World of Tanks
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bstb3 said:
There seems to be a growing proportion of players who load gold by default now, irrespective of tier or who they are shooting at. It's just too cheap relative to the benefit it brings. If it was made ruinously expensive then it might at least only be used as a last resort. Pretty ridiculous at T2 though yeah - was it a sealclubber using it? If so then just totally lame.
7K woth of games, so I guess it was a seal clubber.Best thing is he died soon after killing me and we won the game
eatcustard said:
7K woth of games, so I guess it was a seal clubber.
Best thing is he died soon after killing me and we won the game
Ah well Karma then Best thing is he died soon after killing me and we won the game
. Thing is, as S2000db mentions above, there are some tanks / guns where using premium ammo is the legitimate choice - especially when up against +2 tiers and so on. It's when its top tiers using guns that already have a decent pen on them, thats when it becomes too much. Especially when its a whole platoon doing it. Ran into 2 hellcats platooned last night, tier 6's in a 4-6 battle, shooting prem at everyone (judging by the complaints). Just overkill, and takes any element of skill out at that point, just becomes about steamrolling teams and thats not fun for me, on either end of the gun.Speaking of Karma I played with my GW Panther arty for the first time in a while last night, first shot long & missed, second shot short & missed. Target T29 says something sarky. Third hits T29 for 1132 HP
. I did a lol in chat. Spent the rest of the night getting shot by Arties. Karma's a pain sometimes.MoleVision said:
s2000db said:
Tbh I run gold ammo in any gun where there's a significant advantage. ( There's a lot where it's pointless imo ).
I never use gold for the ammo, I run a Lowe to generate credits, and I always seem to generate a reasonable income..
Haha, yes a decent game in the Lowe pays for 3 or 4 shots with the FV(183).I never use gold for the ammo, I run a Lowe to generate credits, and I always seem to generate a reasonable income..
I'm finding the Lowe is rolling consistently 360-390 DMG at the moment... Has it has a subtle buff raising the lower end of the damage scale recently?
bstb3 said:
eatcustard said:
7K woth of games, so I guess it was a seal clubber.
Best thing is he died soon after killing me and we won the game
Ah well Karma then Best thing is he died soon after killing me and we won the game
. Thing is, as S2000db mentions above, there are some tanks / guns where using premium ammo is the legitimate choice - especially when up against +2 tiers and so on. It's when its top tiers using guns that already have a decent pen on them, thats when it becomes too much. Especially when its a whole platoon doing it. Ran into 2 hellcats platooned last night, tier 6's in a 4-6 battle, shooting prem at everyone (judging by the complaints). Just overkill, and takes any element of skill out at that point, just becomes about steamrolling teams and thats not fun for me, on either end of the gun.Speaking of Karma I played with my GW Panther arty for the first time in a while last night, first shot long & missed, second shot short & missed. Target T29 says something sarky. Third hits T29 for 1132 HP
. I did a lol in chat. Spent the rest of the night getting shot by Arties. Karma's a pain sometimes.s2000db said:
Arty has been chronically nerfed and is hardly worth playing tbh... Also I don't use xvm, and don't really care if someone is using gold ammo against me, the same game principles apply as always..
Yeah agree on Arty, its just luck these days to a degree. You can use all the pre aiming and map knowledge, target prioritisation etc. etc. and then even a fully aimed shot misses, does a little splash or completely nukes the opponent all at a roll of RNG. Only played it for the double to count towards the Super Pershing, but think will probably not again anytime soon.You are right on the gold too, its best just to play in such a way as not to get shot (or just offer up such angles as even prem ammo is ineffective), then it doesn't matter what they shoot. I seem to spend most of my time in mediums, so armour is pretty ineffective anyhow. It's the poor blighters in the big, slow and heavy tanks I feel sorry for, but their choice.
I have premium loaded on every tank and funnily enough seem to use it mostly on 3,4,5 tier tanks.
I seem to use it most often on my Pz.Kpfw.38 especially when put aginst 4-5 tier tanks, most times make a loss however I find it worthwhile.
Other day set alight a T1 heavy when shot him a couple of times from the rear, could not stop laughing.
Also use premium on Matilda as yet again plenty times am put against higher tier tanks so need to so can have some sort of chance, sometimes I am 50k down after a game.
I seem to use it most often on my Pz.Kpfw.38 especially when put aginst 4-5 tier tanks, most times make a loss however I find it worthwhile.
Other day set alight a T1 heavy when shot him a couple of times from the rear, could not stop laughing.
