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Just had a couple of ace wins in the Jpanther, the RNG has been kind to me tonight. In the last match, an encounter on Lakeville, I took a Spartan, Sniper and Mastery badge: II class 80%, and only destroyed one tank. However, I also inflicted 1593 damage on a single Lowe - not bad when my alpha damage is 240 a shot, and I tracked the beast twice! I was sitting on the ridge over the lake, looking onto the city, using my newly acquired binoculars and camouflage to wreak havoc. Eventually, two Black Princes came down the path, forcing me to reverse while firing on them. I killed one, and whittled the other down, my team sitting on cap picked him off as he moved between the buildings. I finished the match by hitting a Tiger in the lower glacis from the front and bouncing his shot with a sliver of health left as my team captured the objective and won the match. I had a bit of a shake on as that match ended I tell you!
This is by far the best multiplayer game ever made. I can't believe it's free. I know the fact it's free is a massive part of it's success (despite being massively popular, the slow pace and tactical nature no doubt put people off, of the people I know who've played it, half love it and half can't see what the fuss is about), if it became a full price released I'd happily pay it if it meant more maps and more tanks.
This is by far the best multiplayer game ever made. I can't believe it's free. I know the fact it's free is a massive part of it's success (despite being massively popular, the slow pace and tactical nature no doubt put people off, of the people I know who've played it, half love it and half can't see what the fuss is about), if it became a full price released I'd happily pay it if it meant more maps and more tanks.
So I should take it as a compliment when am targeted, yes usually in Matilda and do have over 2000 games in it so that is probably it.
Shall have to play differerent tanks, just feel at home playing this tank.
Totally agree Mastadon2, this is a great game and would be even if we had to buy it.
Been playing since Amiga 500 days and yet have to come across a more addictive game, only one that comes close for me was Colin Mcrae 4 and even that was not half as addictive and got boring after a while.
One cannot call this game boring as every game is different and the fact you are playing against a real person and his strategy makes it so much more challenging.
Shall have to play differerent tanks, just feel at home playing this tank.
Totally agree Mastadon2, this is a great game and would be even if we had to buy it.
Been playing since Amiga 500 days and yet have to come across a more addictive game, only one that comes close for me was Colin Mcrae 4 and even that was not half as addictive and got boring after a while.
One cannot call this game boring as every game is different and the fact you are playing against a real person and his strategy makes it so much more challenging.
Be careful with the IS8 - it plays very differently to the IS3.
If you're used to waltzing up and using the armour of the IS3 you're in for a big shock as the E75's and TD's will tear you apart - in fact the mediums can give you a pretty good run for your money too. Play it more like a medium and you'll get somewhere - I hated it at first but eventually dragged its win rate up to 51%
If you're used to waltzing up and using the armour of the IS3 you're in for a big shock as the E75's and TD's will tear you apart - in fact the mediums can give you a pretty good run for your money too. Play it more like a medium and you'll get somewhere - I hated it at first but eventually dragged its win rate up to 51%
sleepezy said:
Be careful with the IS8 - it plays very differently to the IS3.
If you're used to waltzing up and using the armour of the IS3 you're in for a big shock as the E75's and TD's will tear you apart - in fact the mediums can give you a pretty good run for your money too. Play it more like a medium and you'll get somewhere - I hated it at first but eventually dragged its win rate up to 51%
Very much this, and you cant angle it to get bounces.If you're used to waltzing up and using the armour of the IS3 you're in for a big shock as the E75's and TD's will tear you apart - in fact the mediums can give you a pretty good run for your money too. Play it more like a medium and you'll get somewhere - I hated it at first but eventually dragged its win rate up to 51%
Very much a marmite tank
eatcustard said:
sleepezy said:
Be careful with the IS8 - it plays very differently to the IS3.
If you're used to waltzing up and using the armour of the IS3 you're in for a big shock as the E75's and TD's will tear you apart - in fact the mediums can give you a pretty good run for your money too. Play it more like a medium and you'll get somewhere - I hated it at first but eventually dragged its win rate up to 51%
Very much this, and you cant angle it to get bounces.If you're used to waltzing up and using the armour of the IS3 you're in for a big shock as the E75's and TD's will tear you apart - in fact the mediums can give you a pretty good run for your money too. Play it more like a medium and you'll get somewhere - I hated it at first but eventually dragged its win rate up to 51%
Very much a marmite tank
I've unlocked the comet (?) but heard it doenst play quite the same.but currently going to turn my new 3601 into a tiger .
