RE: Mercedes-AMG E43 Estate: Driven

RE: Mercedes-AMG E43 Estate: Driven

Wednesday 18th January 2017

Mercedes-AMG E43 Estate: Driven

Is the latest addition to the 'junior' AMG line-up the thinking man's E63 or a pale imitation?



Lazy cliches are the bane of any car review and to be avoided at all costs. So at no point in this story will you hear me refer to the E43 estate as a load lugger or praise its abilities in this regard. Except there, where I just did.

Space, pace and the minimum of fuss, by AMG
Space, pace and the minimum of fuss, by AMG
Suffice it to say though, the arrival of a big black Mercedes wagon with a punchy 401hp twin-turbo V6, 4Matic four-wheel drive and smattering of AMG branding was most welcome given James and the team had, erm, loads to lug to the NEC through January gloom for the Autosport International show. A fast Mercedes estate with long-distance waftability, a comfy cabin stacked with all the gizmos and a hint of AMG attitude for when the roads get a little more interesting is as appealing a concept as it was when we tried it in the smaller C43 a short while back.

The basic format - tickled 3.0-litre twin-turbo V6, AMG tuned 4Matic four-wheel drive and suspension and a nicely downplayed image - is very much the same as the C43 and, indeed, the rest of the new junior AMG range that'll use versions of this engine. Until such time as the Drift Mode enhanced E63 estate is confirmed (the smirks when asked about it on the saloon launch suggest it's 'when' and not 'if') this is currently the most potent E-Class estate available and gains a nominal power boost over the 367hp C43. Torque remains the same at 384lb ft though, indicating this is more a question of maintaining the E-Class's hierarchy in the range/offsetting the near two-tonne kerbweight.

Bit of something extra
Starting at £58,290 the E43 estate is two grand more than the equivalent saloon and a step up from the £47,700 (give or take) of the AMG Line E350d and E350e hybrid equivalents. As and when the E63 appears it'll still represent a healthy saving over the V8 flagship though, Mercedes keen to emphasise this is a still a bona fide AMG and a definite step up from the branded addenda you can stick on your E220d.

Good luck idenitfying the AMG in this weather!
Good luck idenitfying the AMG in this weather!
So you get an AMG specific 31:69 front to rear torque split for the 4Matic four-wheel drive system, now available on right-hand drive models by virtue of being a standalone module added to the 9G-Tronic gearbox rather than integrated into the casing as it was on the previous seven-speed. This apparently gives AMG greater scope for tuning the system to suit the car and market. Indeed, for non-AMG 4Matics sold elsewhere the split is 44:55, like many of its type the system essentially adding a transfer case and front propshaft to an intrinsically rear-wheel drive layout and bleeding off torque to the front wheels when needed. The aim of course is to keep the characteristic rear-driven balance customers are used to but with all weather traction and less of the implied 'scariness' of traditional rear-wheel drive.

As in the C-Class though there seems to be some clunkiness in the application of the system. In the C43 we noticed some chuntering on full lock and at low speeds, such as pulling out of parking spaces. In the E43 it's arguably even more noticeable, the front wheels 'skipping' as if there's some transmission wind or a locked diff somewhere in the system. Interestingly the Porsche Panamera 4 S we've got in at the moment does the same thing, albeit to a lesser extent and Mercedes is promising to get back to us since raising the issue. If the E43 had the E63's Drift Mode we could have disengaged the AWD system to see if that's the root cause but, sadly, there isn't the option. Maybe AMG could add it as a 'Parking Mode' instead!

Not the full nutter V8, but not found wanting either
Not the full nutter V8, but not found wanting either
Other than that...
It's only noticeable because the rest of the E-Class package is so typically refined and assured. This is very much Mercedes in its comfort zone and it shows, the cabin lavish and opulent in the firm's current style. Compared with the W124-influenced severity of the previous E-Class (especially the pre-facelift cars) it's borderline chintzy but has substance and functional rigour to back it up. The widescreen and endlessly configurable display is impressive too and finally addresses the standalone tablet style screen, hatred of which seems to have dominated PH debate following any Mercedes review of the last few years.

