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Zad said:
It is >very< annoying about them nerfing BM hunters! I'm doing 2900dps or so with good buffs, but am seeing others do 5000+ in raids, with 'locks and DKs doing far more than I can ever hope for. Quite why they think we should be doing less than these people, I don't know. they do seem to have been trialling it on the Test Realm for a considerable amount of time now, so let us hope that by the time 3.0.8 goes live, they will have moderated it.
How have you found your DPS 3.0.8? My BM spec hunter mate is not a happy bunny! He's lost over 300dps, and is saying the hunter forums have gone mad with people moaning about steady shot down 10%, volley down 30%, etc. and that the only decent spec to raid with is now survival.Yes, its a pretty horrible nerf, the 30% off Volley has made it pretty much useless in AoE situations, now it seems only to exist to draw monsters attention to that squidgy chain-wearing Hunter 20 yards away. 10% may not seem much off Steady Shot, but it has really nobbled the damage my pet does (I use a Raptor - people with Cats and Scorpids are even more annoyed). I was usually around 5th highest DPS in an Archavon 25-main raid. This week I was 10th, with my DPS down around 1/3rd. And that was with better equipment from the Wintergrasp vendor - okay, its PvP gear but still a bit better than my existing PvE and gemmed up too.
I have been looking at going 50-14-7 hybrid spec but, from what I read, Survival Spec does seem like it might be better. That might well mean re-gemming and enchanting though.
I have been looking at going 50-14-7 hybrid spec but, from what I read, Survival Spec does seem like it might be better. That might well mean re-gemming and enchanting though.
FunkyNige said:
How have you found your DPS 3.0.8? My BM spec hunter mate is not a happy bunny! He's lost over 300dps, and is saying the hunter forums have gone mad with people moaning about steady shot down 10%, volley down 30%, etc. and that the only decent spec to raid with is now survival.
Mine down from 3.5 to 2.5k dps. And what did they do to my readiness talent too.. Ball sacks.DK's and Fury warriors seems a bit OTT.
Edited by scorp on Monday 26th January 08:30
JonRB said:
Gun_840 said:
I will admit though both are quite geeky, but Second Life is more geeky than WoW.
Well, s
t. That's like saying that Stalin was slightly less of a bd than Hitler. 
Can't be bothered grinding for things for 10 hours a day.. This is what other students are for
Edited by scorp on Monday 26th January 09:07
scorp said:
FunkyNige said:
How have you found your DPS 3.0.8? My BM spec hunter mate is not a happy bunny! He's lost over 300dps, and is saying the hunter forums have gone mad with people moaning about steady shot down 10%, volley down 30%, etc. and that the only decent spec to raid with is now survival.
Mine down from 3.5 to 2.5k dps. And what did they do to my readiness talent too.. Ball sacks.DK's and Fury warriors seems a bit OTT.
Edited by scorp on Monday 26th January 08:30
Hunters were, relative to gear, doing more damage than intended but losing 1/3 of your damage is rediculous.
Given that Fury war's and DK's don't do huge AOE damage you should probably only compare single target DPS rather than trash where your tank is happy holing a pack of nasties for the hunters and mages to unleash aoe splattery though.
My Prot War spent a little while Fury and it is an awesome fun spec though! Looking forwards to dual-specs, not sure if my war or Pally will take the bask-seat at that point thoguh!
IainT said:
Given that Fury war's and DK's don't do huge AOE damage you should probably only compare single target DPS rather than trash where your tank is happy holing a pack of nasties for the hunters and mages to unleash aoe splattery though.
Yeah this is single target stuff (raid boss) i'm quoting from. Hunters, like mages, suffer mana exhaustion too in these situations, were dks and fury warriors just keep dishing it.I do like to moan about it though, i put 21 points in MM just to get readiness (reset all talent cooldowns), and i used it reset bestial wrath (a 20 sec enrage). They stopped readiness doing specifically that, so yeah, my BM/MM spec is doubly useless now
Can't moan too much, still in the top 3 in our 25mans for damage. Warlocks seems to be really strong now too, about time.
scorp said:
IainT said:
Given that Fury war's and DK's don't do huge AOE damage you should probably only compare single target DPS rather than trash where your tank is happy holing a pack of nasties for the hunters and mages to unleash aoe splattery though.
Yeah this is single target stuff (raid boss) i'm quoting from. Hunters, like mages, suffer mana exhaustion too in these situations, were dks and fury warriors just keep dishing it.I do like to moan about it though, i put 21 points in MM just to get readiness (reset all talent cooldowns), and i used it reset bestial wrath (a 20 sec enrage). They stopped readiness doing specifically that, so yeah, my BM/MM spec is doubly useless now
Can't moan too much, still in the top 3 in our 25mans for damage. Warlocks seems to be really strong now too, about time.
- lol* I remember, back when I first played WoW and rolled my mage, that everyone were QQing about how OP 'locks were.
As long as there is enough parity to grant Raid spots to all reasonable builds then I think Bliz have done a good job. It should always be about the player not the character although you'll always get the min-maxxing crowd that will be strict on builds and raid make-up.
