Mass effect: Andromeda
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I will not be cowed over this, the man is scum and the recent "its hip to be anti-white" s
t that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.
Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a st game.
t that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a s
t game.
MrBrightSi said:
I will not be cowed over this, the man is scum and the recent "its hip to be anti-white" st that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.
Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a st game.
Just pirate it when it gets cracked then.t that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a s
t game.MrBrightSi said:
I will not be cowed over this, the man is scum and the recent "its hip to be anti-white" st that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.
Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a st game.
I only see one person on a crusade here. Simmer down mate, maybe read some non alt right news sources while you're at it.t that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a s
t game.This does seem to be another game that will be better once it's been out for a bit and patched. I wonder if devs will start to learn from this and start giving us games that work from launch like they used to in the old days.
MrBrightSi said:
I will not be cowed over this, the man is scum and the recent "its hip to be anti-white" st that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.
Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a st game.
OK, you're mental.t that poors from MTV as well as the "Anti male" bullst thats trying to infect the games industry. Yes, yes tinfoil hat, i must be a nazi all that st, but i will not let that st slide. That guy was a fking scumbag and even if you say "oh he only changed the cups in the coffee machine" his rhetoric and awful views would of been seen more than once.Which of my views should my employer find out about btw? If we're on threats, i can drop an email if you want, that is if you're desperate to crusade for a s
t game.Anyway, played another few hours last night.
The nomad really makes the open world much better than DA:I because the travel times are so much quicker, and you can just drive past any random encounter rather than being forced to fight.
The new nvidia drivers have helped a lot with regards to constant framerate, and in general it is running smoother.
I've found that I've had no problems saving in the open world at all, at any time, which is good.
Some of the dialogue is a bit meh, but that's nothing new. The most important thing is that I'm enjoying it, Sara's voice actor is really good.
vonuber said:
You are no better than the people putting 0 on metacritic because there's too many gays in the game.
I have given you proof a member of staff who i'm gonna guess didn't hide his vile views had racist views against whites, even spouted the ultimate vile phrase "you cant be racist against whites" and now im the bad guy? Really, i was a fanboy of the series as a game, it's obvious this was dragged along the new fashionable social justice style and is "the most diverse game" as if the casts skin tone matters. (dropped myself in it there) in terms of how "Diversity is our strength" bullst pedalled now.This goes hand in hand with the storm in a teacup that was people going crazy at the Witcher 3 for not having black people in a medieval fantasy representation of Bohemia.
My (PS4) copy arrived yesterday and despite having Horizon Zero Dawn on the go at the moment, I couldn't resist giving it a quick blast - I have refrained from reading any reviews, watching any vids, etc so playing relatively "blind" so to speak. I'm a fan of the series, and have played the other three across a combo of X360 and PC
I can't comment on the character creation side as I'm really not into all of that stuff - I started to do facial customisation, but found myself quickly uninterested in doing so, instead choosing to load up default bloke Ryder and off we went
Given that I've only done the prologue and the first mission, so an hour or two of game play, I have to say first impressions aren't all that great. Graphically, it feels like a last gen game and does suffer from some frame rate stutter and really quite bad slowdown in places which is disappointing. The facial animations are just wooden and the scenery / world / planetscape is OK, but nothing amazing. It all seems a bit "flat" in the graphics department
There is no quest page to keep track of what you've got going on, instead you have to rely on floating the cursor over quest markers on the map to find out what everything is, which is clunky at best and given that there is no dedicated "pull up the map" button, this quickly becomes a PITA. The menu interface isn't the best design in the world that's for sure as I'm not really a fan of the Windows file explorer vibe they've got going on
