Project Cars Weekly TIme Trail

Project Cars Weekly TIme Trail

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Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Cadwell Park GP Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo 2 DTM)
Gamertag Platform Control Time Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
pearcy PS4 Pad 01:27.818 0:26.332 0:37:593 0:23.893
Tron PC G27 01:27.911 0:26.059 0:37:963 0:23.889
Born2BSlow PC T500 01:28.113 0:26.568 0:37:817 0:23.726
xjay1337 PS4 G29 01:28.594 0:26.345 0:38:338 0:23.909
JEZZ172 PS4 G29 01:30.834 0:26.553 0:39:518 0:24.763
CamR400 PS4 T300 01:34.497 0:27.844 0:41.558 ???


Thats enough for tonight, knackering track!
So many corners that unless you apex perfectly, you lose so much time!

Admission: I had to change the steering ratio, no way i could compete with the standard bus ratio.

Steve Campbell

2,110 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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[quote=Tronneh]|||||| Cadwell Park GP|| Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo 2 DTM)||
Gamertag Platform Control Time Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
pearcy PS4 Pad 01:27.818 0:26.332 0:37:593 0:23.893
Tron PC G27 01:27.911 0:26.059 0:37:963 0:23.889
Born2BSlow PC T500 01:28.113 0:26.568 0:37:817 0:23.726
xjay1337 PS4 G29 01:28.594 0:26.345 0:38:338 0:23.909
JEZZ172 PS4 G29 01:30.834 0:26.553 0:39:518 0:24.763
CamR400 PS4 T300 01:34.497 0:27.844 0:41.558 ???


Another 20 laps and I can't go faster. Oh well :-)

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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I'm getting fed up with PC not recording my time trials.
Gone on today to find my "best" time recorded is 1:29.038. Which clearly it isn't!

Good job I do my times before I exit back to menu laugh

Now to see if I can improve...

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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Cadwell Park GP Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo 2 DTM)
Gamertag Platform Control Time Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
pearcy PS4 Pad 01:27.818 0:26.332 0:37:593 0:23.893
Tron PC G27 01:27.911 0:26.059 0:37:963 0:23.889
xjay1337 PS4 G29 01:28.063 0:26.135 0:37:885 0:24.9041
Born2BSlow PC T500 01:28.113 0:26.568 0:37:817 0:23.726
JEZZ172 PS4 G29 01:30.834 0:26.553 0:39:518 0:24.763
CamR400 PS4 T300 01:34.497 0:27.844 0:41.558 ???




That's it for me or I'm going to actually destroy my TV / PS4 / Wheel.

Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Lets see how much slower I am with this little lot!


Jezz172

788 posts

178 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Tronneh said:
Lets see how much slower I am with this little lot!

Now that is just showing off!!!

Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Nha, showing off would be if i got the CSWv2 not the CSL smile

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Looks great :-)

Bet it's set up already lol

Jezz172

788 posts

178 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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My PC is still in bits waiting for the GFX card to come back frown

Just not the same on the PS4

Steve Campbell

2,110 posts

167 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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THAT'S IT!!! It's the PS4 that's the problem, not my driving ;-)

Excuse #1 in play :-)

Jezz172

788 posts

178 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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I have many excuses.
It's too hot / cold in my office.

The other people are cheating
My car is slower.

LOADS lol

born2bslow

1,674 posts

133 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Finally figured out how to record triple monitors (MSI Afterburner)

Low res and the FPS hit makes it tricky to put in a good lap but this one is only 0.5sec off my pb (all lost in the last sector)

https://youtu.be/GiX9RnploH4

Pearcy you can see why i asked about SC, your lap looks so much tidier and the way it steps out going over the hump is tricky to hold on to, 7 out of 10 laps end in the barriers there. So much bloody good fun going sideways though, I'm not switching SC or TC on.

Pearcyy

Original Poster:

375 posts

170 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Can't see the video, i did/have turned SC off, much quicker in the first two with it off and could go over the mountain the same really just a few more offs at the windy bit so ended up flicking it on for the last sector and ended up doing a 1.27.422.


Cadwell Park GP Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo 2 DTM)
Gamertag Platform Control Time Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
pearcy PS4 Pad 01:27.422 0:26.061 0:37:630 0:23.730
Tron PC G27 01:27.911 0:26.059 0:37:963 0:23.889
xjay1337 PS4 G29 01:28.063 0:26.135 0:37:885 0:24.9041
Born2BSlow PC T500 01:28.113 0:26.568 0:37:817 0:23.726
JEZZ172 PS4 G29 01:30.834 0:26.553 0:39:518 0:24.763
CamR400 PS4 T300 01:34.497 0:27.844 0:41.558 ???


Will upload the vid tomorrow, best first and last sector i've had, 2 tenths down on the second though but will never get a perfect lap!

Edit: seen the video, don't think your quite hitting it properly definately shouldn't touch the kurb with SC off.


