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Jetl3on

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1,403 posts

76 months

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Whilst searching for a new angle on Tower Bridge the other night, came across this lovely setting by a bridge around St. Katherine's docks, very picturesque, barely got the pod out, cam mounted and started snapping before security appeared and told me it was private, I was being monitored and did I have a permit, I cannot use a tripod.
When i asked what is private, he said everything, and flung his arms about. Not wanting to draw attention I packed up and left, but how do you know they are not just saying that, there are no signs, he didn't provide any proof. Its for personal use, so going to the land registry is not viable, what is the general consensus in these situations?

From what I understand I can take a photo of anything providing I am standing on public land, but how do I know its public.

Simpo Two

58,253 posts

145 months

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Can't help specifically but people in reflective jackets do let their egos exceed their brains sometimes.

'How do I get a permit?' might have been a good question.


Where's that great Youtube clip where a guy with a camcorder sets up outside a factory, on a public footpath, and keeps filming depsite all the security dweebs throw at him?

londonagent

634 posts

48 months

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There are a lot of places around London that are private land, the area by More London (just down from City Hall), County Hall / London Eye and Canary Wharf are just a few that spring to mind. I've taken pictures using a tripod at these locations in the past with out being hassled, but I know others that have been moved on. If you do a google search there is quite a lot of discussion and info on it.
Personally if think there will be an issue, I do a quick recce, I get the camera set up on the tripod with the settings dialed in before quickly moving in setting up the shot and moving on before security strike.

2slo

1,811 posts

47 months

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Jetl3on said:
From what I understand I can take a photo of anything providing I am standing on public land, but how do I know its public.
Unless you've crossed some obvious boundry I would turn that around if approached by 'security'. Ask for specifics of ownership and boundries and if there aren't any or in the absence of any satisfactory answer then tell the jobsworth where to get off. They are just members of the public in a second hand uniform.

Jetl3on

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1,403 posts

76 months

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If you lot get me arrested madlaugh

Decided to go back and play hide and seek with security and practice my low light stuff, lovely place, just got back and pleased some didn't come out too bad.






Edited by Jetl3on on Saturday 6th October 22:17


Edited by Jetl3on on Wednesday 17th October 15:38

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Simpo Two

58,253 posts

145 months

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Well done: Tog 2, Jobsworth 1.

NB You inadvertently photographed a Freeman 26!

Jetl3on

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Simpo Two said:
Well done: Tog 2, Jobsworth 1.

NB You inadvertently photographed a Freeman 26!
A what? Google, google, google, ah I see, the Freeman 26 cruiser derived from a 22, this one looks much nicer than the ones on google images. biggrin

Simpo Two

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MysteryLemon

4,095 posts

71 months

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So what was he doing sitting outside golden wonder for then anyway? Apart from causing a nusience for no apparent reason other than because he could...

Simpo Two

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MysteryLemon said:
So what was he doing sitting outside golden wonder for then anyway? Apart from causing a nusience for no apparent reason other than because he could...
Another way of saying that is 'proving a point of law'; and whilst the GW factory with its menopausal old bat has no significance on its own, it's an important point for civil rights. The all-pervasive machine of state is bad enough without paper tigers taking matters into their own hands. It's a kind of vigilantism but for bad reasons.

Guam

19,419 posts

148 months

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MysteryLemon said:
So what was he doing sitting outside golden wonder for then anyway? Apart from causing a nusience for no apparent reason other than because he could...
Irrelevant, he may have any number of reasons. Many of our best historical images are drawn from the archives of long dead anateur photographers and cinematographers. In contemporary terms those images would have seemed boring and pointless. 50-60 years on they provide useful insights into every day life.

Well done that man for standing his ground <time everyone did>!

MysteryLemon

4,095 posts

71 months

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Standing his ground or not. He still made himself look like a tit filming the workers going in to work on a rainy morning.

If I was security I think I would also be a bit curious as to why this weirdo felt the need to film it, then get so defensive when asked not to.

andy-xr

9,275 posts

84 months

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MysteryLemon said:
If I was security I think I would also be a bit curious as to why this weirdo felt the need to film it
That bit I'm OK with

MysteryLemon said:
then get so defensive when asked not to.
It'd be the asking not to for me - I'd like to know why

MysteryLemon

4,095 posts

71 months

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Ok, well fair enough they had no legal right to tell him to stop filming but could have asked him not to. Whether he agreed or not is up to him.

Staying put on the purpose of what only looks to be to wind them up is childish and just makes him look foolish.

Guam

19,419 posts

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MysteryLemon said:
Standing his ground or not. He still made himself look like a tit filming the workers going in to work on a rainy morning.

If I was security I think I would also be a bit curious as to why this weirdo felt the need to film it, then get so defensive when asked not to.
We will have to agree to disagree, the only Tits evident in that were the jobsworths thinking they know the "law".

He is on public land undertaking a lawful activity, I anticipate their security cameras were filming him did they declare that to him?

<They are required to btw if he was on public land and believe an offence may have been commited in order to use it in court>.
As I said photographing and filming industrial scenes is a long standing activity for many "niche" photographers, for all manner of reasons. They made their point at the outset why "harrass" the guy after that?

S47

956 posts

60 months

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Interesting Video. Wonder why the photographer NEVER called Mr Plod, since he was clearly in the right, why did he put up with the Jobsworths at GW security giving him grief???????

checkmate91

485 posts

53 months

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IF you were that close to the water inside the St Katherine's dock area I suspect you were on private land (alongside private water). That area is very picturesque as your pictures show and is populated by masses of office workers and tourists during the week, especially lunchtimes and early evenings for the cafes and bars. I've seen loads of tourists taking snappy snaps without any problem but that's because they're holiday snaps. A guy with gear and kit setting up to take photographs of the boats of the rich and/or famous is a different matter. Personally I'm not surprised you were moved, especially given that their photography policy is in the public domain http://www.skdocks.co.uk/events-filming/

Simpo Two

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S47 said:
Interesting Video. Wonder why the photographer NEVER called Mr Plod, since he was clearly in the right, why did he put up with the Jobsworths at GW security giving him grief???????
Because that was the entire point smile

I agree one would not normally film like that, so perhaps there had been a previous incident either with him or someone else. I suspect he'd checked the law and gone back for the showdown and ultimate humiliation - which the guards brought entirely on themselves most magnificently.

I was trying the think of a job for which they might be suited, but cannot...

mph1977

6,493 posts

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2slo said:
Jetl3on said:
From what I understand I can take a photo of anything providing I am standing on public land, but how do I know its public.
Unless you've crossed some obvious boundry I would turn that around if approached by 'security'. Ask for specifics of ownership and boundries and if there aren't any or in the absence of any satisfactory answer then tell the jobsworth where to get off. They are just members of the public in a second hand uniform.
the problem can be that the boundary is marked solely by Studs in the pavement, especially if a developer promised road and path improvements as part of the scheme ...

blueg33

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104 months

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My private land has signs making it clear that is private. It is diifficult to tell though when planning dictates that a development looks like its part of the public domain.
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