Then there is the gunplay / combat - nothing really flows, at least in these early stages. The cover mechanism isn't explained at all and not everything can be used as cover meaning you can be left floundering in the open whilst trying to find a suitably tall piece of rock to hide behind. There doesn't appear to be any sort of crouch either which seems most odd
In fact, there is a lot of assumption that you already know exactly how all the controls work rather than the more traditional, tutorial type of approach - there is some of that, but not it's not very comprehensive. I almost died in the first few minutes of the mission by pressing the "boost dash" that I didn't know was there and boosting off the side of a cliff
The (unmodified) assault rifle is far worse than I remember it being and the Charger pistol is utterly hopeless - you couldn't hit a barn door with it unless you were a foot away from it. I know a lot of this will, hopefully, change as you progress with mods, etc but still
I'm now back from the initial mission and back on the ship and that's where I'll stay for the foreseeable future as the disc is coming out and Horizon is going back in. I'm not getting that "just one more go" type feeling from this game at the moment and Horizon is a much more compelling gaming experience right now. I'll return to Andromeda once I'm done, but Horizon really is a huge game changer in the world of PS4 gaming
I can't comment on the character creation side as I'm really not into all of that stuff - I started to do facial customisation, but found myself quickly uninterested in doing so, instead choosing to load up default bloke Ryder and off we went
Given that I've only done the prologue and the first mission, so an hour or two of game play, I have to say first impressions aren't all that great. Graphically, it feels like a last gen game and does suffer from some frame rate stutter and really quite bad slowdown in places which is disappointing. The facial animations are just wooden and the scenery / world / planetscape is OK, but nothing amazing. It all seems a bit "flat" in the graphics department
There is no quest page to keep track of what you've got going on, instead you have to rely on floating the cursor over quest markers on the map to find out what everything is, which is clunky at best and given that there is no dedicated "pull up the map" button, this quickly becomes a PITA. The menu interface isn't the best design in the world that's for sure as I'm not really a fan of the Windows file explorer vibe they've got going on
Then there is the gunplay / combat - nothing really flows, at least in these early stages. The cover mechanism isn't explained at all and not everything can be used as cover meaning you can be left floundering in the open whilst trying to find a suitably tall piece of rock to hide behind. There doesn't appear to be any sort of crouch either which seems most odd
In fact, there is a lot of assumption that you already know exactly how all the controls work rather than the more traditional, tutorial type of approach - there is some of that, but not it's not very comprehensive. I almost died in the first few minutes of the mission by pressing the "boost dash" that I didn't know was there and boosting off the side of a cliff
The (unmodified) assault rifle is far worse than I remember it being and the Charger pistol is utterly hopeless - you couldn't hit a barn door with it unless you were a foot away from it. I know a lot of this will, hopefully, change as you progress with mods, etc but still
I'm now back from the initial mission and back on the ship and that's where I'll stay for the foreseeable future as the disc is coming out and Horizon is going back in. I'm not getting that "just one more go" type feeling from this game at the moment and Horizon is a much more compelling gaming experience right now. I'll return to Andromeda once I'm done, but Horizon really is a huge game changer in the world of PS4 gaming
anonymous said:
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I'm enjoying it, however in regard to comment from Moog above:- I'm on PC, and so the graphics are better. I can post some screens to show - I'm running on a 970gtx
- we have a dedicated map button (m!)
- there is a quest page in the journal and pressing q brings up your current quest and objectives,
- combat is a vast improvement over ME3. The jetpack alone adds a verticality to the game which was sorely needed
- the initial guns suck because they do suck. I'm about 10 hours in and already have a modified level 2 mattock I crafted which does some proper damage
The initial characters you have - Liam and Cora - are very much like Kaiden and Ash in ME1 (i.e. you want to space them as soon as you meet them). They do improve though on subsequent conversations and interactions.
I've met a few others and I like them. one of the best things playing femryder (her dialogue is different to manryder in a few respects) is how she gets shot down by characters she tries to flirt with. She often comes across as an awkward flirt which I find very amusing. Sample dialogue when I tried to chat up an asari doctor:
Me: "Am I distracting?"
Doctor: "Not nearly as much as you think you are"
Made me laugh anyway.