Is it worthy of the AMG badges though? Well it's not a slow car, that's for sure! Benchmarks like the 4.7-second 0-62 time are suitably impressive, that being just a tenth slower than the 6.2-litre V8-powered E63 estate of the previous W212 generation. It makes less of a performance of its performance though, the twin-turbo V6 smooth and refined with just a hint of aural attitude via the exhausts and - we're assuming because the C43 does this - the speakers too. As these systems go it's reasonably convincing. It'll never match the instant response of the big cube motors like the 6.2 or even the current 4.0 V8 but once spooled up the V6 has strong mid-range and the kind of useful performance that makes short work of slip road sprints and the rest.

Another very nice AMG 43 product!
Another very nice AMG 43 product!
In the current AMG style there are driver modes and configurability galore, the E43 using multi-chamber air springs branded Air Body Control. This is tuned by AMG and paired with uprated components like new steering knuckles, stiffer bushes and retuned geometry with more negative camber up front and the like. The differences between AMG-lite and the full fat versions are evident here though, there being the odd tremble through the structure over harsher bumps you wouldn't get in an E63. Like the C43, this is very much an eight tenths car, not one to be pushed to the limit. You get that from the gearbox too, which screams away holding low gears in the sportier settings trying to contrive a sense of urgency. In fact it's much better quietly shuffling through the nine ratios available to feast on the mid-range drive - manual override and/or the configurable Individual mode are your allies in this.

Driven thus it's a very effective, fast and comfortable way to cover ground. The traction advantage of the 4Matic system is more subtly deployed under way, the E43 having the all-weather pulling power of a fast Audi without the nose-heaviness. In the best possible sense this is a 'making progress' kind of car, with a pleasing sense of maturity and just enough attitude to keep you interested. This, combined with the understated looks, make it a very appealing combination of practicality and under the radar performance.


MERCEDES-AMG E43 4MATIC ESTATE
Engine
: 2,996cc, V6 turbocharged
Transmission: 9G-Tronic Plus, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 401@6,100rpm
Torque (lb ft): 384@2,500-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.7sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,930kg (EU with driver)
MPG: 33.6 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 197g/km
Price: £58,290 (£62,480 as tested comprising of Premium package including Keyless Go, Memory package and Panoramic glass sunroof for £2,795, Burmester surround sound system for £750 and Obsidian black metallic paint for £645)

 

 


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GranCab

Original Poster:

2,902 posts

145 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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" As in the C-Class though there seems to be some clunkiness in the application of the system. In the C43 we noticed some low-speed chuntering on full lock and at low speeds, such as pulling out of parking spaces. In the E43 it's arguably even more noticeable, the front wheels 'skipping' as if there's some transmission wind or a locked diff somewhere in the system. Interestingly the Porsche Panamera 4 S we've got in at the moment does the same thing, albeit to a lesser extent and Mercedes is promising to get back to us since raising the issue "

Apparently this is also a problem with the GLC 4Matics as well, there are forums discussing it e.g. Honest John.

My C43 does it at low speeds and @ 3/4 to full lock - it seems worse on low friction surfaces too.

I have had many 4WD cars in the past such as a B9 RS4 and S4, R35 GT-R plus 3 Range Rovers and 2 Discos and never encountered such a "phenomenon" - even the hard core GT-R didn't grumble anything like as much at low speed manoeuvres.

Cyb3rDud3

198 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Very interesting that this is picking up the crabbing as well. Mercedes continues to deny a fix.

GLC
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/201...
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mercedes-benz...

C class
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mercedes-benz...

Shame that they have dropped the ball so much.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Wow, just been onto the mercedes website to play with the configurator- it's as st as the BMW one is good... as a first point of contact with the brand it's pretty disappointing. I'm sure the car is fantastic in the real world mind. I just don't think I could wait long enough for each page to load. Tested some other, manufacturer's sites alongside and it's an issue with their site not my computer. SLOOWWWWW.

GranCab

Original Poster:

2,902 posts

145 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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I gather that the "crabbing" at low speed isn't such a problem with LHD cars ....