Still looking for a good td line?
From memory there are two guns on the 3601H worth bothering with. There is one which has around a 220 alpha and 130 pen and another with a higher pen (160ish) & higher rate of fire but lower alpha, which is probably still referred to as a Konisch. Cant remember the gun designations, but hopefully that gets you close.
I found that both can be effective, although generally preferred & got better results with the higher penetrating Konisch. The 220 alpha is tempting, and certainly looks the part mounted on the tank, but bounces a lot when facing similar and higher tier tanks. The konisch, with its high ROF and Pen / low alpha combination is probably now also a good trainer for the Tiger, whose top 88mm has similar characteristics.
Any of the Soviet, German or US TD lines are very good so you won't go far wrong with any of them. The Brit and French lines are a bit quirky though, in my experience. Personally I would recommend the Soviet line up to the Object 268, there isn't a weak tank in that line up starting from the SU-85B at tier 4, and with the derp guns at most tiers it can be great fun too.
All that said I'm not sure what lines you have played in Medium or Heavy tanks, and you might find that there is a cross over in terms of engines, radio's etc that will save you some grinding if you go up the TD line in the same nation - that is also a consideration. Unfortunately TD's tend not to have the same guns as their Medium and Heavy peers so there is little opportunity to share research on those.
I found that both can be effective, although generally preferred & got better results with the higher penetrating Konisch. The 220 alpha is tempting, and certainly looks the part mounted on the tank, but bounces a lot when facing similar and higher tier tanks. The konisch, with its high ROF and Pen / low alpha combination is probably now also a good trainer for the Tiger, whose top 88mm has similar characteristics.
Any of the Soviet, German or US TD lines are very good so you won't go far wrong with any of them. The Brit and French lines are a bit quirky though, in my experience. Personally I would recommend the Soviet line up to the Object 268, there isn't a weak tank in that line up starting from the SU-85B at tier 4, and with the derp guns at most tiers it can be great fun too.
All that said I'm not sure what lines you have played in Medium or Heavy tanks, and you might find that there is a cross over in terms of engines, radio's etc that will save you some grinding if you go up the TD line in the same nation - that is also a consideration. Unfortunately TD's tend not to have the same guns as their Medium and Heavy peers so there is little opportunity to share research on those.
Ah ok, played the kv-1 heavy line, and british medium & heavies to t6 + the german to the 3601, bunch of other lower tier stuff.
May give the russian td line a look then.
So far fav tanks are cromwell for manouverability/speed, kv-1+derp, matilda for rof and bouncey, IS-3 is a decent all rounder , doesnt seem to do anything really well but can fit in whats needed.
May give the russian td line a look then.
So far fav tanks are cromwell for manouverability/speed, kv-1+derp, matilda for rof and bouncey, IS-3 is a decent all rounder , doesnt seem to do anything really well but can fit in whats needed.
The Brit TDs are very quirky indeed. Very slow and ponderous all the way up to the Tortoise with heavy but unreliable armour and very good guns with high dpm. If you don't mind very sluggish vehicles then give them a go.
The American turreted TDs are excellent. They are a bit of a mixed bag though. The T49 and the Hellcat are fast stealthy weak armoured beasts with good guns.
The T25/2 at tier 7 is an oddball that gets a bad press. It isn't actually bad but because it follows on from the overpowered Hellcat it is generally perceived as being bad. It is slower than the Hellcat but fairly well balanced as far as armour, mobility and firepower are concerned.
The tier 8 T28 Prototype is a big departure from the rest of the line. It is a sluggish beast with good frontal armour but vulnerable weak spots. I found it difficult to love because of its very poor mobility.
The Tier 9 American turreted TD is the T30. I am currently grinding this and so far finding it to be a lot of fun. It handles and plays more like a heavy than a TD and feels more like an upgunned T34 than a TD.
As for the tier 10 T110E4. Sadly by all accounts it has been hit far too often by the nerf bat to be considered good.
As for the Russian TD line that ends in the Object 268, this line is strong from the bottom all the way up to the top. I had fun with every single tier, playing them as traditional stealthy snipers. The SU152 and ISU152 will give you endless fun as you derp your unfortunate foes, especially when you get your hands on that BL10 gun.
