Minecraft - £8 Very well spent

Minecraft - £8 Very well spent

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isee

3,713 posts

182 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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All that jazz said:
There is no "ditching" at all. People are still playing on it - there were several players on there yesterday for example. The problem with Minecraft in general is there is not enough depth to it and so once you've got all your top enchants and a few stacks of diamond blocks there is really no point to it anymore unless you have a creative mind and enjoy building stuff. I can see Tekkit being the same after a while, but it has more depth to it and more stuff to do. Personally I've played BC (Buildcraft) and EE (Equivalent Exchange) before, albeit early versions without all the stuff they have in them now, and yeah it's fun for a while but once you had a few quarries running and your transmutation tables set up to turn it all into diamonds and high level stuff it quickly got boring. I've not played with IC (IndustrialCraft) or RP (RedPower) stuff before so a good 50% of the stuff in Tekkit is new to me and it's pretty good fun.
Agree with that. To those who don't want to challenge tehmselves with complicated machines, Tekkit has even less staying power than vanilla minecraft, because you can get yourself a stack of diamond blocks within about a day.
You need a creative or puzzle-solving mind to stay on tekkit really. For example, you think that my solar array factory was an achievement, yet it is a little more than an assortment of simple departements coerced into working together to produce a sum of its parts. I on the other hand am completely lost at the idea of building a COMPUTER within minecraft, which can then be programmed into automatically working a nuclear reactor. Wouldn't even know where to start!

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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isee said:
Agree with that. To those who don't want to challenge tehmselves with complicated machines, Tekkit has even less staying power than vanilla minecraft, because you can get yourself a stack of diamond blocks within about a day.
You need a creative or puzzle-solving mind to stay on tekkit really. For example, you think that my solar array factory was an achievement, yet it is a little more than an assortment of simple departements coerced into working together to produce a sum of its parts. I on the other hand am completely lost at the idea of building a COMPUTER within minecraft, which can then be programmed into automatically working a nuclear reactor. Wouldn't even know where to start!
Well.. I was educating myself last night (quiet at the back there..) watching some YT vids on pneumatic pipes and RP stuff and now see that it's nowhere near as complicated as I first thought! In fact it's pretty simple, but to see it all in action with stuff seemingly flowing randomly everywhere makes it look really complicated. It's certainly more "intelligent" that BC pipes, that is for sure.

Mini1275

11,098 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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isee said:
All that jazz said:
There is now, he put it back on. I can add mini if you have no objections Yev?
Thanks, added Mini to whitelist already
Cheers thumbup.

Mini1275

11,098 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Right, before I go exploring the server should I be aware of anything that's going to blow me up?.

hehe

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Right.. I see comments in my server log about how Tekkit is too complicated and people don't know what they're doing, where to start etc. Thought I'd try and put something together here as a bit of guide to get you going. It's by no means comprehensive, I am still new to it myself but this is what I did to get going, with a lot of guidance from both Yev (isee) and Mike (schmeeky) in particular.

1. I think most people will want to "level up" and get the good gear ASAP. The quickest and arguably easiest way of doing this is by mainly using the EE and IC elements of the game. EE is based on an EMC system (Energy-Matter Currency) where 95% of all items and blocks have an EMC value and you swap and exchange them about to get the stuff you want. The more 'precious' the item, the higher the EMC value, eg. dirt, cobble etc has an EMC value of 1; wood is 4; obsidian is 64; diamond gem has an EMC of 8192, etc. You can see what the EMC value of any item is by hovering your mouse over it. By using EE you can transmute all your worthless dirt and cobble into EMC to have enough to make expensive stuff like diamonds which are used in most of the higher end machines.

2. the first thing you need to do is get some power to your base. The most basic way of doing this is by installing a Generator. You power it by normal fuels and it generates power. A better and much more efficient way of getting power is by seeking out a Volcano then pumping the lava out into storage tanks which are connected to a geo-thermal generator. If you find a surface lava lake or a substantial lava caverns or ravine then this would be useless to pump out too. You will need a pump, Waterproof pipes and some storage tanks. There's a basic tutorial here on how to do it. Once you have your geo-thermal genny running or your standard genny, you need to hook up a batbox to them to store the energy.