Our ethos is all about having fun playing what you want but even we would, politely I hope, suggest a guildy go and review their spec or play-style if it meant that they didn't fulfill the minimum expected in a raid slot. Then again - raiding requires a minimum effort from anyone compared to casually questing your way accross Northrend!
I'm only moaning because it's fashionable, not disrupting any raids I'm on.. (well that might have something to do with me leading them.. - 2.5k dps is still acceptable for my hunter main)
Currently getting my our asses handed to us by those 4 bloody horsemen in naxx10 and sartharion (1 dragon up = omg!)
- 2.5k dps is still acceptable for my hunter main) Currently getting my our asses handed to us by those 4 bloody horsemen in naxx10 and sartharion (1 dragon up = omg!)
Edited by scorp on Monday 26th January 17:00
downthepub said:
Gone back to my Warlock, just got level 30 and the associated horsey. Got First-Aid and Cooking up to 150, after doing a Google would appear that I have to fanny about getting books from randoms on other continents in order to continue levelling those professions!
First aid is fun, there is a quest in arathi highlands you do to unlock one of the books (triage or smth).Cooking is very easy, just go to place, buy book. Fishing helps speed up cooking also (and helps with gathering recipe materials).
Edited by scorp on Tuesday 27th January 08:37
scorp said:
I'm only moaning because it's fashionable, not disrupting any raids I'm on.. (well that might have something to do with me leading them.. - 2.5k dps is still acceptable for my hunter main)
Currently getting my our asses handed to us by those 4 bloody horsemen in naxx10 and sartharion (1 dragon up = omg!)
Only hit Sarth once, no drakes up and it was a bag full of Win. Well, on the 4th attempt with PoV zoomed waaaaay out! - 2.5k dps is still acceptable for my hunter main) Currently getting my our asses handed to us by those 4 bloody horsemen in naxx10 and sartharion (1 dragon up = omg!)
You might find BRK's latest on post 3.0.8 BM interesting... http://www.bigredkitty.net/2009/01/22/mission-impo...
IainT said:
Only hit Sarth once, no drakes up and it was a bag full of Win. Well, on the 4th attempt with PoV zoomed waaaaay out!
Try with 1 dragon, it's about 50 times harder. What with lava waves, a huge 100 ft tall fire breathing, cleaving, tail swiping dragon, a drake boss (who lands after a minute), a portal (with a miniboss inside it), red aura st on the floor and 25 enraged fire elementals chewing on your healers and dps, all your 4 tanks will be dead within seconds of the drake landing.. (after a min or two) Did i mention the drake gives everyone a debuff too ? (like -25% health or something..)After a few very brutal and sudden wipes (in 25man) we decided to do it the easy way..
Thanks for the link, will check it when i have time (although it looks like its for pure BM spec..)
Edited by scorp on Tuesday 27th January 13:02
Edited by scorp on Tuesday 27th January 13:04
scorp said:
IainT said:
Only hit Sarth once, no drakes up and it was a bag full of Win. Well, on the 4th attempt with PoV zoomed waaaaay out!
Try with 1 dragon, it's about 50 times harder. What with lava waves, a huge 100 ft tall fire breathing, cleaving, tail swiping dragon, a drake boss (who lands after a minute), a portal (with a miniboss inside it), red aura st on the floor and 25 enraged fire elementals chewing on your healers and dps, all your 4 tanks will be dead within seconds of the drake landing.. (after a min or two) Did i mention the drake gives everyone a debuff too ? (like -25% health or something..)After a few very brutal and sudden wipes (in 25man) we decided to do it the easy way..
Thanks for the link, will check it when i have time (although it looks like its for pure BM spec..)
IainT said:
If we had a pop at leaving any drakes up it's be on 10-man - we're not big enough to do 25's yet! Apparently leaving drakes up on 10-man is significantly harder than on 25 - usual Bliz balance issues. At least we have 10-man raid progression available to us now though!
Same story in 10 man... Not sure how to balance the tanks for this fight, seems there is a lot of stuff to tank! (main boss, sub boss, mini-boss in portal, and the bloody elementals..)Doing naxxramas yet ?
scorp said:
IainT said:
If we had a pop at leaving any drakes up it's be on 10-man - we're not big enough to do 25's yet! Apparently leaving drakes up on 10-man is significantly harder than on 25 - usual Bliz balance issues. At least we have 10-man raid progression available to us now though!
Same story in 10 man... Not sure how to balance the tanks for this fight, seems there is a lot of stuff to tank! (main boss, sub boss, mini-boss in portal, and the bloody elementals..)Doing naxxramas yet ?
IainT said:
We're sticking to the simpler fights while we get everyone up to speed. Our DPS are lagging behind a little in preparation and the complexity of the fights in Naxx doesn't need making any harder by having dps slacking < 1500!
Noth and Hiegan don't need 1500+ dps to beat (Heigan can be 3-4 manned)...Some of the fights are complicated, hope you saved up for the repair bill
scorp said:
IainT said:
We're sticking to the simpler fights while we get everyone up to speed. Our DPS are lagging behind a little in preparation and the complexity of the fights in Naxx doesn't need making any harder by having dps slacking < 1500!
Noth and Hiegan don't need 1500+ dps to beat (Heigan can be 3-4 manned)...Some of the fights are complicated, hope you saved up for the repair bill
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