The Object 704 is rightly feared at tier 9. It has decent armour which can reliably bounce lower tier fire and some tier 9 stuff too and good camo ratings...just don't get flanked. It packs the same BL10 gun that the ISU152 gets but with much better handling.
The Object 268 at Tier 10 is still a good tank despite the recent nerf to its alpha. Some people are complaining that its a shadow of its old self, but I only acquired it very recently and it still feels excellent. Like an Obj 704 on steroids.
The Germans have excellent TDs on both lines. You need to be happy driving glass cannons however which rely on stealth. Some, on the JagdPanzer E100 line, have heavy armour such as the Ferdinand, JagdTiger and the JPzE100 itself but are sluggish and you need to know how to angle and hide your weak points. All have excellent guns.
The Waffentraegers are a recent addition and are all glass cannons...but what cannons. These things are feared at every level and culminate in that ridiculous autoloader at tier 10. Go this line if you want absurdly overpowered guns but be prepared to accept that everyone will want to punch holes in your paper thin armour.
If I had to choose one TD line from those above I would go Russian as it is consistently good at every tier.
The American turreted TDs are excellent. They are a bit of a mixed bag though. The T49 and the Hellcat are fast stealthy weak armoured beasts with good guns.
The T25/2 at tier 7 is an oddball that gets a bad press. It isn't actually bad but because it follows on from the overpowered Hellcat it is generally perceived as being bad. It is slower than the Hellcat but fairly well balanced as far as armour, mobility and firepower are concerned.
The tier 8 T28 Prototype is a big departure from the rest of the line. It is a sluggish beast with good frontal armour but vulnerable weak spots. I found it difficult to love because of its very poor mobility.
The Tier 9 American turreted TD is the T30. I am currently grinding this and so far finding it to be a lot of fun. It handles and plays more like a heavy than a TD and feels more like an upgunned T34 than a TD.
As for the tier 10 T110E4. Sadly by all accounts it has been hit far too often by the nerf bat to be considered good.
As for the Russian TD line that ends in the Object 268, this line is strong from the bottom all the way up to the top. I had fun with every single tier, playing them as traditional stealthy snipers. The SU152 and ISU152 will give you endless fun as you derp your unfortunate foes, especially when you get your hands on that BL10 gun.
The Object 704 is rightly feared at tier 9. It has decent armour which can reliably bounce lower tier fire and some tier 9 stuff too and good camo ratings...just don't get flanked. It packs the same BL10 gun that the ISU152 gets but with much better handling.
The Object 268 at Tier 10 is still a good tank despite the recent nerf to its alpha. Some people are complaining that its a shadow of its old self, but I only acquired it very recently and it still feels excellent. Like an Obj 704 on steroids.
The Germans have excellent TDs on both lines. You need to be happy driving glass cannons however which rely on stealth. Some, on the JagdPanzer E100 line, have heavy armour such as the Ferdinand, JagdTiger and the JPzE100 itself but are sluggish and you need to know how to angle and hide your weak points. All have excellent guns.
The Waffentraegers are a recent addition and are all glass cannons...but what cannons. These things are feared at every level and culminate in that ridiculous autoloader at tier 10. Go this line if you want absurdly overpowered guns but be prepared to accept that everyone will want to punch holes in your paper thin armour.
If I had to choose one TD line from those above I would go Russian as it is consistently good at every tier.
Edited by Alan O'Hagan on Wednesday 9th April 14:41
I've recently purchased a Grille to do the last 30 games as artillery for my "100 matches as artillery" achievement, what a miserable little tank, and even stock vs stock, a much, much worse tank than the St.Pz.II it replaced. It's aim speed, mobility, armour etc is all irrelevant, because the gun is a right old donkey. I know that as a tier V tank I could come up against some much higher tier tanks, but even against tier IV and Vs, the damage output is terrible. It seems to destroy a lot of modules, but the damage inflicted is pathetic - I've seen direct hits score in the 80-100 range for damage over and over, the alpha is supposed to be 350 on this thing! It's such a chore to play that I'm going to buy a G.PZ.MKVI to play in lightning fast, over in 3 minutes low tier games, just to get these artillery matches done. I'll save this Grille for a later date - I'd love to play as some of the super gun tier VII and VIII artilleries, but that will come later in my WOT career, I still need to unlock the Jagdtiger and get to work turning my VK36.01 into a Tiger, to in turn get the Tiger II.