Edited by Pearcyy on Thursday 12th January 22:55


Edited by Pearcyy on Thursday 12th January 22:59

Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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I thought I would document and provide some feedback on my upgrade from the G27 to the Fanatec CSL setup, in case anyone else is having the same thoughts

So firstly we all know the G27 is a fantasic bit of kit for the price. I have been using logitech for years ever since the release of the G25 and have been very happy with it, but I have now been tempted by the shiny Fanatec kit.
I also compared the Thrustmaster offerings but what I really wanted was more pedal feel and the Fanatec pedals do seem to get rave reviews. Initially I was going to go for the ClubSport V3 pedals, however I was tempted by the BMW GT2 wheel and again the CSL pedals again received great reviews for feel so opted for those to keep the cost down a little.

The setup was:
  • CSL Wheel base
  • CSL Pedal set with brake load cell
  • BMW GT2 wheel
The cost of this was around £750 delivered. Which actually compared quite well against the Thrustmaster TS-PC racer at 499 and 149 for the T3PA-PRO + delivery.
Ordered from the Fanatec site late friday night (I had not been drinking, honest) and the kit arrived the following thursday morning.

All arrived in 4 boxes as the pedals and brake load cell were seperate, all well packaged with basic instructions for building the pedals with links to the driver and support website.
The wheel base however had something loose in it, so I took the top of the case off to find out what it was. It turned out it was a zip tie that had either snapped or been dropped in the case at construction. However I noted that the fan cables had been badly crimped between the case top and the bottom mating faces, which was quite ironic given the warns given for crimping the cables when building the pedals! However the fan still functioned fine...
Other than that all the gear seems really well made and very robust. The wheel is particularly impressive and a thing of beauty!

First of all I tried the wheel with the provided desk clamp with Asseto Corsa and it was a huge difference.
The wheel is a good 50mm or so larger than the G27 and is quite hard to initially get used too but once a few laps are under the belt it really started to shine.
Firstly the action of the wheel is sooooooo smooth compared to the G27, the only analogy I can think of is to insert your penis into a corse cheese grater (G27) or a tepid Panacotta (Fanatec). It is just lovely.
The feedback is highly configurable but I just left everything at default for now. However, given the game is sending the same FFB instructions as the G27, the difference in feel and feedback is utterly remarkable. For instance weight transfer in corners is now very much part of my thought process as you can feel the car load up, which you could with the G27 but the way it is applied through the Fanatec setup is just another level with the feel it provides.
It's also worth mentioning that the wheel also has a rumble pack in it which helps you feel brake lockups or traction loss a lot better than just straight FFB through the wheel. Apparently this works in combo with the V3 pedals.
Now the CSL pedals I thoguht was intitially quite strange. The G27 pedals requires little pressue to operate which also they meant had about as much feel as a sausage down an alley... The CSL pedals are very different, I opted to keep the elastomer bushings(3 sets of varying shore provided) at the lightest setting but this still required a lot of pressure to operate compared with the G27 which meant lots of missed apexes and sometimes the corner entirely! This was not helped by the fact I don't have a solid rig setup and the seat kept rolling back... However once I managed get my head around these issues and put in some laps I found that I could modulate the brake much better as the resitance gave me a much better feel for where I was in the brake throw.

So the question is, is it worth the money?
For me absolutley, I could not stretch to the full ClubSport V2 wheel and V3 pedals for now, but I do have the option of an upgrade path in the future.

All in all I am really happy with this upgrade, the only issue I now have is when and where I can build a solid rig!!


xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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Interesting review, glad you seem happy!

Like the cheese analogy smile

Have you tried the G29 Pedals? I believe Logitech incorporated the popular upgrade of adding Polyeurehtane/Rubber in the brake. I do have to stamp on mine pretty hard to get full braking.


Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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Must admit, I had not tried the G29.
To be honest even if I had, knowing what I know now, this would not have changed my mind to buy the Fanatec setup.
The extra feel you get from the wheel is hard to quantify and explain to someone who hasn't had the chance to sitdown for a couple of hours and try it.

born2bslow

1,674 posts

133 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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Tronneh said:
Lots of words which make me think about upgrading my wheel and pissing off my wife
Thanks Tron, you can explain this to my wife some time...

  • googles fanatec*
No no no must resist...

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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Tronneh said:
Must admit, I had not tried the G29.
To be honest even if I had, knowing what I know now, this would not ave changed my mind to buy the Fanatec setup.
The extra feel you get from the wheel is hard to quantify and explain to someone who hasn't had the chance to sitdown for a couple of hours and try it.
Fair play smile

I would love to do it, but finding good high end wheels for PS4 is hard, and expensive. My hardcore sim days are long behind me, until we move to a bigger house, I've finished my racekor, and my credit cards are paid off, I won't be in the position to build a high end PC and sim rig, I'd love to though!

For the cost / fun the G29 and Playseat was around £350 all in. I remember about 5 years ago my friend had a Fanatec wheel and the alcantara/suede covering alone felt better than the leather on the G25 at the time.

3x monitor, motion rig, that would be the dream haha.

Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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born2bslow said:
Thanks Tron, you can explain this to my wife some time...

  • googles fanatec*
No no no must resist...
Sorry biggrin

Don't you have the TS500?
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts in the differences on your old Logitech to Thrustmaster

Tronneh

293 posts

214 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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xjay1337 said:
I would love to do it, but finding good high end wheels for PS4 is hard
Fanatec do support PS with some wheels wink
Sorry biggrin