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Dan. Will PH be picking up the ball with the crabbing issue with Mercedes? As well as the HJ link we have PHers with the issue on various Mercedes.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

167 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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hornetrider said:
Dan. Will PH be picking up the ball with the crabbing issue with Mercedes? As well as the HJ link we have PHers with the issue on various Mercedes.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
We are in discussion with them currently and awaiting official response. I think it's safe to say there's an 'awareness' at MBUK though and it's useful having that forum link so thanks for that. If there's anyone else with experience of the problem please pitch in as the more information there is the better. For what it's worth the closest I've experienced to it is when I've 'locked' the diff on a DCCD equipped Subaru and tried to make a low speed turn! In the E-Class I could also feel the steering weight up just before it happened, so you'd go from normal light off-centre, suddenly 'stiff' and then the chunter from the front axle. It's not isolated to Mercedes - I can think of several AWD models I've also experienced it in (Porsche Panamera and 911 Turbo, Nissan GT-R, AWD F-Type, etc...) but it's by far the most dramatic in the C43 and E43 we've had in on test. You'd perhaps indulge a 911 Turbo or GT-R with a degree of 'tightness' in the diffs but I find it hard to believe this would be considered optimal in a vehicle like a GLC, C-Class or E-Class, even one with AMG branding.

Soon as we have something official from them we'll make some noise on the homepage but, suffice to say, there is a conversation taking place.

Cheers,

Dan


hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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GranCab

Original Poster:

2,902 posts

145 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Thanks Dan, it doesn't bother me too much but it is an odd phenomenon ... almost like the diff isn't doing its job properly.

From what I've read on the forums, dealers and MBUK are dragging their collective heels on this one !

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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MikeGoodwin

3,323 posts

116 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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My megane 275 does this... I know thats off topic.

Cyb3rDud3

198 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Wills2 said:
Yup that is my car frown A GLC43.

@Dan - I'm quietly confident that Mercedes UK will issue a statement along these lines which is what they give us owners.


Dale487

1,334 posts

122 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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I've heard of Porsche 911s (no sure if it's the 4 wheel drive only that are affected or not) front wheels skipping or bouncing when reversing with lock applied. The explanation given was that on full lock the right & left wheels didn't remain parallel to each other, so the car was "dragging" one of the wheels.


Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

178 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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The description sounds like something our company Range Rover Evoque was doing before a software update. I'll watch the video when I'm home out of interest.

I like the E43 a lot so it would be a shame if this problem is as bad as it sounds.

Gerber1

126 posts

91 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Lack of Ackerman angle is it not? Every Porsche with large wheels I've driven has done this.

carlpea

381 posts

138 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Gerber1 said:
Lack of Ackerman angle is it not? Every Porsche with large wheels I've driven has done this.
My Jaguar XFR does it as well (As severe as the YouTube Video above) and is RWD.

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Gerber1 said:
Lack of Ackerman angle is it not? Every Porsche with large wheels I've driven has done this.
I've never had this any Porsche I've driven, my 911 never did this nor any of the 997/991 cars I drove at the PEC or any of the loan boxsters I had when the car was in for servicing.



Vroom101

828 posts

132 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Cyb3rDud3 said:
Wills2 said:
Yup that is my car frown A GLC43.

@Dan - I'm quietly confident that Mercedes UK will issue a statement along these lines which is what they give us owners.


That looks terrible! To my eyes it almost looks like the wheel is loose on the hub! Very surprised that Mercedes say this is acceptable. Although that letter does sound like a Customer Services Dept fob off, and more than likely somewhere within in MB someone is getting their arse kicked to find a 'solution' to this non existent problem which will be quietly rolled out. rolleyes

MSF21

32 posts

96 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Bloody hell thats awful
How can MBUK not see the huge own goal they have created by denying there is an issue?

ben5575

6,221 posts

220 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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My CLA 4matic does it as well, so you can add this platform to the E and C classes...

ben5575

6,221 posts

220 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Back to the review, I'm a reading that right? An AMG with fake noise through the speakers? eekrolleyesvomit

FFS is nothing sacred? mad