Also use premium on Matilda as yet again plenty times am put against higher tier tanks so need to so can have some sort of chance, sometimes I am 50k down after a game.
bstb3 said:
s2000db said:
Arty has been chronically nerfed and is hardly worth playing tbh... Also I don't use xvm, and don't really care if someone is using gold ammo against me, the same game principles apply as always..
Yeah agree on Arty, its just luck these days to a degree. You can use all the pre aiming and map knowledge, target prioritisation etc. etc. and then even a fully aimed shot misses, does a little splash or completely nukes the opponent all at a roll of RNG. Only played it for the double to count towards the Super Pershing, but think will probably not again anytime soon.You are right on the gold too, its best just to play in such a way as not to get shot (or just offer up such angles as even prem ammo is ineffective), then it doesn't matter what they shoot. I seem to spend most of my time in mediums, so armour is pretty ineffective anyhow. It's the poor blighters in the big, slow and heavy tanks I feel sorry for, but their choice.
The thing is, I hit everything I aimed at, did some decent damage...and still only got a 3rd class award. Getting a mastery must need about 8 kills....
The only tank that I used Gold exclusively on, was the AT2 - just to get through the grind. I carry it on a few of my tanks at tiers where I am likely to come up against things I can't pen, without being up their exhaust.
The only real issue I have with gold, is with the derp guns. Things like the Hetzer for example. You end up with a T4 tank with a T7 gun. I don't think that there should be a gold option for HEAT rounds, full stop.
Although I do enjoy it when Lowe's complain that people are using gold against them - you're driving a Premium, paid-for, tank FFS - if that isn't cheating, I don't know what is
The only real issue I have with gold, is with the derp guns. Things like the Hetzer for example. You end up with a T4 tank with a T7 gun. I don't think that there should be a gold option for HEAT rounds, full stop.
Although I do enjoy it when Lowe's complain that people are using gold against them - you're driving a Premium, paid-for, tank FFS - if that isn't cheating, I don't know what is
bstb3 said:
s2000db said:
Arty has been chronically nerfed and is hardly worth playing tbh... Also I don't use xvm, and don't really care if someone is using gold ammo against me, the same game principles apply as always..
Yeah agree on Arty, its just luck these days to a degree. You can use all the pre aiming and map knowledge, target prioritisation etc. etc. and then even a fully aimed shot misses, does a little splash or completely nukes the opponent all at a roll of RNG. Only played it for the double to count towards the Super Pershing, but think will probably not again anytime soon.You are right on the gold too, its best just to play in such a way as not to get shot (or just offer up such angles as even prem ammo is ineffective), then it doesn't matter what they shoot. I seem to spend most of my time in mediums, so armour is pretty ineffective anyhow. It's the poor blighters in the big, slow and heavy tanks I feel sorry for, but their choice.
I think arty is actually reasonably balanced from that respect, whether it is fun to play is sadly a different question... and one that I think the answer to is generally 'no'.
MoleVision said:
You have to look at arty in a new light these days. The only representative stat is at the end of the game when you compare damage done to the rest of your team at equivalent tier (As the arty tiers now tie up with all other tiers). Admittedly my recent experience is that you come mid table more often that not and being top few is hard work - mainly due to the issues aiming and then RNG shot landing being totally out of the players control and much less easy to work around. than in a normal tank.
I think arty is actually reasonably balanced from that respect, whether it is fun to play is sadly a different question... and one that I think the answer to is generally 'no'.
Yep - overall damage in a battle probably balanced. From the perspective of the poor bI think arty is actually reasonably balanced from that respect, whether it is fun to play is sadly a different question... and one that I think the answer to is generally 'no'.
d that gets hit by the 1 nuke out of the 6 or 7 shots fired though (including the obligatory 3 misses and 3 splashes 
) its game over. Total damage of 1500 at tier 7 doesn't help the poor bugger in the T29 that accounts for 1,136 of it in one hit 
. Just seems wrong somehow, but still provides those comedy moments that keep us playing.Imagine how dull it would be without the things we love to hate (arty, gold, matchmaking, troll platoons, tk'ers...).
It bugs me that in some games you almost feel obliged to use gold ammo because you know you won't stand a chance of penetrating anything with standard. Sometimes even that isn't good enough. I had a game yesterday in a TD, which are usually equipped with decent guns, but in a battle 2 tiers below the top tanks (again, see my recent post bemoaning how often this happens).
I fired 18 shots, of which 15 were gold rounds. 16 actually hit something, but of those 16, only one did any damage, and that was only a critical, no actual hp damage was done.
