The problem is that there is a 12-24 month gap between release and consoles being cheap enough that 50-75% of gamers make the jump to upgrading. Until then, games released exclusively for the next gen risk missing out on the section of the market that hasn't changed over; thus leaving them down on game sales.
Ports are easier as you can design a game for the current gen, then spend a bit more extra cash to port over to the new gen; hitting both markets.
Give it 18 months and there will be loads of next gen only games that start to push the hardware; as well as quite a few original games. We'll of had two Christmas' by then, which is when the consoles tend to sell big.
As a side thing; the above is the reason I decided to build a new gaming PC. I probably won't get a next gen console for 3-4 years.
The problem is that there is a 12-24 month gap between release and consoles being cheap enough that 50-75% of gamers make the jump to upgrading. Until then, games released exclusively for the next gen risk missing out on the section of the market that hasn't changed over; thus leaving them down on game sales.
Ports are easier as you can design a game for the current gen, then spend a bit more extra cash to port over to the new gen; hitting both markets.
Give it 18 months and there will be loads of next gen only games that start to push the hardware; as well as quite a few original games. We'll of had two Christmas' by then, which is when the consoles tend to sell big.
As a side thing; the above is the reason I decided to build a new gaming PC. I probably won't get a next gen console for 3-4 years.
el stovey said:
Most xbox/playstation games are sequels of first person shooters. Why aren't there more open world games or flying games or underwater adventures or space trading games or strategy. Is it just because those don't sell on a console?
I'd love an open world game like GTA or Battlefield with a variety of vehicles and people to interact with but not the same fighting drug gangs and the police every mission as watchdogs or GTA or Battlefield hardline has.
You need a PC stovey...I'd love an open world game like GTA or Battlefield with a variety of vehicles and people to interact with but not the same fighting drug gangs and the police every mission as watchdogs or GTA or Battlefield hardline has.
There are hundreds of games on Steam like this, mostly made by Indie developers so quite cheap.
Most of the type of games you want are not what developers consider 'console friendly'; in that they believe console players want to pick up and game, play for an hour, turn off and repeat. This suits FPS and racing games to a tee; but not so good for more indepth, strategy/simulators games. Not to mention most of these games feel better using a keyboard and mouse.
el stovey said:
I remember the playstation coming out. There was a wide variety of games from things like demolition derby to the excellent wipeout and the pure car racers like ridge racer.
Your post has reminded me of something I was reading recently - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oddworld_Inhabitants#...I quite enjoyed the oddworld games & thought I'd have a look if anything recent had been done. Reading that link above, it's surprising that MS make it so difficult for publishers.
Truly new stuff that moves a genre on is pretty rate.
When HL1 came out, everything felt quite HL1'y for years. Then when HL2 came out, everything since has felt HL2'y, but very few games seem to do much MORE than that.
It's sad that innovation is so limited.
The last FPS type game I played was Crysis 2, or was it 3. The one in New York.
Nice looking, and an ok story, but it played just like any other game since HL2...
Same with the C&C type games. C&C1, RA1 and 2, and Generals all set some great feeling and playing games, but then all the sequels got worse really.
Imo, any decent game, after playing for 5 mins, the visuals kinda become irrelevant.
I just downloaded X Wing/Tie Fighter on GOG and was playing them again... and after 5 mins it didn't matter they were low res and looked old. I was in for the gameplay and story... which are ultimately all that count.
New games are only expensive to make because they invest so much in the visuals really. The game play elements in most are no better than they were a decade ago.
But what do you expect from console games. They're there to make £££, and in the latest iterations it seems they moved away from being pure game machines, to increasingly media centric pay per play/pay per view/DLC type platforms... so the cash cow is now firmly being milked if you buy into one of them.
Imo, but a PC. A catalogue of games going back three decades, most dirt cheap these days, along with the latest fancy stuff if that is what takes your fancy too.
Dave
When HL1 came out, everything felt quite HL1'y for years. Then when HL2 came out, everything since has felt HL2'y, but very few games seem to do much MORE than that.
It's sad that innovation is so limited.
The last FPS type game I played was Crysis 2, or was it 3. The one in New York.
Nice looking, and an ok story, but it played just like any other game since HL2...
Same with the C&C type games. C&C1, RA1 and 2, and Generals all set some great feeling and playing games, but then all the sequels got worse really.
Imo, any decent game, after playing for 5 mins, the visuals kinda become irrelevant.
I just downloaded X Wing/Tie Fighter on GOG and was playing them again... and after 5 mins it didn't matter they were low res and looked old. I was in for the gameplay and story... which are ultimately all that count.
New games are only expensive to make because they invest so much in the visuals really. The game play elements in most are no better than they were a decade ago.
But what do you expect from console games. They're there to make £££, and in the latest iterations it seems they moved away from being pure game machines, to increasingly media centric pay per play/pay per view/DLC type platforms... so the cash cow is now firmly being milked if you buy into one of them.
Imo, but a PC. A catalogue of games going back three decades, most dirt cheap these days, along with the latest fancy stuff if that is what takes your fancy too.
Dave
Watchdogs (awful) and Destiny (fairly disappointing). Watchdogs is fairly well documented, so I won't go into it. Destiny was just a let down, no story line, no coop, questionable online play.
Ironically, the most 'next gen' feeling I've had for a recent game was playing Last of Us on PS3. That was miles better than anything so far on the so called next gen. I really need to play it on the PS4.
Ironically, the most 'next gen' feeling I've had for a recent game was playing Last of Us on PS3. That was miles better than anything so far on the so called next gen. I really need to play it on the PS4.
Chris Type R said:
Just bought a XBox One & the UI is awful. It's like it was designed in a sealed room to prevent any learning from its predecessors.
It's not bad, and has improved considerably since it was first released but it's not as easy to use as the 360's. However, once you're familiar with it it's much easier to get around, and things like being able to scan codes rather than having to type them is great. One thing I don't like about it is automatically snapping the Achievement tile to the side of the game screen when you access it. I prefer to look at the proper full Achievement screen, which unfortunately doesn't have a 'main screen' link if you access it from a game so you can get stuck looking at achievements for one game when you want to see another. Some of the games have been hopeless. Destiny should have just been called 'Disappointment'. The port of GTAV seems to have the chavs going wild, but it was f
king crap the first time around so I've no desire to revisit it. OTOH, some of the games have been fantastic. Sunset Overdrive is a great laugh, being sort of Crackdown-meets-Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. Forza Horizon 2 is fantastic; stuffed with content and great fun. The Halo: Masterchief collection must represent serious value for anyone looking to relive the old classics (especially since Halo 4 was pretty awful). Call of Duty is reinvigorated, Dragon Age looks fantastic, and Lords Of The Fallen is an incredibly addictive hidden gem of a game.
What's around the corner is even more exciting; The Witcher 3, Dying Light, The Divison - there is plenty to look forward to.
I think next year will be better with more games that are not just ports.
We have had our PS4 for 6 months now and there hasn't been a single game that I have wanted to buy on it, everything that comes out cross platform I get on the PC at half the price.
Looking forward to the Order and Metal Gear but thats about it.
We have had our PS4 for 6 months now and there hasn't been a single game that I have wanted to buy on it, everything that comes out cross platform I get on the PC at half the price.
Looking forward to the Order and Metal Gear but thats about it.
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