If I was going to say one thing it's that the structure and tone feels very much like ME1, especially in pacing. I think the best way I could describe it is ME1 undertaken in the modern era with decent combat.
Edit: not to say it doesn't have flaws, and it does. Saving is still an annoyance, some of the animations and audio have glitches, some of the voice acting is nads for certain characters and I can find the planet scanning getting old (but it is optional). It's nowhere near as bad as people make out, and people forget that they look back at the original trilogy and characters as people you met over 3 entire games. people also ignore the bad gameplay, dialogue and design decisions in those games due to nostalgia.
The classic example is that you can potentially remove ME2 entirely from the series and nothing would change between ME1 and 3.
Edited by vonuber on Thursday 23 March 13:05
Despite what I said, I had another go on it today and it has started to grow on me a bit more. I did find the quest page in the journal, but I thought it just showed your current objective, but if you back out of it (circle on PS4) it takes you up a level and there you can access all of the side quests, so I can tick that off the list of minor annoyances. I guess I just didn't find it all that obvious!
The range of biotic abilities seems good, looking forward to unlocking those as I progress
Still doesn't look as shiny as a next gen title should do IMO, but that's just my feeling coming from Horizon which is astonishing. The game does support PS Pro enhancement, so perhaps that is better in the looks department
The range of biotic abilities seems good, looking forward to unlocking those as I progress
Still doesn't look as shiny as a next gen title should do IMO, but that's just my feeling coming from Horizon which is astonishing. The game does support PS Pro enhancement, so perhaps that is better in the looks department
Moog72 said:
Despite what I said, I had another go on it today and it has started to grow on me a bit more. I did find the quest page in the journal, but I thought it just showed your current objective, but if you back out of it (circle on PS4) it takes you up a level and there you can access all of the side quests, so I can tick that off the list of minor annoyances. I guess I just didn't find it all that obvious!
The range of biotic abilities seems good, looking forward to unlocking those as I progress
Still doesn't look as shiny as a next gen title should do IMO, but that's just my feeling coming from Horizon which is astonishing. The game does support PS Pro enhancement, so perhaps that is better in the looks department
I'm glad I'm not the only one who buckled and had to have "just a little go"!The range of biotic abilities seems good, looking forward to unlocking those as I progress
Still doesn't look as shiny as a next gen title should do IMO, but that's just my feeling coming from Horizon which is astonishing. The game does support PS Pro enhancement, so perhaps that is better in the looks department
I've played long enough to complete the first proper mission, and have arrived at the first "hub" area which I won't name for fear of spoiling anything. I do agree though, Moog, 1st impressions aren't great. I'm not sure where the PS4 Pro enhancement is, but the game certainly doesn't appear to be running at 4k - there are numerous rough looking edges, especially on characters, and some of the texturing just looks really sparse. The character models are a variable bunch too, the "main" characters clearly looking more detailed then the generic NPCs who look very much like they're straight from the 360/PS3 era with their smooth rubber-like skin, dead eyes and solid, immovable haircuts. It's not a gamebreaker, but it doesn't feel befitting of a Mass Effect game, which used to set graphical standards on previous hardware.
Frame rate seems to be a bit of a mess as well. It's clearly targeting 30fps, but that seems to dip with alarming frequency and there's a fair bit of screen tearing visible as well. If it's this bad on Pro what would the base PS4 and One be like? I almost dread to think and there doesn't seem to be any option to switch between favouring resolution or performance. I'd gladly opt for a locked 30fps at 1080p over 20-25 @ 1440p upscaled or whatever the game is actually running, but it doesn't look like that's an option.
I realise that coming from Horizon Zero Dawn most games are going to struggle in terms of direct visual comparison, but what I've seen so far in Andromeda been a bit "meh", not just graphically, but in terms of (admittedly very low-level) combat and what seems to be an unnecessarily convoluted UI that felt like a bit of a pain in the backside to navigate.
It's all a bit underwhelming, and I'm absolutely gutted to be writing that.