I fired 18 shots, of which 15 were gold rounds. 16 actually hit something, but of those 16, only one did any damage, and that was only a critical, no actual hp damage was done.
DIW35 said:
It bugs me that in some games you almost feel obliged to use gold ammo because you know you won't stand a chance of penetrating anything with standard. Sometimes even that isn't good enough. I had a game yesterday in a TD, which are usually equipped with decent guns, but in a battle 2 tiers below the top tanks (again, see my recent post bemoaning how often this happens).
I fired 18 shots, of which 15 were gold rounds. 16 actually hit something, but of those 16, only one did any damage, and that was only a critical, no actual hp damage was done.
It's all a bit BS really. Last night, a WT E100 emptied the clip on the 150mm at me in the AT15. 4 hits out of 4, for a potential 3000 damage. All hit, none penetrated the mantlet. He must have been irked.I fired 18 shots, of which 15 were gold rounds. 16 actually hit something, but of those 16, only one did any damage, and that was only a critical, no actual hp damage was done.
DIW35 said:
It bugs me that in some games you almost feel obliged to use gold ammo because you know you won't stand a chance of penetrating anything with standard. Sometimes even that isn't good enough. I had a game yesterday in a TD, which are usually equipped with decent guns, but in a battle 2 tiers below the top tanks (again, see my recent post bemoaning how often this happens).
I fired 18 shots, of which 15 were gold rounds. 16 actually hit something, but of those 16, only one did any damage, and that was only a critical, no actual hp damage was done.
Tiger 1 bounces more with gold that it does with standard I fired 18 shots, of which 15 were gold rounds. 16 actually hit something, but of those 16, only one did any damage, and that was only a critical, no actual hp damage was done.
I don't use Gold ammo but carry some HE for those occasions when I can't penetrate other tanks, it's surprising how often you can do some serious damage to modules or crew against higher tier tanks.
You get some strange people in this game though. Just had a defend Kerelia one. Some way in to the game and we've still not seen several of thier force, so I went round the edge in my KV1S and found a Churchill parked at their start point,assuming he wasn't in the game I banged a round in to his side and suddenly moved in to cover. Hit him again before one of their TD's showed up as well and the ensuing fray the TD got me from the rear, and the Churchill posts "lol" in chat. By this time there's less than a minute left and he had no hope of getting to the base. So why's he playing if he's just going to sit at thier spawn point and lose the game?
You get some strange people in this game though. Just had a defend Kerelia one. Some way in to the game and we've still not seen several of thier force, so I went round the edge in my KV1S and found a Churchill parked at their start point,assuming he wasn't in the game I banged a round in to his side and suddenly moved in to cover. Hit him again before one of their TD's showed up as well and the ensuing fray the TD got me from the rear, and the Churchill posts "lol" in chat. By this time there's less than a minute left and he had no hope of getting to the base. So why's he playing if he's just going to sit at thier spawn point and lose the game?
Isn't it nice when you discover a nice surprise in a tank. Always though the BDR G1B would be terrible, not sure why but just always thought so. True enough it looks like a bit of a clown tank, but what a hoot. The top gun is a Tier 7, and its pretty mobile for a heavy. Armour is a bit hit and miss (its effective when the enemy miss, pretty poor when they hit) but occasionally throws out an unexpected ding. But when I play it it brings a nice smile - very useful these days. 
bstb3 said:
Isn't it nice when you discover a nice surprise in a tank. Always though the BDR G1B would be terrible, not sure why but just always thought so. True enough it looks like a bit of a clown tank, but what a hoot. The top gun is a Tier 7, and its pretty mobile for a heavy. Armour is a bit hit and miss (its effective when the enemy miss, pretty poor when they hit) but occasionally throws out an unexpected ding. But when I play it it brings a nice smile - very useful these days.
Yeah it’s not a bad tank to be honest, not the best but far from the worst tank in the game. Be wary of Matildas with the long barrel 2pdr (especially side on) as they will tear you apart very quickly due to their RoF. I did find it prone to being tracked (similar to the Churchill) a toolbox and 100% repair on the crew is imho a necessity on the French heavy line as getting stuck in the open = immediate death especially if the other teams arty is on the ball.I am undecided so far on the next tank up (ARL-44) you can (as long as you have the suspension upgrade iirc) load the 90mm from the BDR onto the '44 straight away as it fits in the stock "chicken coup" turret on the ARL-44, which is comedy gold. with 1 second shaved off the firing time
It’s hard to say how good or not the '44 is until its fully upgraded which might take a while as the upgraded engine is 18k XP and the guns (3 of them) are around the same XP requirement.
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