3. you now need to get a macerator connected to your batbox to grind all your ores. What these do is give you 2 dust per ore. So for example if you mine an iron ore block, normally you would chuck it in a furnace and get 1 iron ingot back. With the macerator, it will turn the ore block into 2 dust which you then put in a furnace and turns into 2 ingots. These work on all ores except Tungsten (read the wiki link for more info).

4. upgrade your oven(s) asap. An iron oven is faster and 25% more fuel efficient than a normal stone oven, but if you can afford an electric oven do so (and aim for induction ovens later).

5. now you've got the basics running, you need to get an energy collector and condenser set up. These are really important in how fast you "level up" in the game. What the energy collector does is turn light into energy (EMC), so free EMC for nothing, basically. You hook these up to energy condensers. Energy condensers are 1 of 2 ways of turning items (EMC) into something else. Say for example you had a redstone dust (EMC value 64) and wanted to make more, but you only have dirt and cobble in your inventory. You place your redstone in the top left slot on the condenser and when hooked up to a collector the energy being created by the collector would start flowing into the condenser and slowly start producing more of your targetted item (the redstone in this example). But, if you want to speed up the process you can also drop in items with an EMC value and it will use those items to make more redstone. So if you drop in a full stack of dirt (1 EMC value each = 64 for the stack) then that is equal to the EMC of 1 redstone dust and so you would instantly get 1 redstone in exchange for the stack of dirt. The tier 1 energy collector produces 4 EMC per second, so using the redstone example it would produce 1 redstone dust every 16 seconds.

You should upgrade your energy collectors as soon as you have the resources to do so. The tier 3 collectors produce 40 EMC per second! If you hook up some anti-matter relays that makes them even faster, but that's beyond the scope of this beginner's guide spin.

Another excellent thing to do is to place a world anchor near your collector/condenser set-up. What this does is keeps the chunk permanently loaded so that it continues to produce EMC/items even when you're not logged on.

6. while you're waiting for your collector/condenser set-up to do its thing, it's worthwhile going mining at the lower levels for high EMC stuff like gems (diamond, sapphire, emerald, ruby), silver, tungsten, nikolite which you can dump into your condenser to make your targetted items faster.

7. once you have a sizeable amount of EMC stored in items you can then look at upgrading your power source to a MFE for 600,000 EU storage and is equivalent to 15 batboxes. Remember to insert a tranformer next to it before hooking the pipes up to your machines as it will blow up your machines otherwise. At the same time replace all your cables with Fibre-glass cables and then look at upgrading to an induction furnace or 2, rotary macerators, compressors and extractors.

Beyond this there all sorts of options available to you for power, HV solar arrays, nuclear reactors etc.

I mentioned in #5 that energy condensers are 1 of 2 ways of making items from other items (EMC). You can also use a transmutation tablet to do this. Basically it's an EMC store of all your items (either matter or fuel, not both, so if you're storing blocks and items in it you can't store coal, redstone, gunpowder, glowstone in it as they are considered as fuels in this mod). You can teach the table every item you collect and then if you need that item later on you can just pull it from the table. It negates the need for having tons of chests full of items everywhere. To teach it items, place the item in the left matrix and it should come up "learned!" down the middle (mine didn't for some reason, but it did learn them okay). Do that for every item you get then place everything in the flames in the bottom centre. You will see your EMC value go up whenever you put something in, eg. dropping in a stack of dirt will increase the EMC value by 64. To get items back out you use the right matrix. Shift click on the item you want and it will put a full stack of that item in your inventory, assuming you have enough EMC stored in it to do so. If you don't see the item you want and you know that you've already taught it to the table then it will hiding on another tier. This is the main problem with them, they are cumbersome to use when you have a lot of items in them. Basically the right matrix shows items in EMC order showing the highest level EMC stuff first. To get to your cobble (for example) you need to drag the lowest value EMC item from each 'tier' of the matrix to the centre and this will then bring up the next tier down until you eventually get to the tier with the cobble on irked. However, an easier way of getting a stack of cobble is keeping 1 of every item in a chest close by and then grabbing that item and inserting it into the centre position on the right matrix - this will target the cobble block at the top centre and you can shift click a stack into your inventory. Of course, you can also use your condenser for this, but it still requires you to have at least 1 of the item to hand somewhere to target the item you want.