I realise there's still a long way to go, and the strength of ME was always in the story it tells and the characters it introduces, so there's still hope things can improve dramatically. Like you, Moog, I'm going to head back to Horizon for a bit, and finish that before I dip my toes back into Andromeda's waters, hopefully with sufficient time for Bioware to rush out a patch to at least address some of the issues.
ZedLeg said:
I wonder if devs will start to learn from this and start giving us games that work from launch like they used to in the old days.
Another reason why Horizon was such a breath of fresh air. A huge open world game, polished to the nth degree, sets new graphical standards on console and that pretty much just works from day one? Unheard of in todays market. No season pass or microtransaction bullst either.Edited by SimianWonder on Thursday 23 March 23:13
From what I've read it does seem to suffer on PS4, mainly from it having to hit 1080p as far as I am aware.
It hits PC hardware pretty hard too, not as much as something like RotTR but hard enough. It does look good though when it is cranked up.
I'm a bit further on now, and the story is getting better - as are some of the characters. it feels like Mass Effect and plays like it - now the question is, has Mass Effect itself been left behind by modern games? That's the real question I think.
I would say yes, in some aspects - Mass Effect has never really had good mission design at all, and in others Bioware really hasn't helped itself with ME:A.
The one thing I would stress is that the game is good, not brilliant, but good. I actually am preferring the FemRyder over Femshep in a lot of ways, she is more humorous and feels like a person - including being cringeworthily awkward in situations which can be very amusing.
Femshep was the ultimate badass, this one is different. I think people are having trouble adjusting to her not being Shepard V2.0, which is what I think a lot of people wanted.
It hits PC hardware pretty hard too, not as much as something like RotTR but hard enough. It does look good though when it is cranked up.
I'm a bit further on now, and the story is getting better - as are some of the characters. it feels like Mass Effect and plays like it - now the question is, has Mass Effect itself been left behind by modern games? That's the real question I think.
I would say yes, in some aspects - Mass Effect has never really had good mission design at all, and in others Bioware really hasn't helped itself with ME:A.
The one thing I would stress is that the game is good, not brilliant, but good. I actually am preferring the FemRyder over Femshep in a lot of ways, she is more humorous and feels like a person - including being cringeworthily awkward in situations which can be very amusing.
Femshep was the ultimate badass, this one is different. I think people are having trouble adjusting to her not being Shepard V2.0, which is what I think a lot of people wanted.
I don't know what all the negativity is about. Yes, some the character animations are a bit iffy, as is some of the voice acting. But who cares? If I want drama, I'll watch some TV.
I'm only a couple of hours in and I'm loving it so far. It's Mass Effect. It feels and plays like Mass Effect. That's good enough for me.
Far too much doom and gloom in the gaming world.
I'm only a couple of hours in and I'm loving it so far. It's Mass Effect. It feels and plays like Mass Effect. That's good enough for me.
Far too much doom and gloom in the gaming world.
i'm about 5-7 hours in on my own at the moment getting used to it as i've not plotted ME before.
Enjoying it a lot. lots to do and learn. nothing major is wrong with it and so far glad I bought it.
Only issue I get (Xbox) is that I preemptively B to hide but thats a booster button and A to Hide.
Apart from that just making my way through the game and enjoying it
Enjoying it a lot. lots to do and learn. nothing major is wrong with it and so far glad I bought it.
Only issue I get (Xbox) is that I preemptively B to hide but thats a booster button and A to Hide.
Apart from that just making my way through the game and enjoying it
Thanks to a lot of the posts on here, im willing to maybe pick up this game in the future. Currently playing through the original 3 and just he codex stuff in the 1st game. That was just so much geeky universe filling gold.
If this new game can capture such a fleshed out universe with almost believable "Facts" Through the codex/encyclopedia style system then it might of saved itself.
If this new game can capture such a fleshed out universe with almost believable "Facts" Through the codex/encyclopedia style system then it might of saved itself.
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