Apparently there is 300 gold available again if you change your password. From posts on the WOT forum this is different to the push they had last year, and people who got the 300 Gold back then are getting it again now. I haven't been able to verify it myself as at work, but worth a punt. Guess it's related to that heartbleed SSL business, but any free gold is welcome 
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Patch 9.0 is alledgedly also next week, there is a countdown on the Russian WOT site which indicates the 14th. Good news as those HD models look tasty, although having just gotten the Cent Mk7 its a pisser they are nerfing it's turret.
Mastodon - I had the same experience with the Grille after the stpz2. Feels like it should do better, although occasionally it does hit for the full amount and then you feel
. It doesn't help that the horizontal gun arc is so narrow, and unfortunately the Hummel is little better in that regard although the gun is more dangerous. On the positive note the tier 7 GW panther is much better.
edit - should add that the 340 alpha damage is only on a penetrating hit. If your HE shell doesn't penetrate but does instead just does splash damage outside the tank then there is a different calculation in play which usually results in a much lower damage. IIRC it is something along the lines of:
the difference in the lowest armour thickness in the splash radius and your penetration value is subtracted from your alpha damage, and then the result is divided by two and that is your damage roll (including the +- 25% RNG factor).
So if you shoot an HE that has 75mm penetration with a 340 alpha, and hit an area where the lowest armour thickness is 150mm, then you won't penetrate. Instead you can expect (340(+-25%)-(150mm-75mm))/2 = anywhere between 90 and 175.
Its probably not exactly that above, but something along those lines. Doesn't help do more damage, but thats what is happening - so best bet is if you have to hit heavily armoured targets try to aim at their weakest areas (usually the rear). The American heavies are very vulnerable to shots landing on their rear half for example - of course that presumes you can get your arty shell to land where you want it, which generally doesn't happen (in fact I am usually lucky just to hit the same map).
. Patch 9.0 is alledgedly also next week, there is a countdown on the Russian WOT site which indicates the 14th. Good news as those HD models look tasty, although having just gotten the Cent Mk7 its a pisser they are nerfing it's turret.
Mastodon - I had the same experience with the Grille after the stpz2. Feels like it should do better, although occasionally it does hit for the full amount and then you feel
. It doesn't help that the horizontal gun arc is so narrow, and unfortunately the Hummel is little better in that regard although the gun is more dangerous. On the positive note the tier 7 GW panther is much better.edit - should add that the 340 alpha damage is only on a penetrating hit. If your HE shell doesn't penetrate but does instead just does splash damage outside the tank then there is a different calculation in play which usually results in a much lower damage. IIRC it is something along the lines of:
the difference in the lowest armour thickness in the splash radius and your penetration value is subtracted from your alpha damage, and then the result is divided by two and that is your damage roll (including the +- 25% RNG factor).
So if you shoot an HE that has 75mm penetration with a 340 alpha, and hit an area where the lowest armour thickness is 150mm, then you won't penetrate. Instead you can expect (340(+-25%)-(150mm-75mm))/2 = anywhere between 90 and 175.
Its probably not exactly that above, but something along those lines. Doesn't help do more damage, but thats what is happening - so best bet is if you have to hit heavily armoured targets try to aim at their weakest areas (usually the rear). The American heavies are very vulnerable to shots landing on their rear half for example - of course that presumes you can get your arty shell to land where you want it, which generally doesn't happen (in fact I am usually lucky just to hit the same map).
Edited by bstb3 on Thursday 10th April 17:21
Had some fun playing this and probably some luck, took me a while to get going but am pretty cautious with the T49 for obvious reasons.
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http://wotreplays.com/site/760895#erlenberg-etx1-t...
Further to the 300 gold for changing your password, there is another 100 gold if you add a phone number to your account too. All has to be done before Patch 9.0 mind. Disclaimer: if you add a phone number and then constantly get pestered by russianbrides-r-us don't blame me (although feel free to point them in my direction 
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TX1 - stuck at work, but will have a look when I get home. T49 is a fun tank for sure.
)TX1 - stuck at work, but will have a look when I get home. T49 is a fun tank for sure.
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