Finally, you won't get far in this game without the Tekkit Wiki. Until you learn the basic recipes of all the regularly used stuff you will need to refer to it pretty much all the time. You can click on items in the crafting squares to show you the recipes of each individual items. In the beginning you'll be making a lot of RE-batteries, insulated copper wire, electrical circuits, machines and cables. It's a good idea to get a rubber tree farm going and make a few tree taps to extract the sticky resin as you'll need a lot of them to make the rubber for the wires. Sticky resin needs to go through an extractor and will produce 3 rubber pieces per sticky resin piece. Rubber tree wood in a furnace only produces 1 rubber per block.

Hope that helps. spin

Merp

2,220 posts

251 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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I hope you didn't write all that on an iPhone!!
Mind boggling!

Aiten

540 posts

189 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Errrr, just crashed ...I've not stolen your stuff ATJ

isee

3,713 posts

182 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Nice work Rob!
good guide

Mini1275

11,098 posts

181 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Thanks Rob, that's a big help for a Minetard like me.

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callmedave

2,686 posts

144 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Nice one Rob,

Given me some cool ideas what im gonna do now! smile

Callmedave

isee

3,713 posts

182 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Test, passed! been offline for 2 days and the number of HV panels has definately increased! smile

13312 solar panels made!

Great job on the alloy factory lads. I like the little industrail estate we have popping up there smile

Want to get started on the MFSU factory today, let me know what time suits?

cH3wY

287 posts

144 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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I am ok using a world anchor for a couple of hours on and off? I am not sure how much lag these create?

Just got my first quarry going and want to speed the process up as I plan on excavating a large area. I've also had a little tidy around spawn, cleaned up some creeper holes and started a path smile

Whats the glass that just floats in the air there?

Gun

13,431 posts

217 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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isee][url said:
Great job on the alloy factory lads. I like the little industrail estate we have popping up there smile

Want to get started on the MFSU factory today, let me know what time suits?
No probs, I'm going to try and build one that makes advanced machine blocks as well, otherwise we're going to be overrun with carbon plates and advanced alloy!

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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isee said:


Test, passed! been offline for 2 days and the number of HV panels has definately increased! smile

13312 solar panels made!

Great job on the alloy factory lads. I like the little industrail estate we have popping up there smile

Want to get started on the MFSU factory today, let me know what time suits?
Nice one Yev. Gun takes all the credit for the factories, I was just supervising wink. I did however notice that the RP2 pneumatic pipes were short-lived in the advanced alloy factory and is now running on BC pipes.. what's the story behind that? There's going to be some severe overflow-items-all-over-floor issues soon when those chests get full Matt.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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cH3wY said:
I am ok using a world anchor for a couple of hours on and off? I am not sure how much lag these create?

Just got my first quarry going and want to speed the process up as I plan on excavating a large area. I've also had a little tidy around spawn, cleaned up some creeper holes and started a path smile

Whats the glass that just floats in the air there?
World anchor is fine to use all the time. It's no different to you being logged in yourself so won't create any additional lag. You do need to make sure your chests won't overflow if you're using BC pipes on your quarry though. If they end up overflowing and depositing items all over the floor it will eventually crash the server and possibly corrupt the world depending on how bad the overflow is.

I think the floaty glass you're referring to is the remnants of Yev's base that got destroyed. That could be cleaned up in approx 10 seconds with my destruction catalyst on max if you have no objections Yev.

Gun

13,431 posts

217 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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All that jazz said:
Nice one Yev. Gun takes all the credit for the factories, I was just supervising wink. I did however notice that the RP2 pneumatic pipes were short-lived in the advanced alloy factory and is now running on BC pipes.. what's the story behind that? There's going to be some severe overflow-items-all-over-floor issues soon when those chests get full Matt.
Couldn't get it working at first but I think I know why now, think I just needed and extra timer. Does anyone know if you can connect teleport pipes to the redstone/ pneumatic tubes?

Mr Happy

5,694 posts

219 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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I decided to buy this after reading AllThatJazz' post regarding Tekkit, any chance of adding me to the whitelist?

MrHappyUK

(original, I know!)

Gun

13,431 posts

217 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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The industrial estate is taking shape!


All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Who has left signs in our base telling us to remove the crystal chests?

Gun

13,431 posts

217 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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All that jazz said:
Who has left signs in our base telling us to remove the crystal chests?
Me, apparently anything in them is essentially on the floor and they can cause lag, I had to replace all my iron chests.